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NYguy Sep 1, 2017 1:27 AM

Rodrigo JS

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NYguy Sep 10, 2017 2:06 AM

Massive crane was on site today. Things are starting to get interesting here.

yankeesfan1000 Sep 10, 2017 2:56 PM

I can't be the only one who honestly thought that this would never happen.

In somewhat related news, Gateway might actually happen too...

mrnyc Sep 10, 2017 4:39 PM

supposedly trump is on board with gateway:

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/...icle-1.3477367

NYguy Sep 11, 2017 12:26 AM

All of the pieces are coming together.


The crane is up. Looks like there may be another going up.


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NYguy Sep 17, 2017 12:58 AM

SEPTEMBER 16, 2017


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TowerDude Sep 20, 2017 3:47 AM

Would make sense to have one crane on either side of the courtyard ...

mrnyc Sep 20, 2017 2:44 PM

let's be on the lookout for construction twitter/instagram pics inside --

i would like to see what it looks like while they are working with the big cranes up in there. :tup:

NYguy Sep 23, 2017 1:38 AM

Let me just say that that crane now looks extra ominous when it's hanging over 31st Street. Very long.

TowerDude Sep 23, 2017 4:18 AM

When and if they do the Penn South concourses they should make space for the L and 7 trains to be connected to the station as well. Linking those two lines would be a smart idea.

NYguy Oct 1, 2017 2:13 AM

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aquablue Oct 3, 2017 2:31 AM

Modernism can't come close to the warmth and beauty of old beaux-arts, and other styles that offer detail on the façade. That building is a beauty. Just compare it to those glass and steel monoliths behind, no comparison there. No wonder Paris is considered the most beautiful large city in the world. Even though I tend towards the hyper futuristic, sometimes I think the past is actually better.

Kudos to Monyihan for having the foresight to put the station there. Pity he didn't live to see it. On the topic of people not seeing their work complete: I hope ol' Silverstein also gets to see his work finally done. I'm sure he's a good sort and is not the greedy selfish dude that most people make out on here.

manchester united Oct 3, 2017 2:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7903724)
You could consider it an expanded Penn Station, because that's what it will be more or less. But it will be the focal point of Penn Station. The platforms are being extended. The Amtrak and LIRR trains will terminate there, LIRR will also utilize the existing platforms as well as NJ Transit (though Cuomo claims no LIRR passenger will ever have to enter the old Penn Station again).

It's similar in a way to the new LIRR terminal at Grand Central, though that one will have new patforms built underneath existing ones. It will all flow together as one station.

Eventually, when the Hotel Pennsylvania is demolished, we will have a direct connection to the PATH terminal, as well as more subway lines. That will be very similar to the current Fulton Terminal - WTC PATH Station - Brookfield Place continuous pedestrian concourse. It will stretch from 6th Ave & Broadway all the way to 9th Avenue and the Hudson Yards.

Therefore the LIRR could have 2 stops in the same station? One stop at old Penn Station and the other stop at new Moynhian Station?
The Path connection will be through the Hilton corridor?

NYguy Oct 3, 2017 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by manchester united (Post 7940506)
Therefore the LIRR could have 2 stops in the same station? One stop at old Penn Station and the other stop at new Moynhian Station?
The Path connection will be through the Hilton corridor?

I don't understand the confusion about the "stops". There are multiple tracks at Penn Station. On any given day, the trains stop on multiple tracks. Nothing will change.

But the corridor that will connect Penn to the Path was supposed to be reopened with the demolition of Penn Station and construction of 15 Penn.

http://nypost.com/2010/11/28/remembe...imbels-tunnel/

NYguy Oct 5, 2017 2:26 AM

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NYguy Oct 16, 2017 3:22 PM

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Barney Greengrass Oct 28, 2017 5:35 AM

So excited to see this moving forward, really interested to see what restorations will take place on the historic facades just as much as all the new additions.

NYguy Oct 31, 2017 6:02 PM

https://therealdeal.com/2017/10/31/v...ypass-surgery/


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Vornado and Related Companies’ redevelopment of the Moynihan Train Hall is a part of New York City’s pitch to Amazon to host its planned second headquarters, but Roth acknowledged that he doesn’t know what the Big Apple’s odds are. “I don’t think we’ve ever seen anything like this,” he said, referring to Amazon’s selection process. “We have brother fighting against brother out there.”

Submariner Oct 31, 2017 7:02 PM

The city needs to demo Penn and rebuild if it's really committed to improving rail...

NYguy Oct 31, 2017 7:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Submariner (Post 7971535)
The city needs to demo Penn and rebuild if it's really committed to improving rail...


More important than that is getting those new hudson river tunnels built. Other than that, this new station goes a long way towards what a completely rebuilt Penn would. Sadly, the kind of grand construction of the original wouldn't happen today. What you would get is what we are in fact getting now. The problem is the original never should have been destroyed.

Submariner Oct 31, 2017 10:15 PM

We can only hope that the special permits are allowed to expire...

NOPA Nov 2, 2017 12:32 AM

I hope there is a rezoning effort around MSG similar to Midtown East. Not that we need the space at the moment, but given how long they take nows the time to start planning.

TowerDude Nov 2, 2017 3:52 AM

The buildings just south of the current MSG/Penn/Moynhian complex should also be bought up to truly expand the capacity of the station.

LMich Nov 2, 2017 6:07 AM

NYguy illustratred as much of the previous page with the posting of future plans for high-speed rail.

10023 Nov 2, 2017 11:09 AM

Looks fine. An improvement anyway. It's no grand Victorian railway station of course.

What really needs to happen now is the complete redevelopment of the whole block that MSG sits on, but that will probably never happen.

C. Nov 2, 2017 3:04 PM

NYGuy, very cool photos of the interior construction progress!

mrnyc Nov 2, 2017 5:10 PM

how would a new station ever be a grand victorian era station? completely absurd.

CCs77 Nov 3, 2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7971603)
More important than that is getting those new hudson river tunnels built. Other than that, this new station goes a long way towards what a completely rebuilt Penn would. Sadly, the kind of grand construction of the original wouldn't happen today. What you would get is what we are in fact getting now. The problem is the original never should have been destroyed.

Yeah, as I understand, restoring the old station won't do much for improving operational capacity. As far as I know, the current station is basically the same as the old, as the tracks and platforms are the same. What get lost with the old station was the comfort and convenience of the larger waiting rooms and halls; and of course, the grandiosity and beauty of it. Some people advocate to stop using it as a terminal and let trains continue to NJ or Long Island, so they don't need to ocuppy so many tracks.


Anyway, here's a panorama of the station as it was in 1910, just inaugurated Pretty interesting vista, as you not only see the station, but the old Post Office and the then much more modest skyline of Midtown Manhattan (nevertheless, by that time, it must have been pretty impressive) with the tallest tower being the Times Building.

In this link you can get that panorama at a VERY high resolution, along with many other spectacular panoramas and maps of old New York in high resolution.

http://minimalgoods.co/free-download...ork-city-maps/

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NYguy Nov 21, 2017 5:31 PM

Video Link

NYguy Dec 6, 2017 3:25 AM

Station walk-thru...

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NYguy Dec 8, 2017 1:10 AM

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NYguy Mar 9, 2018 2:38 AM

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10023 Mar 9, 2018 8:52 AM

I lost track of this thread. Can someone please explain, link to 1) what the final approved plans are for this; and 2) what’s being done in “phase 1” (or are they going ahead with the whole project at once)?

TonyNYC Mar 9, 2018 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 8113664)
I lost track of this thread. Can someone please explain, link to 1) what the final approved plans are for this; and 2) what’s being done in “phase 1” (or are they going ahead with the whole project at once)?


Phase one is completed and opened already.. Penn Station west end concourse is now connected to the Farley Building.

Phase two has started and is in progress.. to be completed by 2020.. here's a link from Curbed NY with the details and some photos.

https://ny.curbed.com/2017/6/16/1582...-redevelopment

jsbrook Mar 11, 2018 10:11 AM

What's the latest news/expectations re Madison Square Garden? Is its permit expected to be renewed after it runs in 2023?

NYguy Mar 24, 2018 2:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsbrook (Post 8115857)
What's the latest news/expectations re Madison Square Garden? Is its permit expected to be renewed after it runs in 2023?

I believe it's still in limbo. Something I missed...

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/catego...w-york-knicks/

Quote:

New York Rangers to play home game as road team to protect $50m-a-year tax dodge

Posted on May 11, 2017

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Meanwhile, the "new" New York is taking shape.


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NYguy Mar 26, 2018 4:46 AM

Over the weekend...


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Dan Highton Photography

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NYguy Apr 2, 2018 1:44 PM

https://therealdeal.com/2018/04/02/v...redevelopment/

Vornado, Related target life-sciences tenants for Farley Post Office redevelopment
Joint venture is looking to tap into high-growth sector



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April 02, 2018


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Vornado Realty Trust and the Related Companies are targeting biotechnology and pharmaceutical tenants for their redevelopment of the Farley Post Office Building.

The joint venture hired a broker from Boston, which has a more mature life-sciences industry, to develop a marketing strategy to attract such tenants to the 900,000-square-foot office-and-retail project, the Wall Street Journal reported.

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...while New York has long had first-rate medical and research institutions, limited lab space has made it difficult to retain life-science startups.

The high cost of building upgrades and zoning requirements have left the city with just 2.8 million square feet of rentable lab space, compared to 16.2 million square feet in New Jersey and 26.8 million square feet in the greater Boston area, according to JLL.

More on the city's efforts in regards to that...

http://rew-online.com/2018/03/29/lif...g-island-city/

NYguy Apr 2, 2018 1:50 PM

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JACKinBeantown Apr 4, 2018 1:47 AM

This may possibly be the greatest single improvement in New York City's history... the crappy current Penn Station turning into a modern take of a classic train station.

yankeesfan1000 Apr 27, 2018 1:44 PM

Great update by baronson on YIMBY + credit to c.lilianmarlen 1 on Instagram. I know this does nothing to solve Penn's actual track capacity issues, but I still can't believe this project is actually happening :

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NYguy May 7, 2018 4:58 PM

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Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000 (Post 8169644)
I know this does nothing to solve Penn's actual track capacity issues, but I still can't believe this project is actually happening


One thing at a time. This will GREATLY enhance the circulation, flow, and feel of Penn Staion - taking it from the current dump to something the City and passengers can be prouder of. Getting that rail tunnel built is a must, and will enhance the capacity issues. Both have to be done, but better capacity aside, visibility and access goes a long way.



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jamesinclair May 14, 2018 7:31 PM

Still shaking my head at the missed opportunity to integrate the long distance bus carriers

NYguy Jun 1, 2018 3:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jamesinclair (Post 8187638)
Still shaking my head at the missed opportunity to integrate the long distance bus carriers

^ The bus station itself would need to be as large as Penn Station. There are current issues with trying to expand the Port Authority bus terminal alone. Not to mention you don't need more buses crowding the streets around Penn Station.



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MTA, Amtrak at Odds Over Penn Station Reno

May 31, 2018


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Both New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority and state officials recently accused Amtrak of planning to redevelop sections of Penn Station without input from other parties. A spokesperson for Amtrak expressed confusion over the accusation, as discussions over Penn Station’s future had recently taken place.

MTA President Patrick Foye and Empire State Development Corporation president Howard Zemsky said in a joint statement that they had learned of Amtrak’s plan to entrust a private party with the development of the station.

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That, they said, would go against plans to transform Penn Station.

“Despite New York State’s mobilization toward this goal, and its leadership in delivering a new home for Amtrak in Moynihan Station, Amtrak has conveyed its intent to unilaterally entrust the future of Penn Station to a private developer rather than engage in a thoughtful, collaborative planning process," the joint statement continued.

Amtrak spokesperson Christina Leeds expressed Amtrak’s confusion regarding the matter, citing that the company had recently met with ESD, Long Island Rail Road and MTA staff to collaborate on ways to improve the station, which includes “seeking a world-class facilities operator for our concourse."

At the end of 2020, after Amtrak moves to Moynihan Station, the company will leave 50,000 square feet of its 260,000 square feet of space at Penn Station, which will open Penn for redevelopment. Amtrak still owns the station, but leases sections to LIRR and NJ Transit.

As part of a move to increase station cleanliness and efficiency, Amtrak plans to hire a private property manager to operate the company’s concourse in Penn. It is not yet clear if the manager will oversee the other company spaces.

“First and foremost, we want to make the station focused on travelers still,” said Amtrak official Janet Campbell-Lorenc, who is also managing the station overhaul. "It’s still about rail travel and helping customers through the building. But we also want to generate revenue.”

New York state is working on its own planning process, however—MTA and Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo have expressed interest in using the free room to spread out customers from LIRR’s cramped space.

NYguy Jun 23, 2018 4:55 AM

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Barney Greengrass Jun 24, 2018 5:49 AM

Went in the new entrance today, so snazzy underground I forgot to take pics! These will have to do:

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Directly to the right of me taking this photo was a bum taking a dump on the sidewalk, so not everything is new!

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NYguy Jun 27, 2018 7:55 PM

^ There was a woman living on the opposite corner until they finally decided there was too much stuff there.



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aquablue Jun 28, 2018 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 7973893)
how would a new station ever be a grand victorian era station? completely absurd.

Agree. Tell this Londoner to stop trolling the threads of the World's Capital. London-centric nonsense. A Victorian station in 2018. Don't make me laugh mate.

Kumdogmillionaire Jun 28, 2018 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by aquablue (Post 8236376)
Agree. Tell this Londoner to stop trolling the threads of the World's Capital. London-centric nonsense. A Victorian station in 2018. Don't make me laugh mate.

Yeah, 10021 is easily the worst poster on SSP. His nonstop boner for all things London has all but ruined several threads for Chicagoans as well. He's so obnoxious and snobby. I'm happy he left our country

NYguy Sep 6, 2018 11:35 PM

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