I had no idea that the Crenshaw corridor was to start construction next year. Same with the Foothill extension. Disappointed with the subway to the sea schedule, I thought that would come before the Crenshaw.
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East Light Rail Access (Gold Line) Increases access, including pedestrian and bicycle, to the Gold Line Eastside Light Rail project. Area(s): City of Los Angeles |
^I agree, I think there is the political will and the funding available to get the purple line done in the next decade (as it should be)
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yeah, we'll see what mythical "political will" presents itself to cut subway to westwood's timeline by 17 years. yeah.
other than the connector and expo, the rest of the list is filler with little to no substantive impact on LA's transit culture. this "city" disappoints once again by 2043 or whatever "accelerated" schedule brings us our one trunk subway, the world will have moved on to newer things and LA will remain far behind...with one trunk subway and a bunch of little streetcars to nowhere. and then consider how much time it takes to impact transit culture (developments) - another couple decades after lines open at least...by midcentury we might have the ridership of boston. i'm so excited :rolleyes: you amateur transit planners should do your best to lobby for expanded ada standards if you're going to want to use this pathetic "system". |
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* Current Red/Purple Line * Current Blue Line * Gold Line to Sierra Madre Villa * Current Green Line * Under Construction East LA Gold Line * Under construction Expo Line to Culver City. * Orange Line BRT * Harbor/El Monte BRT * Rapid buses * Current bus network Notice this doesn't include Expo to Santa Monica, or Foothill Gold Line or Green Line to LAX, Crenshaw Corridor. This helps explain the point in the previous post about the Regional Connector. Its cost effectiveness rating for the subway portion was very good as is without the Expo Line to Santa Monica, Foothill Gold Line to Azusa and Crenshaw Corridor. Once those are built and operating the cost-effectiveness of the project improves significantly. Again the moral of the story is Density and Development will be the key to getting Federal New Starts $$$. Density of surrounding areas related to the cost of the transit infrastructure, and Density of the network the extension will connect to when it opens. Quote:
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Is there private development funding in line for key projects and the projected station locations ready to go by the time construction of the subway breaks ground? No, until that is on the table to the FTA, the FTA will treat it as if it doesn't exist or will never exist. That is why the future impacts need to present and at the table with financing in-line and ready to go for such developments. Because then it tells the FTA we are using it for mobility and improving the land-use. That was the key reason why they gave Charlotte funding for their successful LRT starter line. They had their ducks in a row and the FTA saw they were serious. Quote:
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In terms of regional draws, Santa Monica is larger, but what is there to say we won't have a line to Venice beach eventually. We are in the beginnings of our system framework. |
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If the current set of projects aren't scheduled to be completed until 2020 or whatever, and a line to Venice isn't even on the horizon, "eventually" won't even be during my lifetime. I'd hate to go along with edluva, but he's right. It's pretty sad how slow we are chugging along just to catch-up to Europe 50 years ago. |
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I just think it's a bit ridiculous that Wilshire, which single-handedly connects LA's major institutions and attractions, barely meets the cost-effectiveness standard, most likely due to severely underestimated ridership projections. Quote:
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Would it be possible for MTA to issue bonds which would be repaid using Measure R funds to help speed things up? And would that even be advisable?
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Man the timelines are all so depressing. I wish we could go back in time when the city had its mass transit in place. Speaking of which, what is going on with the talk about bringing the electric streamliner cars back to Broadway?
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^ Any date will be depressing because none of the most significant projects are any further than the environmental stage, with a few not even having undergone any studies yet. So, given the set of circumstances, the timeline is very good, dare I say impressive (err, I think I said that already)? The reality is, a decade is considered right around the corner in transit years. I look at where I was ten years ago and it seems like an eternity. Then I remind myself that it's already been three years since Expo broke ground. Three years ago, the Wilshire Subway was nothing but a pipe dream. That is not the case anymore. Take a look at the LRTP map on the first page and you'll see that most of the projects there are Measure R deliverable. Of the six that are not, only two are without an existing ROW. Those two, however, will easily meet the FTA standard because of the connections they'll have.
I'll say once again that passing Measure R was absolutely critical to securing this region's future. We did what we had to do, and we passed it. Now it's a question of how we can accelerate the timelines of these projects even more. Three projects are set to get going next year, and once they do, other projects will enter the picture. For instance, an extension of the Crenshaw Corridor to the Purple Line is on the agenda, which then renders a La Brea extension inevitable. Once we deliver a few of these projects, there will be more will and momentum to pass another transit measure. Lines that were previously considered fantasies will then become serious proposals and they'll find it much easier to pitch their cases to the FTA. Like I said, it's only a start, but it's a huge step forward. Now, if you're in your 30s, then maybe I can empathize with your frustration. |
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What is preventing that from happening? Not a damn thing. Maybe persistent communications with those representatives will get an idea like that moving instead of being a huge void. |
^ I agree; we don't need somebody to consistantly state the obvious, and not follow up with any solutions. It really is getting annoying...it may even border the line of trolling.
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I don't mind taking Transit, be it Bus or Rail. But theres something about trains that makes me like them more.
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And what "solution" are you expecting someone to come up with on these boards to the several-decade-long problem that is transit in LA? I'm curious. Quote:
I don't understand why anything other than pure jubilation over Metro's timeline is met with such hostility. |
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