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chris08876 Mar 19, 2015 1:49 AM

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Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6956094)
what street is the southern side of this project?
170th or 154th street??

NW 170th Street.

N830MH Mar 19, 2015 1:56 AM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6956098)
NW 170th Street.

Is that near Florida turnpike & I-75?

chris08876 Mar 19, 2015 2:03 AM

Yes sir. I-75 is actually to the East of the project site and the turnpike to the West so it will be accessible via those routes along with the local roads nearby. 87th and 28th Avenue will be major routes for the nearby suburban communities.

chris08876 Apr 6, 2015 1:02 AM

Article talking about opposition, and the potential congestion which is the big issue.

Also the foreshadowing of an interchange being built.

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Proposed mega mall near Miami, which would be the nation's largest, promises jobs, congestion

http://www.local10.com/image/view/-/...l-to-Miami.jpg

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The question — and, even more so, his own answer — made Omar Olivera sigh heavily. But, yeah, he reluctantly admitted, having a giant shopping mall with a water park, a ski slope and a submarine ride in Northwest Miami-Dade County would be great. Even if it obliterates the pretty, winding canal in which he had just caught a fat bass with his fishing pole.

"If it does a good job of bringing in dollars, I'd say that mall is a net plus, even though it will be sad to lose all this," Olivera said as he methodically plucked the hook from the fish's mouth. "I understand people are worried about the traffic it will bring. But the biggest mall in America is bound to bring a lot of dollars, too."

The canal where Olivera was fishing meanders through an unnamed and unincorporated residential area perched on the eastern edge of Interstate 75. It will be Ground Zero for any fallout if the plans announced earlier this month for the construction of the largest shopping mall in North America come to fruition.

American Dream Miami, as the $4 billion project is called, will include several amusement parks as well as hotels and condos on 200 acres tucked into a triangular area bounded roughly by I-75, Florida's Turnpike and Northwest 170th Street.

I-75 is currently the edge of civilization in that part of the county. To its west is the proposed mall site, a mostly empty tract of woods, scrub brush and drowsily grazing dairy cows. To its east lies the nameless suburban subdivision in which Olivera, a 31-year-old salesman who lives a couple of miles away in Hialeah, was fishing.

Many of the residents in the subdivision believe the mall will be a lively addition to a suburban neighborhood nestled along the highway between Northwest 170th and 181st streets — a neighborhood that is lovely and bucolic, but that in their estimation can also be a little dull.

And even those who hate the idea of a 200-acre shopping mall going up a stone's throw away (provided the stone is thrown by Dan Marino) seem resigned to the idea that it's futile to resist a project that will inject something between 7,500 and 20,000 jobs into an uncertain local economy.

"The county's going ahead with it," concedes Pat Collado, a paralegal who heads the Palm Springs North Civic Association, which includes the neighborhood. "There's just too much money involved. . We hope they just don't kill us with traffic so that we can't move around our own neighborhood."

If organized opposition to the mall should arise, it will almost certainly be due to traffic, because American Dream Miami will bring a lot of it. Triple Five, the multinational company behind the project, says American Dream Miami will be the biggest of its shopping properties, which include the Mall of America near Minneapolis (40 million annual visitors) and the West Edmonton Mall in Canada (30 million).

Right now, the site is served by only one highway exit: Northwest 183rd Street, off I-75 — which raises the specter of a dystopia in which the better part of 40-million-plus shoppers are careening through the surface streets of a neighborhood as they try to reach the mall.

"It's going to be war!" exclaims day care center operator Angela Ortega, 52, a mall opponent who was standing in her front yard a few blocks from the mall site one recent afternoon, gesturing in frustration at the long line of vehicles exiting from one of the eight schools in the area.

"Look at the traffic we have now. And every day it's worse."

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A spokesman for Triple Five, which has tried to keep a low profile since the plans for the mall were disclosed earlier this month, refused to comment about potential traffic problems and solutions. But Florida Department of Transportation spokesman Tom Martinelli confirmed that FDOT has been talking with Triple Five for about a year, and the developer has provided detailed estimates about the traffic it expects the mall to generate.

"So right now the department is in the process of evaluating those preliminary traffic projections," Martinelli said. "Based on that, we will make some recommendations from an engineering angle." He said it's too early to provide any details.

Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez, a strong supporter of the mall, said "some kind of interchange" will be built. "But you've got to do it so people who want to get into the mall can do it without going east into the neighborhoods along I-75."

Complicating the discussion is the locally infamous "bridge to nowhere" on 170th Street, long a point of contention in the neighborhood. Built in the mid-1980s for reasons nobody can exactly remember, the bridge extends 170th Street — a two-lane residential street running along a canal and a hiking path — over I-75 and into the area where the mall will be built. Once it passes over I-75, the street turns from pavement into a dirt road, then peters out altogether a couple of hundred yards before it reaches the Turnpike.

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http://www.local10.com/news/proposed...stion/32202554

Coldrsx Apr 6, 2015 2:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SLO (Post 6953307)
Has that mall not performed very well?

I remember being a bit underwhelmed with Mall of America. Seems like they are 25-30 years late

Quite the opposite, it is very successful.

Wayward Memphian Apr 6, 2015 2:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 6978557)
Quite the opposite, it is very successful.

It's undergoing expansion.

Imagine taking your kid for some rides and it be cooled and dry.

N830MH Apr 6, 2015 6:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayward Memphian (Post 6978567)
It's undergoing expansion.

Imagine taking your kid for some rides and it be cooled and dry.

Lol!!! I can't agree with you anymore!! It going be great! Can't wait to build a new mega mall.

chris08876 Apr 6, 2015 10:08 PM

New Rendering:

http://www.saintpetersblog.com/wp-co...miami-mall.jpg
Credit: http://www.saintpetersblog.com/archives/224681

mrnyc Apr 7, 2015 2:06 AM

beware the fate of cleveland's randall park mall aka the former largest mall in america before the mall of america!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Park_Mall

eleven=11 Apr 7, 2015 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 6979894)
beware the fate of cleveland's randall park mall aka the former largest mall in america before the mall of america!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Park_Mall

that old mall is from 1976, What does that have do with 2015.
this new mall has a good location should do well.
lots of locals & visitors will drive to shop there.
still dont think it needs a indoor ski thing, Whats up with the
Mall in NY/NJ? are they still building the ferris wheel?

UrbanImpact Apr 7, 2015 1:33 PM

Hopefully this is never built. Two large shopping malls are being built in Downtown Miami (Brickell City Center and Miami World Center) and there are plenty of malls around. This proposal is only going to cause congestion and encourage growth where it is not needed (edge of the burbs). I'm sorry but I hate the idea.

chris08876 Apr 15, 2015 8:38 PM

Mega-mall project in Northwest Miami-Dade wins state approval for land deal

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A land deal at the heart of an ambitious plan to bring the largest mall in America to northwest Miami-Dade County got the green light Tuesday from Gov. Rick Scott and Cabinet members.

In a unanimous vote in Tallahassee, the four-member Cabinet approved 82 acres of state land to Miami-Dade for $12.3 million. The county will then sell it for the same amount to American Dream Miami developer Triple Five.

Some of South Florida’s largest malls urged the Cabinet to reject the American Dream deal, an early sign of the fight ahead for Triple Five as it pursues a shopping destination large enough to have its own indoor ski slope and sea-lion habitat.

“Government should not be deciding winners and losers,” said Shobi Khan, chief operating officer of General Growth Properties, which owns the nearby Pembroke Lakes Mall, as well as downtown Miami’s Bayside Marketplace. “This process has lacked transparency in terms of a formal bidding process. And for the Florida taxpayers, they’re not getting fair compensation for this land.”

The approved transaction allows Triple Five to avoid potential competition in the state’s surplus-land protocols, which give local counties first shot at any spare real estate before it goes up for sale. It also marked an early win for Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez, whose administration spent the last year negotiating the American Dream deal in secret and then won quick approval for it last month from the county commission.

With American Dream projecting as many as 25,000 full-time jobs and a $4 billion construction project, Gimenez touts the project as a historic economic boon for Miami-Dade. Critics, including mayoral candidate Raquel Regalado, portray American Dream as bringing mostly low-paying retail jobs and traffic woes. Triple Five owns the Mall of America in Minnesota, and sees Miami able to support an even larger destination.


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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...#storylink=cpy

chris08876 Apr 24, 2015 1:39 AM

Developer of Miami-Dade mega-mall closes land deal

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Triple Five Group closed on the purchase of 82 acres in northwest Miami-Dade County as the first piece in its plan to build the largest mall and theme park in North America.

Miami-Dade County sold the land near the southwest corner of Interstate 75 and the Florida Turnpike for $12.3 million to International Atlantic LLC, an affiliate of the Edmonton, Canada-based company. The land was previously owned by the state. The county had the first right of refusal to purchase it without putting it up for bid. Triple Five negotiated a deal with the county to fully fund the purchase of the land, plus pay $7.25 million to Miami-Dade County Public Schools for terminating its lease on part of the property.

The entire project, dubbed American Dream Miami, is planned for 225 acres. International Atlantic has additional acreage in the area under contract with private parties, including the Graham Cos. The property is developed woodlands and pastures. There are many homes just east of Interstate 75.

The developer hasn’t disclosed the size of American Dream Miami, but said it would be larger than the 4-million-square-foot Mall of the Americas that it owns. The project would include shopping, dining, an indoor ski slope, a skating rink, amusement park rides, a theater, a submarine ride, a sea lion show, a hotel, a condo tower, and many other features.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...ess+Journal%29

eleven=11 May 17, 2015 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 6980331)
Hopefully this is never built. Two large shopping malls are being built in Downtown Miami (Brickell City Center and Miami World Center) and there are plenty of malls around. This proposal is only going to cause congestion and encourage growth where it is not needed (edge of the burbs). I'm sorry but I hate the idea.

so if they dont build the mall Then congestion and growth will get better??
I think its a good location for dade/miami & broward.
the new downtown malls will do fine.
still dont know why I95 is so bad as soon as you hit the county line.
its a slow moving parking lot.

chris08876 Aug 3, 2015 9:51 PM

At American Dream Mall, World’s Largest Indoor Ski Slope Will Open At 10 AM Daily

http://i.imgur.com/RaFu7Vs.jpg

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American Dream mall is already advertising in a local newspaper.

The mall, which will be the largest in the U.S., is being built in Northwest Dade, near Hialeah and Miami Lakes.

The indoor ski slope will be the largest in the world, according to the ad. Skiing, sledding, tobogganing and ski instruction will be available daily year round, starting at 10 AM.

American Dream is being called a luxury shopping and entertainment center, rather than a mall. Developers of the project own Mall Of America in Minnesota, which will be surpassed in size by Miami’s American Dream.
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http://www.thenextmiami.com/index.ph...t-10-am-daily/

chris08876 Jan 7, 2016 2:42 AM

The proposed American Dream Miami has 40 percent more space than the Mall of America in Minnesota

http://www.miamiherald.com/latest-ne...-MallMiami.jpg

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America has never seen the kind of mega mall planned for Northwest Miami-Dade.

Recent regulatory documents filed by the developer of American Dream Miami, a 200-acre shopping and entertainment complex proposed near Miami Lakes, insist the project is so large and varied that traditional planning and traffic formulas fall short of offering a template for how the attraction would operate on what’s now vacant land where Interstate 75 meets Florida’s Turnpike.

Even Minnesota’s Mall of America, the country’s biggest shopping theme park and widely cited as the closest thing to an American Dream peer, offers only a fraction of what the developer of both projects wants to bring to Miami-Dade. The documents show developer Triple Five wants American Dream to cover 6.2 million square feet of floor space, about 40 percent larger than the Mall of America’s 4.4-million-square-foot presence in Bloomington, Minnesota.

A big difference comes from the actual shopping areas, with American Dream planning to have about 1 million more square feet of retail than the Mall of America has. But the planning documents also show American Dream betting much more heavily on the theme-park side of the business, with about a quarter of the layout taken up by rides, an indoor ski slope, mini submarines and other entertainment options.

At the Mall of America, less than 15 percent of the space falls under the entertainment category. American Dream also is slated to have a 2,000-room hotel, which would be the largest in Miami-Dade.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...#storylink=cpy

mrnyc Jan 7, 2016 5:47 AM

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Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6980296)
that old mall is from 1976, What does that have do with 2015.

its torn down now, so its a cautionary tale about the eventual fate of the world's largest malls. you'll have to ask again around 2055 lol!

N830MH Jan 16, 2016 5:14 AM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 7290750)
its torn down now, so its a cautionary tale about the eventual fate of the world's largest malls. you'll have to ask again around 2055 lol!

You won't wait for another decades. You can't wait forever. I can't remember where the old malls is? Is that where they used to be?

chris08876 Jan 16, 2016 3:27 PM

Document #1: http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2...0-14085609.pdf *

Document #2:
http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2...0-14085816.pdf *

* Clearer layouts in the PDF's.

http://i.imgur.com/zhZHfQ9.png

http://i.imgur.com/BR4WOF3.png

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The 6.2-million-square-foot mall, under development by the Triple Five Group, would be the largest in North America with 3.5 million square feet of retail stores, 2,000 hotel rooms, a 370,000-square-foot theme park, 370,000-square-foot water park, a 200,000-square-foot indoor ski slope, movie theaters, a sports center, outdoor fishing center, miniature golf course, live entertainment venue, plus attractions the developer is calling Submarine Lake, Art Deco Village and Tivoli Garden.
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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...114-story.html

N830MH Jan 17, 2016 6:15 AM

Hmmm. Where is the Food courts is? Where are they? Can't they build a largest parking garage? Well, here's the link:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business...114-story.html

What do you think?

chris08876 Jun 29, 2016 10:46 PM

Timeline of American Dream Miami mega mall pushed back :(


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Triple Five Group’s plans for what would be the biggest mall in North America have reportedly been pushed back due to traffic concerns.

American Dream Miami, a 6.2 million-square-foot project, would be built on about nearly 200 acres in Northwest Miami-Dade County. Triple Five had said it planned to break ground on the Miami development by the end of the year, but it looks like the developer will go before the county commission next year instead.

Triple Five refiled a comprehensive development master plan amendment for the site in November, which should have been voted on in May or June, according to the South Florida Business Journal. The developer’s attorney told the newspaper that Triple Five moved the application to the next cycle, either in February or March of next year, because the county asked for more traffic information and analysis.


Included in the traffic study filed in May is a nearly 4,500-page analysis that covers the mall’s potential impact on areas as far as southwest Broward County, Hialeah and Miami Lakes. According to the report, American Dream Miami would generate close to 70,000 trips a day, and 5,200 during afternoon rush hour – which is up from earlier traffic studies.

Plans for the actual development remain unchanged, the South Florida Business Journal reported. American Dream Miami would include a 2,000-room hotel, a 16-story indoor ski slope, a 20-slide water park, a submarine ride in a man-made salt water lake with an artificial reef, a climate-controlled theme park, a 14-screen 3-D movie theater, a performing arts center and more.

The change also applies to a 309-acre, mixed-use project that the Graham Cos. is planning on neighboring land between I-75 and the Florida Turnpike.
Triple Five, led by Iranian-Canadian developer Eskandar Ghermezian, is known for developing Mall of America in Minnesota.
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TRD
http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...iami-mega.html

N830MH Jul 9, 2016 3:16 AM

Can't they have metrorail expansion? Do you have a news yet?

UPChicago Jul 10, 2016 1:43 AM

American Nightmare

Coldrsx Jul 10, 2016 2:10 AM

Bingo... and this comes from a guy with West Edmonton Mall ^in his backyard.

kingkirbythe.... Jul 10, 2016 12:24 PM

Gross.

eleven=11 Jul 11, 2016 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkirbythe.... (Post 7499035)
Gross.

maybe maybe not. most people will love this place.
shopping with entertainment.
good location for dade, south dade, west broward
locals and tourists.

Nomadd22 Aug 19, 2016 9:38 PM

I hope it does better than Xanadu. My eyes still hurt from looking at that eyesore.

chris08876 Jan 28, 2017 4:27 PM

American Dream Miami mega-mall wins preliminary vote before County Commission :cheers:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...ll%20News%20rk

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American Dream Miami sailed through to another political victory on Wednesday as Miami-Dade commissioners granted preliminary approval for the $3 billion retail theme park near Miami Lakes and Hialeah.

In a 10-1 vote, the commission granted American Dream’s request to let the approval process move to Tallahassee before the application comes back to Miami-Dade for a final vote later this year. In a boost to American Dream, the commission rejected county staff members’ recommendation to remain neutral in transmitting the application and instead signaled that the board intends to adopt the proposed zoning changes.

“A lot of people would love to have this in their county,” said Commissioner Jose “Pepe” Diaz, whose district includes the American Dream site. “Projects like these don’t happen very often. They rarely happen.”

Triple Five pitched American Dream as a historic opportunity for Miami-Dade to expand its tourism offerings and vie for the family vacationers who currently stream north to Orlando’s theme parks. Opponents branded the project as a new source of low-wage retail jobs that would only draw shopping dollars from existing malls while swamping Northwest Miami-Dade with traffic.

Wednesday’s vote triggers a state review process that is expected to take three or four months, with commissioners taking a final vote on the development plan in April or May. The preliminary approval granted Wednesday comes as county officials say they still don’t have a specific plan to rework nearby roadways to accommodate an estimated 70,000 cars a day from the 200-acre American Dream and its sister project, a 340-acre commercial and residential complex to be built to the south by the Graham Cos.

There also isn’t an agreement on how much Triple Five would pay to address transportation issues, and county officials say they have no plan to extend commuter rail to what would be the largest mall in the United States.

Commissioner Daniella Levine Cava, the lone no vote on the board, said she was concerned that a final vote loomed with so many key issues unresolved.

“It’s not much time, three months. On a very, very complicated development,” she said. “I am not opposed to this project. I see the economic benefit. The question is: at what cost?”

Designed as a larger version of Minnesota’s Mall of America, the six-million-square-foot mall and amusement park would be large enough to include an indoor ski slope, submarine rides and an enclosed water park. Triple Five, owner of the Mall of America, expects 30 million visitors a year and more than 14,000 permanent jobs at the 200-acre complex on a wedge of pastures and wetlands where I-75 meets Florida’s Turnpike.

American Dream’s hiring projections would make the mall Miami-Dade’s largest employment center. An economic-impact report submitted by Triple Five estimates that more than 60 percent of the positions would pay less than $25,000 a year.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...#storylink=cpy

N830MH Jan 31, 2017 8:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Nomadd22 (Post 7536719)
I hope it does better than Xanadu. My eyes still hurt from looking at that eyesore.

GO to see your eyes doctor. See if you have a eyes problem. You must buy a eyes drop. Your eyes is very dry.

chris08876 Mar 4, 2017 4:11 PM

Planning board taps brakes on American Dream mega-mall momentum. Just a tap, though.



http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...icandreammiami

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Asked to pass judgment on building the nation’s largest mall, a South Florida planning council on Monday said it would need a little more time. And it agreed to take a vote late next week.

Members of the South Florida Regional Planning Council rejected their staff’s request that they declare the American Dream Miami project “generally consistent” with local development goals. With the recommendation distributed Friday evening, members complained they had only the weekend to review the recommendation for a six-million-square-foot project in Northwest Miami-Dade that’s large enough to have an indoor ski slope, submarine rides and more retail space than Minnesota’s Mall of America.

“I have to object to our even taking this item up right now,” said Steve Geller, a Broward commissioner and council member. “I’m not a Miami-Dade commissioner. I’m a Broward commissioner. Our [county] staff hasn’t had the chance to analyze this.”

The back-and-forth of the obscure board headquartered in Hollywood captures a larger debate over the American Dream project, which sits about a mile south of the Broward line. Critics point to a steamrolling push for approval before Miami-Dade can extract deals from developer Triple Five on traffic, transit funding and other concessions. Representatives of the Canadian company, which owns Mall of America, say state law dictates the timetable and that the project has already been extensively vetted in the public for close to two years.

“We’ve been around for over a year and half,” said Miguel Diaz de la Portilla, the former state senator representing American Dream as a lawyer and lobbyist. “We’ve had two meetings in this very room.”

Council staff said they only received the paperwork from Miami-Dade last week and had to secure a speedy vote in order to inject the board’s verdict into a 30-day review of the project by Florida.

Miami-Dade had expected Florida to take an extra month to review American Dream, which would be the county’s largest development. But Mark Woerner, Miami-Dade’s planning director, said Florida opted to stick with the standard one-month process. The state review was triggered by Miami-Dade giving initial approval of the project on Jan. 25, and the Planning Council’s recommendation would head to Tallahassee, as well. A spokeswoman for the state Department of Economic Opportunity said the review schedule complies with state law.

With Florida’s review under way, the American Dream project faces a final vote before the County Commission in May or June, according to the most recent county schedule. Diaz de la Portilla said Monday the mall plans to open in 2022 and would be built in a single phase. Current plans call for the retail theme park, which expects to attract more than 40 million visitors a year, to be served by county buses and new highway overpasses.

While the planning council’s recommendation is new, the board — made up of elected officials from Broward, Miami-Dade and Monroe counties — has already held hearings on the American Dream plan. And Broward County’s own planning staff has been analyzing the project for impacts to the northern county’s roads and transit system. In September, Broward’s planning division wrote Woerner with its own objections, including concerns more study is needed on traffic outside of Miami-Dade.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...#storylink=cpy

chris08876 Jun 1, 2017 12:05 AM

Miami megamall is biggest in US — but don't call it a mall

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Developers are proposing a massive 6 million-square-foot (557,000 square-meter) project on the edge of the Everglades in bustling South Florida that would dwarf any other shopping mecca in North America, including Minnesota's Mall of America.

Miami-Dade County officials could vote this fall to approve it, despite some criticism that it will worsen the region's already choking traffic problem and might produce mostly low-paying jobs. In general, malls across the U.S. have been in a slow decline as shoppers flock to the internet.

Don Ghermezian, president of developer Triple Five Worldwide Group of Edmonton, Canada — which also built Mall of America — said this is not your father's shopping mall. In addition to millions of square feet of retail, the project would include an indoor ski slope, a water park, a submarine ride attraction, a skating rink, 2,000 hotel rooms, theaters, a performing arts center and places to eat and drink.

The idea, Ghermezian said at a recent public hearing, is to give millions of residents and tourists in the Miami area a family-friendly alternative to Orlando attractions such as Disney World and Universal.

"We are not mall developers. That's not what we're trying to build," he said. "A lot of it is 'retail-tainment.' What we're trying to create is an economic engine."

Miami has trendy South Beach and miles of sunny beaches, the vibrant Wynwood arts district and the Everglades for nature lovers but has never had a major attraction like other Florida cities. There's the Seaquarium with its 50-year-old orca, Lolita, and places such as Jungle Island, the zoo and Monkey Jungle. Yet no large theme parks have ever located here.

Triple Five predicts American Dream would draw 300,000 visitors a day and create about 14,500 permanent jobs. Politicians are lining up in support.
"World class cities have world class facilities," said Dennis Moss, a Miami-Dade County commissioner. "All of the great things that we have going in this community, a huge disadvantage is we don't have a lot of family entertainment and amusement activities. This is a game-changer."


Local resident Stuart Bloomberg said at the recent hearing that Miami needs something just like that.

"I am tired of hearing everybody say there's nothing south of I-4," Bloomberg said of the interstate the runs through Orlando. "It's about time Miami-Dade participated. Let's not blow it this time."

South Florida's existing malls, including the region's top tourist attraction Sawgrass Mills, are watching nervously. They say they are not opposed to American Dream but would not favor any public tax dollars going to subsidize it. So far, no public money is financing the project.
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http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/R...photo-12995394

moosejaw Jul 11, 2017 3:36 PM

All the jobs it will product
Is anyone concerned about the jobs it will take away

The Seminoles and Disney teamed up together to defeat Gentling in Miami
What do you think when the interests of Turnberry and Simon get together to kill this?

Do you really think there is room for 3 of top 10 malls in the country to co-exist within 20 miles of each other?

The county should be exploring education, tech and sciences to keep people from fleeing the brain drain of south florida. That would enourage higher paying jobs as opposed to becoming another stop for the cruise ship rivera. This only establishes the local populace as clown and trained animals in a circus.

chris08876 May 8, 2018 11:40 PM

American Dream Approved By Planning Board, Including 50-Story Tower

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Miami is one step closer to getting the biggest mall in America, American Dream Miami.

Yesterday, Miami-Dade’s Planning Advisory Board voted 11-1 to recommend approval. The final step is approval of the County Commission, scheduled for a vote in May 17.

In April, developer Triple Five submitted an initial development plan that reveals just how massive the project is. It will include:

3.5 million square feet of retail (more than any other American mall)
1.5 million square feet of entertainment
1.2 million square feet back-of-house
2,000 hotel rooms

Three structures on the property will rise 500 feet, which is roughly the equivalent of 50 stories. The hotel tower, a Ferris wheel, and an indoor ski slope all will rise to that height.
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NXT

N830MH May 16, 2018 5:50 AM

Awesome! When they will start construction? When they will be final approval from Miami-Dade County Commissioner?

eleven=11 May 17, 2018 3:02 AM

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Originally Posted by moosejaw (Post 7861587)
All the jobs it will product
Is anyone concerned about the jobs it will take away

The Seminoles and Disney teamed up together to defeat Gentling in Miami
What do you think when the interests of Turnberry and Simon get together to kill this?

Do you really think there is room for 3 of top 10 malls in the country to co-exist within 20 miles of each other?

The county should be exploring education, tech and sciences to keep people from fleeing the brain drain of south florida. That would enourage higher paying jobs as opposed to becoming another stop for the cruise ship rivera. This only establishes the local populace as clown and trained animals in a circus.

its just a mall. People like fancy nice malls.
Gentling in Miami will still happen in 2-4 years
2000 hotel rooms ? Wow any pictures?

chris08876 May 17, 2018 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 8189513)
Awesome! When they will start construction? When they will be final approval from Miami-Dade County Commissioner?

Today is the date for the vote.

MiamiSpartan May 18, 2018 3:17 AM

Miami-Dade approved it. What a cluster this is going to be. Retail is dying and the turnpike can’t even handle the current traffic much less the increase from this. There will have to be MAJOR infrastructure changes before this opens

N830MH May 18, 2018 4:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan (Post 8191989)
Miami-Dade approved it. What a cluster this is going to be. Retail is dying and the turnpike can’t even handle the current traffic much less the increase from this. There will have to be MAJOR infrastructure changes before this opens

Here's the link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...211306649.html

You can read the newspaper. Enjoy!

chris08876 May 19, 2018 1:51 AM

Great to see it approved! :cheers:

Kumdogmillionaire May 19, 2018 1:55 AM

>Building a megamall in 2018

>On no what's u doin bb

aquablue May 19, 2018 7:52 AM

It's not just a mall, it's an amusement park for children.

Now, when I come to Miami I'd rather walk around downtown than go to this infantile place. Why on earth don't you make downtown nice?

eleven=11 May 20, 2018 5:13 AM

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Originally Posted by aquablue (Post 8193312)
It's not just a mall, it's an amusement park for children.

Now, when I come to Miami I'd rather walk around downtown than go to this infantile place. Why on earth don't you make downtown nice?

the new downtown Miami train station opened Saturday 19th
its also a shopping center.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_LIV
when this happens with everything else building downtown very stylish nice

eleven=11 May 20, 2018 5:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MiamiSpartan (Post 8191989)
Miami-Dade approved it. What a cluster this is going to be. Retail is dying and the turnpike can’t even handle the current traffic much less the increase from this. There will have to be MAJOR infrastructure changes before this opens

the turnpike is fine, HAVE you been on i95 in Dade that's the real problem
also mall is 175 acres What is the plus 300 acres to the south??

chris08876 Jun 26, 2018 10:02 PM

American Dream Is Flipping To More Entertainment, Less Retail

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he massive American Dream Miami project won final approval from the Miami-Dade commission last week – and it’s now looking like more of a theme park than a mall.

The $4b project will now have a much larger entertainment component than originally planned, with the amount of retail space reduced, according to the WSJ.

Originally, the proposal included 3.5 million square feet of retail, with 1.5 million square feet of entertainment. Now, the developer will likely do the opposite, an attorney for the developer said.

Entertainment features are expected to include an indoor ski slope, ice climbing wall, waterpark, and submarine lake. There will also be 2,000 hotel rooms.

30 million annual visitors are expected.
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N830MH Jun 28, 2018 2:05 AM

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Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 8193917)
the turnpike is fine, HAVE you been on i95 in Dade that's the real problem
also mall is 175 acres What is the plus 300 acres to the south??

There is correct. I-95 is so horrible. Too much traffic. You must avoid I-95. You can take Tri-Rail to downtown Miami or Brightline. Just in case. Leave your car at home.

chris08876 Jul 1, 2019 2:12 PM

INFRASTRUCTURE WORK FOR AMERICA’S BIGGEST MALL ABOUT TO BEGIN IN MIAMI

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An interchange needed for America’s biggest mall will begin construction shortly, with bids from contractors said to have been due earlier this week, according to Miami Today.

Construction will begin shortly after bids are received, a representative said.

Developer Triple Five plans to spend $220 million alone just on roadway and highway changes required for the project.

The mall cannot open until a Turnpike interchange is completed, expected in 2025, the developer’s attorney said. Site plan approval isn’t even on the agenda for the developer until 2020 since infrastructure work will take so long.

Utilities work is also now in design, with construction expected soon at a cost of $7 million. Completion is expected in two years, with the developer covering costs.

American Dream Miami is expected to eventually become the biggest mall in America upon completion, with retail, dining and entertainment. Total cost is estimated at $4.5 billion to $5 billion.

In total, the project will include 7.2 million square feet with towers as tall as 50 stories. It will also have restaurants, the world’s largest indoor ski slope, a walk-through aquarium, a skating rink, an ice-climbing wall, live theater venues for Russian ballet and Chinese acrobats and 2,000 hotel rooms.
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Triple Five Worldwide gets American Dream Mall on road

https://www.miamitodaynews.com/wp-co...ream-miami.jpg

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Canadian developer Triple Five Worldwide says it is on schedule as highway bids due this month will eventually lead to its American Dream Mall. The project is moving steadily after receiving county approval last spring, representatives say.
:cheers:
Triple Five Worldwide is looking to construct the largest mall in the US between Florida’s Turnpike Extension, Interstate 75 and Miami Gardens Drive. Plans are moving since the company first expressed interest three years ago. The project is estimated at $4.5 billion to $5 billion, ultimately producing a mall with retail, dining, and entertainment in 5 million square feet of space.

Triple Five Worldwide says it and other stakeholders are moving forward on the infrastructure changes coming to Interstate 75. The company says it plans to invest $220 million in roadway and highway changes.

Miguel Diaz de la Portilla, a Saul Ewing Arnstein and Lehr attorney who represents Triple Five Worldwide, told Miami Today that the past year has been focused on infrastructure changes.

He said, “There is a massive amount of infrastructure that needs to be placed before we can open American Dream.”

His team coordinated right-of-way agreements with the county, City of Hialeah, Florida’s Turnpike Enterprise, Florida Department of Transportation and private property owners near the site. Bids for construction of the interchange of Interstate 75 and Northwest 170th Street went out after

agreements were in place, and are expected June 25. Construction is to begin on the interchange soon after selection of the contractor, Mr. Diaz de la Portilla said.

Mr. Diaz de la Portilla said, “That is one of the critical pieces of transportation infrastructure, if not the most critical piece of transportation infrastructure that is needed for the project.”

Other components to Interstate 75 are moving along in the meantime. Mr. Diaz de la Portilla says other interchange modifications, such as at I-75 and Miami Gardens Drive and I-75 and 180th Street, are in the works. His team has been prioritizing highway changes since receiving county approval in May 2018.

He said, “The project can’t move forward unless the infrastructure is placed first, particularly transportation infrastructure.”


The sooner the roadway and highway changes are complete the closer Triple Five Worldwide will get to debuting American Dream Mall, he said. “The opening date has always been tied from day one to the turnpike interchange. In fact, in our development agreement, we can’t open until the turnpike interchange is operational and the road infrastructure is in place.”

Other components related to highway modifications are also moving forward.

Lourdes Gomez, deputy director for the county’s Department of Regulatory Economic Resources, says her team is overseeing two permits at this time. The first relates to the Division of Environmental Resources Management (DERM) permitting process needed for plans to widen the turnpike.

“There’s a big project going on in terms of the turnpike,” Ms. Gomez said. “It’s not just the interchange. It’s a large swath of the turnpike that is being widened. In order to do that, one of the approvals that they needed was from our Division of Environmental ResourcesManagement.”

The permit will allow a wider highway near county canals. Two of three of these permits have been approved and the third is expected in the coming week, she said.

The other permit in progress focuses on the interchange on Northwest 170th Street.

“It has to do with conveying property to the turnpike that they need because it is impacting the footprint,” Ms. Gomez said. “They call it a limited access, but it’s basically the footprint of the interchange that they are constructing.”

The county’s Water and Sewer Department, meanwhile, is moving forward with its design plans for the necessary sewer lines needed in the area regardless of Triple Five not submitting its site plan or plat. Department Deputy Director Douglas Yoder will oversee the 24-inch line that will connect I-75, Northwest 170th Street and 97th Avenue to the existing system.
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https://www.miamitodaynews.com/2019/...-mall-on-road/

N830MH Jul 2, 2019 7:06 AM

Awesome!! Please share a construction photos for me.

chris08876 Sep 13, 2019 8:42 PM

FIRST RETAIL SHOP AT AMERICAN DREAM MIAMI REVEALED: IT’SUGAR ‘CANDY DEPARTMENT STORE’

https://i.imgur.com/il9Spxj.jpg

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The biggest mall ever built in America will soon begin construction in Miami, and one retailer has revealed that they have plans to open a store there.

It is the first retailer known to have plans for a store there.

IT’SUGAR will open a “candy department store” at American Dream Miami “if and when” the mall opens, the CEO of the candy retailer told the SFBJ.

IT’SUGAR will open a similar store on October 23 at the American Dream mall opening near New York, in East Rutherford, NJ.

It will be the world’s largest non-producing candy store.

The massive NJ store will span three stories and 22,000 square feet, with a 60-foot replica of the Statue of Liberty that can be seen from every level. Instead of a torch, the statue will hold a lollipop.

The first floor will have a pick-and-mix area with 500 options. On the second floor will be merchandise and candy, and a cafe will be on the third floor.

The store will become a destination in itself, able to draw people who come just to see the store, the CEO said.

American Dream Miami will be bigger than the one in New Jersey. The Miami version will include retail and entertainment components, including resort hotels, amusement parks, and an indoor ski facility.

Site work for the mall was expected to begin earlier this summer, an attorney for the developer said, according to a June report. Completion of infrastructure needed to open the complex wasn’t expected until 2025, he said at the time (the SFBJ article says opening could be in 2023).
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N830MH Aug 3, 2020 5:45 AM

Finally!! Groundbreaking in 2021. They will start construction for next year.

https://news.yahoo.com/land-swap-bri...110000211.html

https://news.yahoo.com/terra-buys-70...093000561.html

Pedestrian Aug 3, 2020 7:14 AM

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Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 8999515)
Finally!! Groundbreaking in 2021. They will start construction for next year.

https://news.yahoo.com/land-swap-bri...110000211.html

https://news.yahoo.com/terra-buys-70...093000561.html

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Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 8999513)
Finally! I've got a news for you. American Dream Mall in Miami. Groundbreaking in 2021.

Let's do it!

Not so fast:

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Triple Five Faces Big Covid-19 Woes, but Analysts Say Don’t Write It Off
By Esther Fung
July 14, 2020 8:00 am ET

With Covid-19 keeping millions of consumers out of malls and shopping centers, much of the news about Triple Five Group, one of the largest private retail real-estate owners in North America, has been grim.

As of June, Mall of America is 60 days delinquent on its $1.4 billion mortgage and is negotiating with a special servicer for new terms, according to real-estate data firm Trepp LLC. The long-delayed American Dream project, which barely started opening when the pandemic hit, has at least $2.8 billion in debt, much of it borrowed in 2017.

But some retail experts say it is too early to count out the Canada-based company, which faces problems with Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn., and American Dream in East Rutherford, N.J., the country’s most expensive mall development.

Triple Five has in its favor the reluctance of creditors to foreclose on challenged properties, especially those being managed by leading operators with decades of experience. The controlling Ghermezian family is known for its charm and success at blending shopping with theme parks, aquariums and other forms of entertainment . . . .

. . . a Triple Five spokesperson declined last week to comment on the Mall of America debt but acknowledged that the company is facing “financial challenges due to Covid-19.”

Mall of America, one of the country’s largest with 3 million square feet, was temporarily closed in mid-March, and some tenants have withheld rents because of the mandated closures. It was to reopen on June 1, but the Memorial Day killing of George Floyd while in Minneapolis police custody and the ensuing protests pushed the date to June 10.

As for the American Dream, the enclosed 3-million square foot mall development was already a challenge for Triple Five in the years leading up to the pandemic . . . . [and it] announced that it would close on March 16 because of the pandemic.

Since then there has been more pain. Vitamin seller GNC Holdings Inc. filed for bankruptcy last month, announcing up to 1,200 store closures including one in American Dream. Last month, American Dream sued a Korean restaurant owner for breach of contract, alleging that the tenant had refused to construct and open its premises according to the lease.

. . . Starwood Property Trust, one of the [mall's] construction loan creditors, declined to comment . . . .

https://www.wsj.com/articles/triple-...ff-11594728002

One wonders who's going to provide construction financing for a new project to this company. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in any timing right now. It surely depends on the virus and the economy, both of which are almost unknowables even 12 months from now. Sounds to me like this announcement is mostly PR (and maybe an attempt to get the governments involved to move on the infrastructure improvements which have to be finished before the mall is).


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