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Proposed project: 3 downtown towers, one up to 65 stories

From the article:

$500 million mixed use project

It'll occupy 3 acres at East Cesar Chavez and Red River streets near Waller Creek.

Condos/Hotel tower - 65 floors

Apartment tower - 35 to 45 floors

Office tower - 17 to 20 floors

The project would include retail and likely restaurant space in a riverwalk setting.

Groundbreaking - mid to late 2014.

They plan to file a site plan with the city within 90 days.

http://i.imgur.com/fqnBs0M.jpg

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The three blue towers are part of the project. The two buildings shown in the rendering that are not part of the project are: The Shore Condominiums which is 257 feet tall, and the Lakeside Apartments which is 147 feet tall.

The shorter building, which is the office building, seems to be 225 to 250 feet. The middle tower seems to be 475 to 500 feet. The tallest one I would estimate is around 750 feet.

But, assuming the floor-to-floor heights are the same for this tower as they are for the W Hotel & Residences, which is both hotel and condos, it could be as tall as 829 feet then, but the rendering doesn't seem to show it that tall.

New design:

We have a new design with one tower for this site. This is estimated to be a supertall.

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Never saw this coming. Are these guys fairly heavy hitters ?

:) " MAN! " Austin is another city ' on fire '.

Exciting times to live in Austin!

Fantastic! Love the look of the complex as well.

This is right next door to the proposed Fairmont hotel is it not?

Hopefully this comes to fruition, Austin is on fire.. and it seems that the center of downtown is shifting closer to the river and further away from the Capital/6th street coridoor.

Waller Creek tunnel may be the best money Austin has ever spent.

I just had a building orgasm:slob:

How long was the spire? :D

Some of you mentioned schematics of sort. I cannot find any in this thread or within the article.

I posted the rendering up there. Can you not see it?

Statesman.com is trying out a new "MyStatesman" paid subscription deal. After May 11th articles won't be shown in full. You'll have to pay to read the full article. But, they are still allowing a preview of the new system and they're allowing full articles to be read.

Just click on 'continue reading'
http://www.statesman.com/news/business/proposed-project-3-downtown-towers-one-up-to-65-st/nXdk3/

The rendering has been added to the article now and there's also a map showing where this will be. The rendering is showing the site from the northwest looking southeast. This project would be in Southeastern downtown, near the river and I-35. You can see a sliver of the river on the right hand side of the rendering. I-35 would be behind the buildings 2 blocks to the east. There are no height restrictions in that area of downtown since it is not within the Capitol View Corridor. There is also another project, the 50-story Fairmont Hotel that is planned caddy corner to the office tower of this project. There's also a 39-story residential tower planned for a site just west of this project.

KVUE did a mock rendering of the project. It should be noted that these are NOT the designs. ^The building on the left kind of looks like One Canada Square in London, and the one on the right is Houston's Memorial Medical Plaza (shrunk a bit). I'm not sure what building that is in the middle.

Proposed towers possibly Austin's tallest buildings

The problem is on my end. I can see the renderings when viewing with my phone. However I cannot see them on the work laptop.

Nice proposal Austin!

I think this project has a good chance of getting off the ground. Some of the financing is already in place, and I think the rest should be coming soon because all of the large downtown condo towers are virtually sold out, and condos are a large component of the 65-story tower. Prices for condos have soared due to the low supply. The fact that all of the residential projects under construction are apartments is surprising considering the lack of available condos.

I calculated a height of 975 feet for the tallest tower in the complex, but this doesn't include architectural features which could make this tower higher than 1,000 feet.

My main concern (which has been voiced by others in the Austin section) is that the developers pulled a bait and switch with another property immediately before this proposal was announced. They had plans for twin 50-story apartment towers near this proposal, and they sold the land to a Houston developer who promptly announced an 8-story suburban style apartment development (on a site that had no height limitations!)

How in the world do you get a nearly a 1,000 feet for a 65 floor condo/hotel tower? It'd be hard to get that kind of height out of a 65-story office building.

I accidentally calculated using office floor height so that was a big mistake, and I don't think it would be that hard to get it out of an office building. The Transbay Tower has 61 floors and is over 1,000 feet tall.

However after changing the height of the floors to a more realistic 8 feet floor to ceiling height I only got 520 feet which is still not bad. This excludes architectural features however.

^EDIT, only using the 8 foot floor to ceiling height, though, doesn't include mechanical and slab height between floors.

Yeah, I'm thinking more like 750 feet or so going by the rendering. The Austonian has 56 floors and it's 683 feet. This tower would have a hotel use also. Comparing it to the W Austin Hotel & Residences which has hotel and condos, that building is 472 feet with 37 floors. So I guess on the high side this new tower could be up to 829 feet. It's possible I guess that if they tacked on a crown and spire that it could reach 1,000 feet, but who knows.

Kevin, let's back up a bit here: it's possible I guess that this building could be built, but who really knows.

A 1,000' tower+spire there would be ridiculous. I'm not against it. But I won't hold my breath.

I would actually like something tall there. Can you imagine? I've always loved waterfront skylines, and this would really make a big impact on that. Think Detroit's Renaissance Center.

Yes, it would be very dramatic.

There are a total of three permits related to demolition at the development site. They are for 96 and 96 1/2 Red River:

https://www.austintexas.gov/devreview/b_showpublicpermitfolderdetails.jsp?FolderRSN=10978664
https://www.austintexas.gov/devreview/b_showpublicpermitfolderdetails.jsp?FolderRSN=10999546
https://www.austintexas.gov/devreview/b_showpublicpermitfolderdetails.jsp?FolderRSN=10976900

96 Red River is a now abandoned warehouse:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7361/9522074239_8c51fe4a8e_m.jpg

96 1/2 Red River is a house:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7390/9524849176_c3715b284e_m.jpg

The demolitions are on the part of the site where the 65-story tower would be.

Here's a new rendering:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7440/9663045236_7b6b3a0ea2_b.jpg

Wow!

Holy. Shit. They are not fucking around now.

I had just figured this out right before you posted and was about to comment again...

Maybe we should take them seriously then, as this firm had a hand in all of the following:

W Hotel and Residences
Four Seasons Residences
Gables Park Plaza
Cirrus Logic

The rendering and design are not by them, but they have it on their own website. If you click there, you'll notice they're only doing:

In other words, the design is already done by someone else and they're moving it along in practice for all intents and purposes. We may actually be able to take this project seriously.





Disclaimer: I posted this same response in the other Waller Center thread and the Projects and Construction thread.

Awesome. I'm liking all the different shades in the glass.

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/at-the-watercooler/2013/09/waller-center-moving-forward.html

This guy obviously reads SSP. He mentioned SSP as a good resource in a recent article about the Green project. All of his info in this article can be gleaned from SSP.

That was my thought exactly as I was reading it. He quite obviously was reading some of our comments.

• Tower A - 21-Story Office Building
• Tower B - 46-Story Residential High-Rise
• Tower C - 38-Story Mixed-Use Tower

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http://downtownaustinblog.org/2013/09/16/plans-evolve-for-rainey-streets-waller-center/

Are those new renderings?

If so, this project took a nosedive.

Yep, new renderings.

The office building looks outdated, the rest is okay I guess.

man i liked the old renderings :(

Yuck. Those look like some mid-90s Sim City inspired college project.

And actually some of those horizontal windows and the shifting facades with a mix of glass and stone remind me of mid-century design.

Also the color and angles remind me a bit of the Omni convention center hotel in Fort Worth.

These look more trendy to me, the previous rendering looks like it could endure style wise. What's the deal though the renderings are only a week or two apart?

Eeeew, those new renderings look awful.

Ugh. That office tower is terrible. Overall, there's just too much going on. I feel like I am tripping on acid if I look at the rendering for too long.

If you read SSP, go back to the original design. That thing was making me jealous that Austin gets all the good stuff. The new one makes me want to barf.

Ugh-ly.

The riverwalk looks nice though

Ouch! Downgrade. It's certainly better than nothing. The residential tower is passable, but the execution of the terra cotta on the bases of the other two towers is just terrible.

Permits have been submitted for the Great Streets program.

https://www.austintexas.gov/devreview/b_showpublicpermitfolderdetails.jsp?FolderRSN=11048802

And utilities.

ftp://ftp.ci.austin.tx.us/ATD_AULCC/1312...CENTER_UTILITY%20AND%20SITE%20LAYOUT.pdf

A few updates with this project. They've filed a site plan with the city now:
https://www.austintexas.gov/devreview/b_showpublicpermitfolderdetails.jsp?FolderRSN=11055030

Also they've changed the name. It's now called Waller Park Place. And they buildings are listed as being a few floors taller than what we heard before with towers of 50+, 40+ and 25+ floors.

At the link is a drawing by the Downtown Austin Blog of the shape and location and rough height of the towers. According to this, the tallest one appears to be over 500 feet.

The other three highlighted lots are showing three other projects in the area. The 50-story Fairmont Hotel, the 39-story 99 Trinity Tower and the 16-story Hotel Van Zandt which just put up a crane this week.

http://downtownaustinblog.org/2013/11/25/waller-park-place-submits-site-plan-for-3-towers/

Updated renderings.

http://www.ibigroup.com/projects/waller-park-place

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This says it'll break ground this fall.

http://www.statesman.com/news/business/ny-investment-firm-joins-400-million-waller-creek-/nfHdH/

These designs are not good at all, and only slightly better than the last. :-(

I like the triangular tower somewhat, but the others bother me. The tall square one reminds me too much of Spring.

This article from today is still using the rendering for the other design.

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/blog/r...rs-owner-to-back-new-skyscrapers-in.html

I'm thinking McCourt and his money will get some good renderings out there for us.

Some larger renderings that were posted to the Sutton Company's Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Sutton-Company/684070025013000

Also some heights that were released with some marketing information back in February.

Tower A - Office Tower - 258 feet "mech" - 21 floors

Tower B - Residential Tower - 501 feet "T.O.A." - 45 floors

Tower C - Hotel & Residential Tower - 576 feet - "T.O.P." - 52 floors

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