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This building is so cool :cheers:
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I really wish Tishman Speyer went at least 1,400 ft with this. I know the originally touted "Hudson Spire" was a placeholder and total vision, but had thought they wanted to make this the prominent focal point of the area. Now it's just one of several roughly 1,000 ft buildings, give or take. Then it would not only have its own character(I've warmed to the building somewhat) but prominence... still, a couple of years from now with 50 Hudson Yards, the Spiral, 3 Hudson Yards ,Manhattan West, with the possibility of the Frank Mc Court building(residential or mixed use) nearby, very nice fill in to the Midtown West area. And who knows if some other possibilities can still emerge as the currently planned towers go up and sell out.
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Agreed, 1000 feet is okay but nothing special in NYC. I really like the design of the building though. I believe there is a second phase to HY as well as other sites in midtown which could yield 1,400+ foot buildings. |
Tishman is building to lease space, noto make a skyline icon. There are buildings in the city of this size that aren't even this height.
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Great news that this joins the super tall section. We now have 11 threads where its 300m+. 12 if you count 2 WTC, which isn't going anywhere. :(
But nevertheless, good news. Let this soak in, but prior to 2008 (before BOA was complete), NYC had just three super talls (NY Times, Chrysler, and ESB). Complete that is, as the Twins were not around at that time. If we go to 2010, 4 supertalls with the completion of Bank of America. Fast forward to 2014, with the completion of One57 and NY Times (which kinda cheats with its pencil spire, but nevertheless, at a respectable 1,046 ft. 4 years later.... 4 YEARS later, we have 11 super talls U/C, 1 on-hold. In 4 years, we literally doubled the EXISTING count. WHEN all is SET and DONE, there will be 24 super talls, assuming 80 South, 145 East 60th (if it becomes reality @ 1000-1200 ft), 247 Cherry, and 262 5th. Can't forget JP Morgans future HQ. So 25! :cheers: IF NYC was a country of its own, it would have more super talls than all other countries combined bar UAE and China. The rate NYC is going, might eclipse Dubai in the near future. A lot can happen 2018+, so the count might increase as there are several large assemblages at play. But anyways, happy friday and :cheers: :D:) |
Also 9 towers from 900-980 ft complete or u/c and one proposal (520 5th). So 10 potentially in that range from this point. More bound to rise.
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The sheer volume of all those throughout New York City, especially Manhattan, is tremendously exciting. No doubt in my mind though that Tishman Speyer dropped the ball by it's shortsighted focus on functionality and space. Has the right of course to build how they want, but where they will be could have made an impressive exclamation point to the bold vision of a skyward looking Midtown West. It's still a great building, and very distinctive with the ziggurat like cut through and gardens throughout.
But the key of course is just how grand New York's skyward vision is... potentially dozens of 800 ft plus towers, a good portion of them supertalls. The volume and scope is jaw dropping as mentioned... yeah, many places build flashier and higher but few skylines are as impressively organic and fitting as the NYC one. It is the most breathtaking taken overall, and in the coming decade will be even more bold and proud. |
TS didn't drop the ball. The Hudson Yards rezoning was put in place specifically so developers could build office towers with larger floorplates. That's it, and it is succeeding faster than was expected. That anybody in New York could be complaining about a need for this tower to be taller is ridiculous. Would we take a taller tower? Who wouldn't. Does the city need this tower to be taller? No, it dies not.
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I think the problem is, we are spoiled. We’re in the midst of a building boom not seen since the 1920’s. A 300 meter tower would be big news in any other American city save for Chicago. In NYC, it mostly blends in with surrounding towers. Still, I think the J.P. Morgan tower is going to be at least as tall as 1VB, if not more so. Both TD Bank and BofA have impressive, skyline changing structures (well, BofA was up until relatively recently), and I’m sure JP Morgan would like to make a statement, especially given it’s close proximity to them. Also, JP Morgan isn’t renting space, it’s developing the building for itself. They have reason to put something magnificent in the sky. |
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Meanwhile, the numbers for 50 Hudson and the Spiral keep leapfrogging each other slightly. This one seems to be pushing away slightly more. Not sure what the final number here will be, but the FAA studies put the corners of the building at 1,064 ft. https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...501469&row=395 https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external...501471&row=397 Quote:
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Nice! :cheers:
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Then again, here's where we were at the last zoning diagram...
http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...9Fhytmo.g1.JPG And now with the latest update available... http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...yCLQ0VW.d1.JPG http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...zy67JIP.d2.JPG And here's the elevation view, which makes me believe the FAA numbers are in error, or diagram just hasn't been updated. http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...HVx1eyQ.d3.JPG |
The diagram makes it look like some sort of exploded view Miesian box.
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Given then elevation is seems 1031 is the roof height. Lately I've seen 1005 as the height figure for this building so it's still a bit of a height bump :shrug: |
hopefully they change the name because its barely waving a hanky at spiraling.
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I doubt they change it. That's the whole "gimmick" of the building. It does have its alternative name (the address) like all buildings.
Looking at the graphics, it looks like some mechanical floors were put into the middle. I like that. Adds character. |
If it wrapped around one more time... would be such a more complete design :/
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But this design, if stretched through one more cycle of the spiral, could look like more of a modern variation of the MetLife North tower that was never built to full height...11 Madison. http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...ticleLarge.jpg http://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1/...1015141201.png |
^ I've never seen MetLife with a square top like that, where did you find this?
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That never built tower has way more grace than the Spiral.
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The Spiral is a tower more along the lines of the RCA/GE Building or Pan Am than a soaring tower like the Empire State. It's just a lot taller because it's being built today. There's a whole line of older towers in NY that would be supertalls if built today by default. The Spiral and 50 Hudson go in that class. |
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With all the new construction, why hasn't anyone proposed actually finishing the MetLife tower to its intended 1450-1550' height? I'm curious as to the cost vs new construction of a ~1500' tower with the same square footage.
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It's a very nice tower, and I imagine there would be very high demand for additional space in that location, but maybe there are zoning obstacles. |
^ That's one of my longshot dreams.
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As seen in post #776, there's still a lot of low rises or 4-6 story range structures that need the wrecking ball. A lot of potential or parcels that are ripe for towers. (North of the pits)
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Like the equally large and as-of-right 270 Park Avenue, this one needs some minor modifications to the zoning text...
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https://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/...8/12/66hb1.jpg https://newyorkyimby.com/wp-content/...8/12/66hb2.jpg Tishman Speyer’s BIG Supertall Spiral Gets Ready To Rise Above Ground At 66 Hudson Boulevard, In Hudson Yards District Quote:
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I read that the tower crane went up this weekend. Can anyone confirm?
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Those pits are a lot deeper than I thought.
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In other cities, they pound 150 stakes into swamp sludge and attach skyscrapers to the top of these skinny poles. In New York we attach buildings to the rocky crust of the earth.
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The Spiral may have gotten a crane up first, but as of now, 50 Hudson still has the early lead. It will be fun to see this "race" to the top. Wager amongst yourselves.
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Thanks, meant to cross post that here :D |
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Isn't this considered U/C by now?
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CTBUH lists them both as u/c. |
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