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BVictor1 Oct 9, 2022 4:21 PM

CHICAGO | 170 N. Green (One Fulton Market) | 480 FT | 37 FLOORS
 
Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects
275 units
150 hotel keys

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/render/00-...G9A?cn=THISLIFE&res=medium&ts=1665288654

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Randomguy34 Oct 19, 2022 9:56 PM

From the highrise thread:
Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelMonkey (Post 9764281)
Here is the cam link for One Fulton if interested

https://app.oxblue.com/open/clayco/greenstreetdemo


SamInTheLoop Oct 19, 2022 11:33 PM

Hey, I guess we should be really very thankful Lucien Lagrange couldn't get his hands on this in time!

UrbanDweller98 Oct 24, 2022 9:59 AM

Any timetable on when this will break ground?

SolarWind Jan 25, 2023 11:13 PM

January 24, 2023




SamInTheLoop Jan 26, 2023 12:14 AM

^ Interesting. We haven't seen many of those around these parts, have we? It's typically the truck-mounted variety.

At any rate, folks wondering what's going on with groundbreaking here. CRG (and Shappack in a JV, though my assumption is that in terms of the actual developer here, this is mainly a CRG joint - correct me if someone has deets on structure) must be having a real challenge landing financing because of the office component. I've been wondering about this....do they make it a phased development now instead? Financing for spec office is really scarce right now, and of course quite a bit more expensive than it was not all that long ago (and let's be honest, the standard in Chicago has long been - even in 'easy' debt capital times - you land an anchor tenant, then you land your financing. There may be exceptions, but they are exceptions.

SteelMonkey Jun 22, 2023 11:05 PM

Anyone know why the small prep work on the site last 2 days?

twister244 Jun 23, 2023 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelMonkey (Post 9975782)
Anyone know why the small prep work on the site last 2 days?

I don't think there's anything going on? I see one small Earth mover, but no other indications of movement, unless someone knows differently.

twister244 Jun 23, 2023 7:38 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52996488284_08126f8658_k.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52996345856_c5a7d57cfa_k.jpg

Toasty Joe Jun 30, 2023 4:30 PM

I'd be cool with a redesign on this one. The central location would be a great spot for West Loop's first supertall

Charmy2 Jun 30, 2023 8:45 PM

I'm so excited to see this thing built!

Zapatan Jul 2, 2023 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toasty Joe (Post 9981979)
I'd be cool with a redesign on this one. The central location would be a great spot for West Loop's first supertall

It'd be awesome if the West Loop could get a supertall within the next 10 or so years when the place fills in.

SteelMonkey Jul 6, 2023 2:48 PM

Strange. Appears they are now paving a portion of the lot per the webcam.

https://app.oxblue.com/cameras/828f070371a13cb32c6866403b1d7fd6?openlink=clayco/greenstreetdemo

The Lurker Jul 6, 2023 3:58 PM

I had a feeling that steamroller was up to no good

twister244 Jul 6, 2023 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelMonkey (Post 9985707)
Strange. Appears they are now paving a portion of the lot per the webcam.

https://app.oxblue.com/cameras/828f070371a13cb32c6866403b1d7fd6?openlink=clayco/greenstreetdemo

It certainly doesn't scream "Imminent Groundbreaking" lol

r18tdi Jul 6, 2023 5:09 PM

Heard some unconfirmed scuttlebutt about a new JV partner taking a hard look at this one.
If true, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a redesign in the not too distant future.

mh777 Jul 6, 2023 5:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steelmonkey (Post 9985707)
strange. Appears they are now paving a portion of the lot per the webcam.

https://app.oxblue.com/cameras/828f070371a13cb32c6866403b1d7fd6?openlink=clayco/greenstreetdemo

lol. Wtf...

twister244 Jul 6, 2023 5:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 9985842)
Heard some unconfirmed scuttlebutt about a new JV partner taking a hard look at this one.
If true, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a redesign in the not too distant future.

This is why I continue to be skeptical of any additional groundbreakings of ANY highrises in the city that are anything but purely residential or hotel units. There's still a demand for more people to move into rental units as people still see Chicago as an amazing place to live. Same goes with hotel units. However, anything involving office space right now, to me, is automatically put into the "I'll believe it when I see it" category.

Zapatan Jul 6, 2023 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twister244 (Post 9985876)
This is why I continue to be skeptical of any additional groundbreakings of ANY highrises in the city that are anything but purely residential or hotel units. There's still a demand for more people to move into rental units as people still see Chicago as an amazing place to live. Same goes with hotel units. However, anything involving office space right now, to me, is automatically put into the "I'll believe it when I see it" category.

Isn't this hotel + residential? That's what it says in the first post.

Quote:

Heard some unconfirmed scuttlebutt about a new JV partner taking a hard look at this one.
If true, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a redesign in the not too distant future.
Damn, I really liked this design, unless it gets taller and prettier (obviously not holding my breath) they should just leave it as is.

Randomguy34 Jul 6, 2023 11:59 PM

350,000 square feet, about half of the total space, is dedicated to office

twister244 Jul 7, 2023 1:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 9986238)
350,000 square feet, about half of the total space, is dedicated to office

Which is probably why it's being re-evaluated right now......

lakeshoredrive Jul 7, 2023 1:29 AM

Maybe the developer will change their mind and build a thousand footer instead. One can dream! haha

Bombardier Jul 8, 2023 10:29 PM

I wouldn't get too excited about this project. They paved over half the project site this week. Maybe they'll wait out the current high interest rates and challenging financing by turning this into a surface lot. I don't see any other reason they would pave it.

https://app.oxblue.com/cameras/828f070371a13cb32c6866403b1d7fd6?openlink=clayco/greenstreetdemo

SteelMonkey Jul 9, 2023 4:39 PM

Painting blue squares now......:shrug:

SamInTheLoop Jul 9, 2023 7:31 PM

This is/was office+residential+hotel(+ some retail as well) That 350k sf of office sounds about right, although that was definitely less than half overall project sf.

Regardless, thoroughly mixed use projects such as this are typically meaningfully more challenging to pull off than single/primarily single use projects, even in stable financing and market fundamental conditions. Throw in what's happened with interest rates and capital availability in general (but most acutely felt for office) as well as what's happening in the office leasing market, and it's made pulling this project off that much more difficult.

Will be interesting to see what's happening over at 917 W Fulton - if that is actually moving forward near term, clearly that deal with Harrision Street was finalized (and perhaps another office tenant?). I believe that developer may have put together 1 or 2 deals for the retail space as well, but not 100% certain.

Bombardier Jul 9, 2023 7:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelMonkey (Post 9987837)
Painting blue squares now......:shrug:

Interesting. Are those pickleball courts?

mh777 Jul 9, 2023 9:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop (Post 9987922)
This is/was office+residential+hotel(+ some retail as well) That 350k sf of office sounds about right, although that was definitely less than half overall project sf.

Regardless, thoroughly mixed use projects such as this are typically meaningfully more challenging to pull off than single/primarily single use projects, even in stable financing and market fundamental conditions. Throw in what's happened with interest rates and capital availability in general (but most acutely felt for office) as well as what's happening in the office leasing market, and it's made pulling this project off that much more difficult.

Will be interesting to see what's happening over at 917 W Fulton - if that is actually moving forward near term, clearly that deal with Harrision Street was finalized (and perhaps another office tenant?). I believe that developer may have put together 1 or 2 deals for the retail space as well, but not 100% certain.

Sounds like 917 is moving forward. Doms & Gibsons are the retail tenants.

Randomguy34 Jul 9, 2023 9:35 PM

^ 917 has pending permits listed under the address 217 N Sangamon

Razorback Jul 9, 2023 10:58 PM

It's also been reported Gibsons Restaurant Group will lease space at 917.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mh777 (Post 9987974)
Sounds like 917 is moving forward. Doms & Gibsons are the retail tenants.


r18tdi Jul 10, 2023 2:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bombardier (Post 9987935)
Interesting. Are those pickleball courts?

Oh wow. Maybe?

gebs Jul 10, 2023 2:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 9988273)
Oh wow. Maybe?

Just took the train over it this morning, and yes, I am 90% sure those are 6 or so pickleball courts.

SolarWind Jul 11, 2023 1:05 AM

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KWillChicago Jul 11, 2023 3:23 AM

It's kind of confusing why they would only pave one strip of the lot for the sport unless it's for a pop-up tournament or something. But apparently Chicago's lacking in courts.

https://www.axios.com/local/chicago/2023/06/14/pickleball-courts-chicago

ardecila Jul 12, 2023 2:41 AM

Those courts are gonna just bake in the sun, with zero greenery around for blocks. Hard pass from me...

SolarWind Jul 19, 2023 11:30 PM

July 18, 2023




LouisVanDerWright Jul 22, 2023 8:25 PM

I'm sorry but trends like this are so stupid. Pickleball? Really?

BuildThemTaller Jul 23, 2023 5:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 9997628)
I'm sorry but trends like this are so stupid. Pickleball? Really?

Why are we angry about pickleball? What did pickleball ever do to you?

ardecila Jul 23, 2023 5:53 PM

It's not for me, but seems like a clever way to make some money from the land while they wait to put the bigger deal together.

Sure beats the hell out of a 'temporary' parking lot. Fortunately the landscape and stormwater ordinances have largely discouraged "temporary" parking lots since the requirements to do parking are now pretty expensive. Weirdly, Sterling Bay did one at 360 N Green, landscape and all, and it only lasted a few years.

Chi-Sky21 Jul 23, 2023 11:54 PM

Why wouldn't you want to activate what looks like otherwise would be a vacant space? That is a lot of courts. Gets people out, they play , they probably go out to eat or drink around there after.

Kngkyle Jul 24, 2023 3:52 PM

I applaud them for making the site usable for something other than parking or collecting garbage while waiting for financing/leasing to come through.

Klippenstein Aug 1, 2023 1:42 AM

Pickleball Pop-Up Opening in Fulton Market

Quote:

Big City Pickle is opening a temporary location on a vacant lot at the corner of Green and Lake Street that will operate for at least the next year. The grand opening is Aug. 9, but the courts could open this week, said Marc Boltz, president of Chicago Sport & Social Club. The courts will operate 11 a.m.-10 p.m. daily, Boltz said.

Created in partnership with Chicago Sport & Social Club and We Love Pop Ups, Big City Pickle has two locations in Gold Coast and Goose Island.

The Fulton Market location will start off with nine courts, but will eventually expand to 40 by spring, Boltz said. The company plans to enclose some of the courts during the winter so that players can compete in inclement weather.

twister244 Aug 1, 2023 3:26 AM

So is this even a proposal anymore then? 40 courts by Spring suggests this thing isn't getting off the ground anytime soon.....

lakeshoredrive Aug 1, 2023 3:33 AM

I have a feeling the project is on ice or dead

Toasty Joe Aug 1, 2023 3:38 AM

Cool with waiting for projects to fill in and induce demand for a taller and better looking tower for this site. Again, it's a premiere location for a WL supertall

r18tdi Aug 2, 2023 1:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lakeshoredrive (Post 10004101)
I have a feeling the project is on ice or dead

Definitely not dead, but the timeline is TBD.

SolarWind Sep 10, 2023 11:57 AM

September 7, 2023






BrinChi Sep 13, 2023 2:07 PM

Who has access to those pickleball courts? I assume they must be rented?

r18tdi Sep 13, 2023 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrinChi (Post 10037356)
Who has access to those pickleball courts? I assume they must be rented?

Let me google that for you.

https://www.chicagocitypickle.com/fulton-market

twister244 Sep 22, 2023 3:38 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53206085715_4a4c55f0e8_c.jpg

Is this another one of those "Bring your kids this weekend to checkout construction equipment" events, or is there some teeth to earth moving equipment being onsite? Just snapped this......

Zapatan Sep 22, 2023 3:59 PM

Woah is this happening?


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