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Beaudry Aug 26, 2017 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7903256)
The size isn't great, but here's a view from 1927 (which I've enlarged).

Northwest corner of where 6th Street intersects Flower Street. Seen are businesses, billboards, and a glimpse of Hotel Ryan and the Jonathan Club (upper left).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6thFlower1.jpg
LAPL

Brilliant! Yes! I don't know why my search wasn't finding it. Sometimes searches just hiccup. I'm told it's because Mercury is in retrograde.

Great stuff about the Deauville City Club! That gets added into the story too...

The panorama that FW posted, the "T" shaped building is the back end of the Ryan, 815 W 6th.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4340/...3bb45def_b.jpgusc

The Ryan (by Arthur "The Man Who Invented the Motel" Heineman, 1914) became the Travelers—
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4410/...095348c5_o.pngmy slide

and it's the building that's demolished in late '52

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4336/...4e8c7178_o.png

for the annex by AC Martin & Assoc, built in 1954.



http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5089/...84dd6d97_o.jpgusc

Thanks again all! If you wanna come out to hear more than you'd ever wanna know about the RB, here's where I'll be Sunday— http://www.lavatransforms.org/event/salon-817/ — it's free! It's fun!

ethereal_reality Aug 26, 2017 3:02 AM

:previous: I would be there Nathan if I wasn't so damn far away.
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Thanks for your help deciphering the faded writing on the billboard Hoss and GW.
I had no idea a Deauville City Club was planned for that corner. Interesting discovery guys.



I found this intriguing snapshot in an old file of mine today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/0s8Jmj.jpg
ebay

It was labeled "Western Avenue and Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood, Floyd Clymer Estate"





The only Floyd Clymer I could find online was a motorcycling enthusiast.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...924/qvZeGW.jpg

He died in Los Angeles on Jan. 22, 1970

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ethereal_reality Aug 26, 2017 3:04 AM

Oh I almost forgot, I'm also curious about the rather elegant trolley stop across the street.

At first glance I thought it was the actual trolley!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/NfNJ2i.jpgdetail

The design with the four pillars faintly rings a bell.

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Beaudry Aug 26, 2017 3:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7903997)
:previous: I would be there Nathan if I wasn't so damn far away.
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Thanks for your help deciphering the faded writing on the billboard Hoss and GW.
I had no idea a Deauville City Club was planned for that corner. Interesting discovery guys.






I found this intriguing snapshot in an old file of mine today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/0s8Jmj.jpg
ebay

It was labeled "Western Avenue and Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood, Floyd Clymer Estate"








The only Floyd Clymer I could find online was a motorcycling enthusiast.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...924/qvZeGW.jpg

He died in Los Angeles on Jan. 22, 1970

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Sorry we'll miss ya!

As to the Floyd Clymer estate, I believe that image came from the estate of FC; he famously had thousands of photos and pieces of automobilia—sales literature, etc.—that he used in publishing his books. Stuff often comes up as "From the Collection of Floyd Clymer" or, relatedly, Floyd Clymer Estate. A throwback to the days when you actually had to own and horde stuff instead of fetching it off the internet! (Uh, not that some of us don't own and horde stuff anyway...)

GaylordWilshire Aug 26, 2017 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7903856)
Anybody put a name on this beautiful building in the background?

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4441/...6b6ded1a_b.jpgChristmas decoration, Hollywood Boulevard, 1930


Kind of a spare image (in a good way). I feel as though I should recognize that beautiful building back there. Hoping to find out.



The zigzag building is still at the nec of Hollywood & McCadden--though greatly altered from its beginnings as Deco veneer on the original brick structure. Note the doorway just to the right of the streetlamp's shadow on Robertson's department store at the nwc (later Penney's)--the door is part of the original building, still in its brick to the rear of the zigzag boulevard end. In 1929 the owner hired Morgan Wall & Clements to partially update his building in Deco, from the doorway south & around the corner. We've seen it and the Robertson's building on NLA before....


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cj...g=w905-h648-no


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/W8...Q=w866-h585-no

MichaelRyerson Aug 26, 2017 2:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7904102)
The zigzag building is still at the nec of Hollywood & McCadden--though greatly altered from its beginnings as Deco veneer on the original brick structure. Note the doorway just to the right of the streetlamp's shadow on Robertson's department store at the nwc (later Penney's)--the door is part of the original building, still in its brick to the rear of the zigzag boulevard end. In 1929 the owner hired Morgan Wall & Clements to partially update his building in Deco, from the doorway south & around the corner. We've seen it and the Robertson's building on NLA before....


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cj...g=w905-h648-no


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/W8...Q=w866-h585-no


Thanks GW. Nice to know it's survived albeit without much of the beautiful deco detailing. Out front it looks like they thought the better of stripping it all away. Also looks like this guy on the left is a survivor, unless I miss my guess. I see the Christie over there on the south side of the boulevard. Thanks again.

Tourmaline Aug 26, 2017 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7903997)

I found this intriguing snapshot in an old file of mine today.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/0s8Jmj.jpg
ebay

It was labeled "Western Avenue and Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood, Floyd Clymer Estate" The only Floyd Clymer I could find online was a motorcycling enthusiast. He died in Los Angeles on Jan. 22, 1970


Reference to Floyd Clymer may be new to NLA, but we've seen the:previous: image before. ;) http://laist.com/attachments/la_opel...3bcdacc0_o.jpg

I agree with Beaudry that the image is connected with Floyd because it was part of his collection. This includes materials accumulated for his prolific "scrapbook" series. Now, many of his paperback publications are probably, in and of themselves, collectible.

https://www.mallorybooks.com/pictures/medium/22273.jpghttps://www.mallorybooks.com/pictures/medium/22273.jpg


Floyd hailed from the Midwest and as a child garnered press attention for being adventurous. He became an auto and motorcycle dealer in Colorado before moving to LA. There is a 1936-residential listing for Floyd and his wife, Merle, at 101 S Kenmore Avenue, a 1925-apartment building that still exists. There is also a 1936-listing for both Clymers at 434 W Pico labeled "motorcycles." The ~100+year old structure at that location is also extant and it would be interesting to see a photo of the structure depicting Clymer's motorcycle business.

Clymer was a well known author/publisher regarding motorcycles and automobiles, and repair manuals for both. Some of his publications provided the only practical reference materials for relatively obscure foreign cars and motorcycles. His publishing business was listed as 1268 S. Alvarado and he eventually settled near LA High School at 1125 Keniston Ave. His name was also attached to the Indian Motorcycle name and sales of Indian-badged bikes (222 N. Virgil Ave.)


1910 Seattle Times
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/407784.jpghttp://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/407784.jpg

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/407785.jpghttp://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/407785.jpg




Floyd with a Metropolitan (Nash/American Motors/Austin)
http://www.metropolitan-library.com/...Clymer_Met.jpghttp://www.metropolitan-library.com/...Clymer_Met.jpg



https://pictures.abebooks.com/BOOKHO...0479658128.jpghttps://pictures.abebooks.com/BOOKHO...0479658128.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...aa24d060de.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...aa24d060de.jpg


1953 Motorama Exhibitors (Stop by Sonny's Muffler Shop and say :hi: )
http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/w.../2010/06/2.jpghttp://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/w.../2010/06/2.jpg


http://www.autolit.com/Store/images/D/MW/mw2198-d.jpghttp://www.autolit.com/Store/images/D/MW/mw2198-d.jpg


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fACuFZtetL...+mini+1970.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fACuFZtetL...+mini+1970.jpg


https://www.bikernet.com/docs/storie...Indian-3-2.jpghttps://www.bikernet.com/docs/storie...Indian-3-2.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZI_CtGFbuY...tor+Advert.jpghttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZI_CtGFbuY...tor+Advert.jpg

BillinGlendaleCA Aug 27, 2017 9:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7903895)
Thanks again all! If you wanna come out to hear more than you'd ever wanna know about the RB, here's where I'll be Sunday— http://www.lavatransforms.org/event/salon-817/ — it's free! It's fun!

I'd be there but for a photoshoot in Pasadena. I've been seeing the addition of the glass at the top of the old ARCO tower(I still call it that because I'm a former ARCO drone) and have been wondering what they were thinking(they obviously weren't). A sky-bridge between the towers, that's crazy talk!

GaylordWilshire Aug 27, 2017 1:54 PM

More Floyd Clymer...including his noirish pre-LA life


Along with what I saw on TV and in the movies, Floyd Clymer is responsible for for my fascination with Los Angeles... seeing him turn up in recent posts got me to dig out my collection of Clymer publications--I have at least 20 different pieces I bought in the '60s and '70s, basically untouched. I remember seeing two of his houses pictured in them-- including the house he bought ca 1938 at 1125 Keniston Avenue and his next, bought ca 1964, at 301 N Las Palmas in Hancock Park. Years ago I looked for these houses and drove by them...in part beginning my interest in LA neighborhoods and domestic architecture.

Anyway... I've done a little more digging and lo & behold I find that Mr. Clymer was not exactly the Ward Cleaver figure I'd imagined. Not that he didn't make good--no question about that--but it turns out that he had quite an interesting life before arriving in LA around 1932 (first living in Silver Lake, then in the apartment house on Kenmore mentioned by Tourmaline). He appears to have been married at age 16...a son arrived 7 months later...there was a divorce and then a second marriage in 1925. THEN... the 1930 Federal census lists him as an inmate at Leavenworth. No, no, not MY Floyd Clymer, I thought, but the inmate's age, birthplace (Indiana) and birthplace of the inmate's parents are consistent...I haven't looked to see if I could find any reports of why he wound up in the slammer. The many good years began once he was sprung and got to LA.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RO...w=w626-h394-no

A few titles from my collection



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LD...w=w474-h357-no

As seen in his book on his road test of the 1949 Ford, Clymer's house at 1125 Keniston Avenue, where he lived ca 1938-64. It was built in 1924 by developer A D Van Vranken; The Clymers appear to have done nothing in terms of alterations or major improvements in their 26 or so years in the house (i.e., no building permits seem to have been issued to them, in fact, none from 1924 to 1988).


The house today:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Or...g=w736-h590-noGSV



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/E8...w=w375-h316-no


As seen in his book on the 1964 Mercury, Clymer's Hancock Park house (built 1925)--still there, but the hedge is now a green wall...
(I guess it's an Air B&B now)


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/u_...Q=w857-h648-noGSV



The Clymer publishing operation was at 222 N Virgil in the '60s...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/H1...w=w800-h572-noGSV



PS Re his prison time-- apparently it was for some business scam involving the misuse of the mail that Clymer wound up in prison for 15 months. He became editor of Leavenworth's Jailhouse News, which led to his combining his interest in cars with publishing. He is described equivocatingly by Joe Scalzo in
Grand National: America's Golden Age of Motorcycle Racing this way: "Shamelessly ballyhooing his own name was old Floyd's thing, and self-aggrandizement his life's work. He was a publicity hound, sometimes a preposterous one, but always a likable one. Automobiles were his passion."

Tourmaline Aug 27, 2017 10:03 PM

:previous: Thanks for the followup.


Quote:

That Model T book is semi-autobiographical: Clymer described selling Reos, Maxwells and Cadillacs at age 11 from a dealership located in his father's medical office, closing a claimed 26 sales in two years. He also related a 1907 meeting with Henry Ford that occurred in Denver, and being praised as America's youngest car dealer by Teddy Roosevelt. https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hc...r/3692691.html

Quote:

Motorcycle racing was Clymer's path into his true life's work, publishing. Clymer rode the wild road on both two and four wheels with nerve and grit. He spent some time in a federal prison during the 1920s rather than admit guilt in a mail-fraud plea that would have meant no incarceration. He moved to Los Angeles following his release to sell, and race-tune, Indian motorcycles. He also established a huge mail-order parts business for both cars and motorcycles. At the same time, he started collecting things: automotive ads, old factory publicity photos, cartoons, production figures. Clymer could also count on publicity help from Hollywood in consideration for his readiness to loan them Indian cycles for movie shoots. Circa 1940, this was a very big deal. https://www.hemmings.com/magazine/hc...r/3692691.html

https://assets.hemmings.com/story_im...50-0.jpg?rev=2https://assets.hemmings.com/story_im...50-0.jpg?rev=2

ethereal_reality Aug 28, 2017 4:44 PM

Thanks guys for the follow-ups on Floyd Clymer. I had no idea he was responsible for all that motorcycle literature.
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I can't recall if we've seen this photograph. It shows Western Avenue and Santa Monica Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/sqtXwS.jpg
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...5)_Page_2.html

"View of Western Avenue south of Sunset Boulevard in 1905. The large house seen in the background belonged to the Hampton family.
Four children, two boys and two girls, stand along the road (Western Avenue) posing for the camera with Mt. Hollywood seen in the background."


:previous: I just realized this description differs from what I read elsewhere. -others say Western Ave. & Santa Monica Blvd. :shrug:



As a reminder, the snapshot from the Floyd Clymer estate was also taken at Santa Monica Blvd. and Western Avenue.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/YpRdj2.jpg

She's proud of those flowering plants...any idea what they are odinthor?

& I wonder what the sign in her yard says (facing the street) -did you all see the dog?
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ethereal_reality Aug 28, 2017 7:16 PM

once more..
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/L93tN0.jpgJune 6, 1944
Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug
I believe those are fake houses on the roof of the factory....''camouflage".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downtownkid (Post 7901974)
If that's the long beach plant there is no hill there. It would be camouflage. There were nets place over aircraft plants in Los Angeles during the war with fake houses on top of them.

YouTube on the camouflage on Lockheed's plant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgFJKtznKMo

Thanks CBD & Downtownkid.

I knew the Lockheed plant in Burbank had camouflage but wasn't aware of camouflage at the Douglas plant in Santa Monica.

Here are some pics I recently rounded up of the camouflage over the Douglas Aircraft Co. in Santa Monica.

#1
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/0WWCUa.jpg

"Fake houses and streets covered the roofs of the Douglas Aircraft plant at Santa Monica Airport during the war.
A-20 Havocs line the ramp and there are anti-aircraft balloons floating in the distance.'






They did a good job.

#2
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/ZVPIJG.jpg









and from underneath.

#3
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/zNqbSu.jpg






#4
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/3RWQCC.png







This one's a bit confusing. (well, it's called camouflage for a reason ;))

#5
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/KeBb2a.jpg






just like suburbia. (i like the stairs)

#6
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/Ioh5xk.jpg




But I didn't spot my 'Tyrolean' house from the D-Day photo.

:(
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/Ly7IQf.jpg


All camouflage photographs from HERE


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ethereal_reality Aug 28, 2017 7:35 PM

Here's another one I just found.


"Workers maintain camouflage at the Douglas aircraft factory, circa 1942."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/mumVve.jpg
https://www.kcet.org/shows/artbound/...d-contestation

The water hose in the foreground makes me wonder if some of the trees were real. (does anyone know if they used real trees?)


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CityBoyDoug Aug 28, 2017 7:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7905664)
Here's another one I just found.


"Workers maintain camouflage at the Douglas aircraft factory, circa 1942."



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Its hard to believe now but after the Pearl Harbor sneak attack, people were terrified and thought that Los Angeles was next to be bombed by Japan.

Back in those days there were no overflights or spy satellites and so the military had no idea what was next.

Those were very different times.

Flyingwedge Aug 28, 2017 11:08 PM

2601 and 2619 S. Figueroa, c. 1894
 
Here's the 1894 Sanborn Map, with Adams Blvd. at the top and Figueroa St. on the right:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original

Proquest via LAPL


2601 Figueroa is on the right, and 2619 is on the left:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original

UCLA/Islandora


It looks like the top of 2619's dome/turret is dented. Do you know how that happened, GW?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original

Downtownkid Aug 28, 2017 11:24 PM

Castelar Elementary School again. I checked on the aerial view of the school building from 1972, It was still standing then, I sketched the roof and notice I got the view of the building facing west instead of as posted facing east. small error but I like to get things right.
https://preview.ibb.co/j0anHQ/castel..._footprint.jpg

https://preview.ibb.co/huFdmk/Castel...os_Angeles.jpg

ethereal_reality Aug 29, 2017 12:53 AM

Maybe the chimney collapsed? :shrug:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7905898)
It looks like the top of 2619's dome/turret is dented. Do you know how that happened, GW?

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original





In this photo you can see there's another chimney on the other side of the house.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/RpYYug.jpg
lapl

But I think the law of physics is against my idea :(,
the chimney bricks would have had to take a flying leap to land on the top of that dome.


http://imageshack.com/a/img922/8685/Vs6GXS.gif


By the way, good eye FW. I don't think I would have noticed the dent.
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ethereal_reality Aug 29, 2017 1:16 AM

Before I call it a night, here's another image of 2619 S. Figueroa taken in 1893. -might be a repeat.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/tCKVLQ.jpg
homestead museum-city of industry via http://oldhomesoflosangeles.blogspot...-figueroa.html [Bradford Calson]

I was going to say the photograph was taken after a nice rain, but the water might be running from the front yard.

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Flyingwedge Aug 29, 2017 4:18 AM

This house is currently unidentified
 
:previous:

Thanks for the extra photos of 2619 Fig, e_r.

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The only location information for this c. 1923-24 photo is somewhere in Los Angeles County. Does anyone recognize this
house, which seems to be on a corner? At the left base of the upper set of stairs is a small sign that might have the house
number, but I can't read it:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...a.jpg~original

487575 at Huntington Digital Library

GaylordWilshire Aug 29, 2017 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7905898)
Here's the 1894 Sanborn Map, with Adams Blvd. at the top and Figueroa St. on the right:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zw...Q=w600-h410-no

Proquest via LAPL


2601 Figueroa is on the right, and 2619 is on the left:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Rk...A=w600-h361-no

UCLA/Islandora


It looks like the top of 2619's dome/turret is dented. Do you know how that happened, GW?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mI...w=w600-h434-no


I've seen that pic before, but never noticed the "dent"--although I think it's really just shadow.... Btw, 2601 S Figueroa was turned 90° and pushed back on its lot to become to 630 W Adams by Stephen Dorsey when acquired 2619 and then expanded his holdings to the corner (which is why I include 2619 as an Adams Boulevard house, which I count as any house with blvd frontage, even if addressed on a side street). The Auto Club bought Dorsey's property in 1920, was issued a demo permit for 2619 in November of that year and one for 630 W Adams--née 2601 S Fig--in November 1922.

More here.


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