Winnipeg | Osborne Place | 257 Osborne St. | 26M | 6F | U/C

[buzzg]

Welp, we should all email the councillors to only approve this on the condition that the tower part actually be built, and that it be white like the rest of the building (or at least not straight concrete). Based on how slowly/poorly this thing has progressed, council should have good reason to not allow this phased approach, knowing phase 2 will likely never happen.

Can't just throw up a 5 level parkade at such a prominent intersection. IIRC it would go against the Corydon-Osborne Area Plan too.

[optimusREIM]

Couldn't find the phased thing anywhere. Anyways, we shouldn't settle at that corner. I have a hard time believing that there wouldn't be demand for rentals at that location. They could probably build even more units and have no problem selling due to the proximity to major bus routes

[borkborkbork]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Couldn't find the phased thing anywhere. Anyways, we shouldn't settle at that corner. I have a hard time believing that there wouldn't be demand for rentals at that location. They could probably build even more units and have no problem selling due to the proximity to major bus routes

so many questions here. i mean, 134 parking stalls for 75 apartments? there's an impark lot a block north with 100 stalls that's almost completely empty. how do the economics of this make any sense? or is it that the half-built tower next door can't get leased without parking nearby?

[DancingDuck]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

or is it that the half-built tower next door can't get leased without parking nearby?

^^^ That is likely the case... As for Phase 2 being divided into 2 phases itself, this was from the first board of adjustment hearing in 2018, the note at the bottom left explains it:

Originally Posted by EndoftheBeginning

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by borkborkbork

so many questions here. i mean, 134 parking stalls for 75 apartments? there's an impark lot a block north with 100 stalls that's almost completely empty. how do the economics of this make any sense? or is it that the half-built tower next door can't get leased without parking nearby?

This is a big part of it, but it actually makes sense to build a public parkade here for potential future development around Confusion Corner, Osborne Station etc. Also, most of those Impark lots will be developed in the next 18 months except the southernmost?

[buzzg]

So I'm not the best at understanding the technical language in these documents, but it sounds like the current zoning for this property doesn't allow them to build the residential part of this building yet. Need to rezone from commercial to TOD, which has been recommended. So maybe they'd just build it all at once if they can get it rezoned?


http://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/View...onId=&InitUrl=

Last few links, goes to committee Friday.

[buzzg]

The rezoning to TOD was approved.

"The building will include residential units, commercial areas for a restaurant and planned cooking school, and the city’s first robotic parking garage, along with bike parking.

"The bike stalls, the plaza space, the location next to the rapid transit line, the juxtaposition of the parkade and the rooftop is artful," Rollins said. "This is an example of growing up and out.""

Transit-oriented development a first for the city

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ou....html#cxrecs_s

[LilZebra]

This is not the first robotic parking system in Winnipeg. There used to be one of the first in North America across from the Marlborough Hotel and was initially installed in April 1957.


https://imgur.com/a/RaxBYuM

[Spocket]

Just not a fan of this phase of the project. I mean, I like that it improves density and adds to the cityscape but it's just such an ugly throwback based on the renderings. It reminds me of this:

[esquire]

Interesting that history is repeating itself with the automated parking system. The one at the Marlborough didn't last long before being replaced with a conventional parkade, but I suppose it's probably an understatement to say that the technology has likely evolved since 1957.

[davequanbury]

Originally Posted by LilZebra

This is not the first robotic parking system in Winnipeg. There used to be one of the first in North America across from the Marlborough Hotel and was initially installed in April 1957.

Nice find!

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by esquire

Interesting that history is repeating itself with the automated parking system. The one at the Marlborough didn't last long before being replaced with a conventional parkade, but I suppose it's probably an understatement to say that the technology has likely evolved since 1957.

The technology is not without its problems. I almost recall a story I saw on CBS 2 New York in the past few months about one of the elevators failing and a lot of cars held hostage in it. Trying to find the original news item via DuckDuckGo but no results yet. Could have gone into the "memory hole". I'm not sure.

Another story about a robotic parkade in Mumbai India fails 5 yrs. after installation.

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/...w/24170189.cms

The idea is not new, as accrding to Wikipedia, dates back to 1905 in Paris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automa...system#History

[zalf]

I've been noticing the excavator parked in different places each time I've walked past here since the summer.

Not exactly humming with activity, but something has been happening here.

[Biff]

I have said this before, but I really wish they would complete the finishes on the first building. I hate the way the balcony area looks. Someone on here previously argued with be saying it is in fact complete, but there is no way it is. That galvanized looking steel frame can't be the balcony finish. There is no way that is code. The steel only acts as a upper and lower frame to the balcony railing. There is a 2-3 ft gap with nothing to protect from falling out. I believe in the original renders there is supposed to be a smoked glass covering the steel.

Maybe they will finish it when they get some tenants.

Found it:

[bomberjet]

It looks like crap and I wouldn't believe it's complete.

[buzzg]

No way it's complete but they probably don't have a dollar more to spend since they have no tenants (since they have no parking). City should step in and force their hand or revoke occupancy permits – just like when they made that building on Maryland redo the finishings to what was approved.

Also don't understand how they haven't/aren't building a fence separating the parking lot from the sidewalk and bike lane. It's completely open right now as one surface, it's very dangerous and certainly does not meet the code requirements for decorative fencing.

[buzzg]

The other CRU (facing Confusion) is full, barbershop opening there soon.

Any updates on phase 2? The bobcat is still parked there.

Also - how the hell did they get a way with no putting a decorative fence up between the parking lot and sidewalk, it's fucking horrendous? They put parking curbs a long it which makes me think that's all they intend to do? There's also exit ramp-style medal "fence" along the lane portion. It's so awful.

[bomberjet]

Previously the money mart was there. So I dont think their property abutted the road. So would t have been part of their plan approval.

[rivercity]

Watched a vehicle drive down the bike lane and pull in to that parking lot just the other day