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pilsenarch May 27, 2017 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7816726)
This. Eloquently stated. Including Ned B's comment. The selection was about developers and economics, with designs being placeholders. Keep in mind architecture firms are willing to spend only so much time when donating proposals for free, especially when the "jury" isn't even going to be judging on design.

People need to inhale some burgers and beers over the Memorial Day weekend and forget about this for several months, until real designs come out. The thread could even be locked for a while, except that discussion of the massing and overall program and other things is legitimate (though as someone said, the new transit center will be kept).

There is never an excuse for bad design.

You might *hope* that the current designs are only 'placeholders', but there does not appear to be any basis to assume this...

Regardless, the worst part of this scheme, the suburban towers sprouting atop the waiting room, appear to have the 'Landmarks' department influence all over it... those frustrated architects love to do everything they can to 'blend' everything in... anything that tries to enhance the historical context by contrasting with it immediately gets shot down...

Clarkkent2420 May 27, 2017 4:15 PM

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denizen467 May 27, 2017 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pilsenarch (Post 7816868)
You might *hope* that the current designs are only 'placeholders', but there does not appear to be any basis to assume this...

Generally. But not in this case, in which it happens I have factual basis, though unfortunately one I am prevented from elaborating on.

emathias May 27, 2017 5:47 PM

It'd be interesting to see a gigantic onion dome planted on top of Union Station, with the top portion being gathering glass to full illuminate the Great Hall, but with the bulk of the onion being usable space. Absurdist? Quite possibly. But pretty dramatic, to be sure!

The Pimp May 28, 2017 4:02 AM

Wow! This really sucks.

ardecila May 30, 2017 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7816726)
This. Eloquently stated. Including Ned B's comment. The selection was about developers and economics, with designs being placeholders. Keep in mind architecture firms are willing to spend only so much time when donating proposals for free, especially when the "jury" isn't even going to be judging on design.

People need to inhale some burgers and beers over the Memorial Day weekend and forget about this for several months, until real designs come out. The thread could even be locked for a while, except that discussion of the massing and overall program and other things is legitimate (though as someone said, the new transit center will be kept).

As much as I like the aesthetic and the detailing of the transit center, the urban design sucks. It's a huge swath of concrete at one of the city's most bustling intersections. It offers no landscaping, no retail, and almost nothing else to engage pedestrians. From the neighborhood standpoint, it's about as engaging as a Jewel parking lot. Is it better than the parking lot it replaced? Sure. Is it ideal? Hell no.

It would be a breath of fresh air if they built something like that at Woodfield Mall (and Canadian/European cities DO build similar stuff in their suburbs) but in the heart of the city it just seems inappropriate, so I always hoped and kinda expected it to be temporary.

As for the "millions" spent building it - a big chunk of that was spent on underground construction to build the Pedway connection, which will continue to be useful even after the block is redeveloped.

The Goettsch proposal as shown leaves a lot to be desired, but I like that they plan to do away with the transit center and wrap the bus loading into a building podium that is at least semi-urban, with tighter curb cuts, plenty of retail and a green wall/plaza-ramp.

BVictor1 May 30, 2017 5:05 PM

Chicagoarchitecture.org

https://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/...3-658x1000.jpg

Notyrview May 30, 2017 5:20 PM

lawl 'concept'

LouisVanDerWright May 30, 2017 6:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Notyrview (Post 7819531)
lawl 'concept'

Clearly it's a concept, the text clearly states that the transit center will remain while all of the "renderings" show a huge office tower in it's place. Both cannot be accurate.

10023 May 30, 2017 7:26 PM

Someone call Norman Foster, or anyone that knows how to contextualize contemporary architecture with older landmarks.

Mr Downtown May 30, 2017 7:26 PM

In its place—or atop the transit center, as often is seen in other cities around the globe?

emathias May 30, 2017 8:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 7819648)
Clearly it's a concept, the text clearly states that the transit center will remain while all of the "renderings" show a huge office tower in it's place. Both cannot be accurate.

It appears to be in the base, maybe even slightly below grade. But I agree, it's definitely not very visible what their concept for it actually is.

ChickeNES Sep 9, 2017 7:24 AM

Is it possible they go bigger here if Amazon selects the Post Office for HQ2?

Ned.B Sep 9, 2017 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ChickeNES (Post 7916756)
Is it possible they go bigger here if Amazon selects the Post Office for HQ2?

Phase 1, the headhouse expansion, is unlikely to get any larger, because there are limits to what the historic building can hold. Similarly, the apartment building over the tracks is limited by it's slender site and the structural acrobatics it is undergoing in order to rest on only 2 rows of 5 columns in the track platforms. The parcel with the office towers is a few years down the road, and is unencumbered by existing conditions, so it seems there is some good possibility for growth there if the demand for office space in the direct vicinity makes a big leap.

gebs Jun 18, 2018 6:06 PM

Mark your calendars for another community meeting, this time to discuss Riverside's proposal for Union Station:

Union Station developer to detail plans
Greg Hinz, Crain's Chicago Business

"O'Donnell's Riverside Development & Investment is about to present plans for 330 hotel rooms and 404 residential units atop the historic rail depot, as well as an office tower on what now is a parking garage on the block bound by Clinton, Van Buren, Canal and a Chicago Transit Authority bus facility, according to a constituent newsletter emailed over the weekend by the local alderman, Brendan Reilly, 42nd.

Reilly and city officials failed to respond to requests for comment and elaboration. O'Donnell emailed that he's travelling in Europe but will answer questions after Reilly's meeting, which is set for 6 p.m. June 25 in Union Station's Burlington Room."

jpIllInoIs Jun 18, 2018 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 7819704)
In its place—or atop the transit center, as often is seen in other cities around the globe?

This would explain the skimpy canopy coverage of the transit center, I always thought that looked under designed for Chicago's climate...

nomarandlee Jun 19, 2018 1:02 AM

Old Post Office - Check
Cook County Hosp - Check
Union Station - Almost check
....Plus major changes/improvements to Sears and Congress Theater.

Nice to see all these historical Chicago institutions get these upgrades at the same time.

BVictor1 Jun 25, 2018 11:52 PM

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/...20180625175729


http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...emake-unveiled

June 25, 2018
Union Station remake unveiled

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Imagine a light-filled glass box placed on top of a classic structure of stone and concrete.

In essence, that's the proposal a Chicago development group is laying out for the first phase of the redevelopment of Union Station, the city's historic, underused and overly crowded central train terminal.

In a presentation to local Ald. Brendan Reilly, 42nd, and community residents, Chicago developer John O'Donnell and partners are proposing to to renovate the station's mostly unused headhouse building and crown it with a new seven-story structure. Like what's underneath, the new area would have a glass skylight and an open light court above, allowing daylight to stream into the station's existing Great Hall below. The appearance, as depicted in an artist's rendition, takes some getting used to, but original plans back in the World War I era by Daniel Burnham and other designers called for up to a 20-story building.

The current headhouse and new structure combined would comprise 1.1 million square feet of space that would be used for a 330-room hotel and, on the higher floors, 404 residential units.

Hudson11 Jun 25, 2018 11:57 PM

oof

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The appearance, as depicted in an artist's rendition, takes some getting used to
no kidding

k1052 Jun 26, 2018 12:00 AM

fuck


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