City Murder Rates - Page 140

ssiguy · #**2781** Posted **Apr 6, 2021, 7:52 PM**

Due to Black Lives Matter, many police departments are withdrawing from high crime black communities as they are afraid of any repercussions even when the arrest is both justified and proper procedures are followed. They are simply too afraid of being labelled as anti-black and racist {hence losing their jobs} no matter what the situation.

BLM was a needed movement to finally get the grotesque and nauseating inequity of both the policing and justice systems of how blacks were treated vs their white counterparts into the public discussion and political realm.

Unfortunately cowardly politicians are playing right into the hands of the more extreme elements with these truly ridiculous ideas of defunding the police. Now, you have the consequences of black people being more endangered than before as the police simply withdraw and let nature takes it's course and with the fast rising murder rates, the consequences of such folly are evident.

photoLith · #**2782** Posted **Apr 6, 2021, 9:04 PM**

Man, I was just looking at Philly murder rate, its gone up by almost twice since 2014 and its up by 29% compared to a year ago. So far there are 125 murders this year in Philly compared to 97 this time last year. 78% are black, 8% or so white.

Philly year end murders for 2020 was 499 (with 2240 shootings up by 40% since 2019), compared to 356 murders in 2019.

Philly in 2020 beat even the highest year for murders and that was 1990 at 497 murders. So 2021 will be the most violent year ever by far if it keeps it up.

A lot of this doesnt make much sense, I just looked at Baltimore, a largely black city obviously and 2020 had 335 murders and 2017 had 342. So unlike Philly, Baltimore murder rates are roughly staying the same. Whats the deal with that?

jtown,man · #**2783** Posted **Apr 6, 2021, 9:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by ssiguy

Due to Black Lives Matter, many police departments are withdrawing from high crime black communities as they are afraid of any repercussions even when the arrest is both justified and proper procedures are followed. They are simply too afraid of being labelled as anti-black and racist {hence losing their jobs} no matter what the situation.

BLM was a needed movement to finally get the grotesque and nauseating inequity of both the policing and justice systems of how blacks were treated vs their white counterparts into the public discussion and political realm.

Unfortunately cowardly politicians are playing right into the hands of the more extreme elements with these truly ridiculous ideas of defunding the police. Now, you have the consequences of black people being more endangered than before as the police simply withdraw and let nature takes it's course and with the fast rising murder rates, the consequences of such folly are evident.

I actually hope they get their wish.

In Chicago, let's meet with BLM Chicago and ask them what neighborhoods they don't want any police in and make it law. There will be more police in some neighborhoods and then we can see the real-life consequences of not having police at all in other areas.

You can always tell how braindead someone is when they go further and say ABOLISH POLICE LOL ....umm ok big man, what you gonna do when you are getting carjacked? Go run after your car and then recover it? These kids never think anything through.

Acajack · #**2784** Posted **Apr 6, 2021, 9:46 PM**

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Originally Posted by jtown,man

Well, my only question would be what % of people cops chase end up getting shot. Thats the only metric that matters.

If I lived in a city that was considering this, I'd really like to take a good hard look at the cost-benefit pros and cons of letting suspects run away...

jtown,man · #**2785** Posted **Apr 6, 2021, 11:59 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

If I lived in a city that was considering this, I'd really like to take a good hard look at the cost-benefit pros and cons of letting suspects run away...

Same.

For SOME reason, I think allowing criminal suspects to just run away isn't a good idea. I have no idea where that thought comes from, but yeah LOL

SIGSEGV · #**2786** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 12:33 AM**

Note that changing policy with regard to foot pursuits is not the same thing as banning them. I'm surprised it wasn't already part of the CPD consent decree.

edit: it's right there on page 51: http://chicagopoliceconsentdecree.or...-JUDGE-DOW.pdf

jtown,man · #**2787** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 1:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV

Note that changing policy with regard to foot pursuits is not the same thing as banning them. I'm surprised it wasn't already part of the CPD consent decree.

edit: it's right there on page 51: http://chicagopoliceconsentdecree.or...-JUDGE-DOW.pdf

The mayor needs better messaging then. She appeared to be just trying to appease activists.

I just don't understand the issue; if someone is running away that is the EXACT person the cops probably want to get and arrest.

Steely Dan · #**2788** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 2:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by jtown,man

The mayor needs better messaging then. She appeared to be just trying to appease activists.

Then her messaging is probably on point.

To keep her job, lori does not need to appease people who think like you do. Your poltical tribe is a SEVERE minority within the city of chicago and does not have the numbers to be of much political consequence to the mayor.

On the other hand, those so-called "activists" you so clearly despise, they actually do hold political clout in this town and very well could mobilize against her to try to boot her out. Keeping them appeased to a certain degree is very much in her political interest.

SIGSEGV · #**2789** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 2:03 AM**

What's unsurprising is that it seems almost no visible progress has been made on this consent decree (not that I've been following that closely). The consent decree states:

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By no later than January 1, 2021, the Monitor will complete an assessment of CPD data and information to determine whether CPD should adopt a foot pursuit policy. If the Monitor recommends that CPD should adopt a foot pursuit policy, CPD will adopt a foot pursuit policy no later than July 1, 2021. Any foot pursuit policy adopted by CPD will be subject to review and approval by the Monitor and OAG.

edit: The CPD has this handy table to show how bad of a job they're doing with complying with the federally-mandated consent decree: https://home.chicagopolice.org/stati...nce-dashboard/

Acajack · #**2790** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 2:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Then her messaging is probably on point.

To keep her job, lori does not need to appease people who think like you do. Your tribe is a SEVERE minority within the city of chicago and does not have the numbers to be of much political consequence to the mayor.

On the other hand, those so-called "activists" you so clearly despise, they actually do hold political sway in this town and very well could mobilize to help boot her out. Keeping them appeased to a certain degree is very much in her political interest.

Holy cow. That much? Activists have a role to play of course but a city's governance is a coming together of a community of interests.

Any city where they hold that much sway is going to be in serious trouble.

Just my humble opinion.

SIGSEGV · #**2791** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 2:17 AM**

Due to her time on the Police Accountability Task Force, Lori is seen as very pro-police by a lot of people.

Steely Dan · #**2792** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 2:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

Activists have a role to play of course but a city's governance is a coming together of a community of interests.

Of course.

But BLM activists and their sympathizers have enough numbers in chicago that the mayor simply has to be tuned into their frequency and pay attention to them or she might not be mayor anymore. Appeasing them (even if just lip service messaging) is in her interest.

But the opinions of the several dozen trump supporting republicans like jtown can be very safely ignored (in a political sense) by the mayor. They do not have the numbers to be of any political consequence whatsoever within the city.

In fact, actively disparaging that crowd is actually in her political interest. Politics in chicago is a blood sport, always has been. This isn't a "let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya together" kinda city. The soft get eaten alive here.

KevinFromTexas · #**2793** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 4:34 AM**

2021 Austin Metro Murders

| Austin 22 | Travis Co. 24 | Bastrop Co. 0 | Caldwell Co. 0 | Hays Co. 2 | Williamson Co. 2 | Metro 28 |

Causes metrowide
Shooting - 22
Stabbing - 1
Strangled - 0
Suffocation - 0
Throwing (of child) - 0
Beating - 0
Vehicular homicide - 0
Blunt force trauma - 0
Sharp force trauma - 0
Unlisted cause - 5
Domestic terrorism - 0

Austin totals
Downtown - 1
Central Austin - 2
East Austin - 2
North Austin - 4
Northeast Austin - 3
Northwest Austin - 2
South Austin - 3
Southeast Austin - 5
Southwest Austin - 0
West Austin - 0

Victims
Male - 19
Female - 6
Unlisted - 3

| Jan 7 | Feb 9 | Mar 11 | Apr 1 | May 0 | Jun 0 | Jul 0 | Aug 0 | Sep 0 | Oct 0 | Nov 0 | Dec 0 |

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| Mon 4 | Tue 6 | Wed 3 | Thur 4 | Fri 2 | Sat 4 | Sun 5 |

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Murder cases

Code:

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspect-charged-with-capital-murder-after-man-was-found-dead-in-round-rock/?utm_campaign=alert_bar&utm_source=side_bullets - Round Rock shooting - 1/9

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-northeast-austin - Austin shooting - 1/11

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-5000-brighton-road - Austin shooting - 1/18

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/01/22/hays-county-sheriffs-office-investigating-apparent-shooting/6681601002/ - Buda shooting - 1/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-killed-after-shootout-between-two-groups-at-north-austin-complex-police-say/ - Austin shooting - 1/23

2 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-1912-w-35th-street - Austin shooting - 1/26

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/one-person-dead-after-shooting-in-north-austin/?fbclid=IwAR2QlQlGL89M9QlIMXNDSAU9spvMEhu31Cpqo8Jsl-tQaPXWOlrPLuNNY4o - Austin shooting - 1/29

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-east-austin-2/ - Austin shooting - 2/2

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/police-investigating-suspicious-death-in-southeast-austin-3/ - Austin obvious trauma - 2/3

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspicious-death-being-investigated-in-central-austin/ - Austin shooting - 2/6

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/elderly-couple-found-dead-in-suspected-murder-suicide-at-cedar-park-home/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR2d0OJqQ9Lwib8K-06sGBipshijYzvjNIcP2vCkMkef1W-GjrUamnIZ9ws - Cedar Park murder/suicide - 2/9

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/19-year-old-man-stabbed-and-killed-northeast-austin-fight-police-say/ - Austin stabbing - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-faces-murder-charge-after-wife-found-dead-at-south-austin-hotel-room/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/16

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/toddler-dies-during-february-winter-storm-austin-police-investigating-as-homicide/ - Austin unlisted cause - 2/18

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/travis-county-deputies-investigate-possible-murder-suicide-involving-two-male-relatives/ - Pflugervile shooting - 2/19

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/one-man-dead-after-shooting-at-north-austin-apartment-complex/ - Austin shooting - 2/28

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-downtown-austin-early-sunday-morning/ - Austin shooting - 3/14

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-arrested-on-murder-charge-after-san-marcos-woman-found-dead-on-backyard-patio/ - San Marcos body found - 3/15

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/homicide-investigation-underway-after-death-thursday-morning-in-north-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/18

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/one-person-dies-in-southeast-austin-shooting/ - Austin shooting - 3/21

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-reporting-to-scene-of-shooting-incident-in-northwest-austin-residents-should-avoid-the-area/ - Austin shooting - 3/22

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-suspicious-death-in-south-austin-neighborhood/ - Austin shooting - 3/25

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-6600-block-bradley-dr - Austin shooting - 3/27

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/man-taken-to-a-hospital-with-life-threatening-injuries-after-shooting-at-east-austin-home/ - Austin shooting - 3/28

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-11100-block-n-ih-35-svrd - Austin shooting - 3/28 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-homicide-in-nw-austin/ - Austin shooting - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/leander-texas-police-knife-suspect/269-2018951c-a1c4-4d00-b9b4-c543b4ff4e3a - Leander stabbing - 3/31

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-deadly-shooting-in-se-austin/ - Austin shooting - 4/6

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Pending cases

Code:

1 dead - https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/apd-investigating-deceased-person-in-hotel-room-in-north-central-austin - 2/14 

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/18-year-old-found-dead-on-recycling-center-conveyor-belt-in-travis-county/ - 3/24

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/28-year-old-dies-morning-after-fight-at-east-austin-strip-club-suspect-arrested/ - Austin beating - 4/7

Austin area population

City: 964,254 (July 1, 2018 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,273,954 (July 1, 2019 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,227,083 (July 1, 2019 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau

Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia

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KevinFromTexas · #**2794** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 6:15 AM**

I don't know, I think the notion that the police drawing back some policies is somehow causing crime to rise kind of destroys the logic by some that the police don't stop crimes from happening, and that only an armed society does. Gun crimes are way up in Austin, which now stand at representing 78% of the murders here at the moment. 22 of 28 murders are with a gun. And that's in a city full of gun hating liberals, but surprise, they're also high in gun loving conservative cities in Texas. Not to beat the gun drum again, so I think it's a combination of things. Yes, guns are to blame for sure. But there's more to it than that. A perception by some that the police won't come after you, which is an insanely false assumption could be part of it, even if it isn't true. I think the other more relevant parts of the picture are the ones that are unique to our present day moment in history. People are staying home in close quarters, which isn't so good for mental health, at least, for some it isn't. Some people handle it just fine like claustrophobia or any other unpleasant experience while others don't. There's the financial distress factor, loneliness, fear and paranoia of the unknown, etc. Nothing about this time is normal, so it's going to be really hard to peg any one cause.

I document and record every murder case here and post them, even recording the day of the week they're happening, but one thing I haven't followed is race, just because I think it's largely pointless to do so since crime happens with every race and for all kinds of reasons. We can blame BLM if we want to, but in Austin, black people make up a very small minority of the population compared to white and Hispanic people. Gun crime is up here across all races here. The one commonality with them is drugs, lack of education and lacking financial stability.

As I've said on the forum in the Covid thread, I'm a numbers/statistics geek. I've always been. My discovery of Skyscraperpage was as much about numbers/stats as it was about urban/skyscraper geekdom.

Here is the month by month numbers for Austin going back to 2013. I was also reading a post of mine from 2007 where I posted about there being 5 or 6 murders in July of that year, and that it was the highest total for a month in Austin in 15 years. That was in 2007. Now, compare the numbers.

2021 - Jan 7, Feb 9, Mar 11,
2020 - Jan 6, Feb 6, Mar 9, Apr 4, May 5, Jun 9, Jul 5, Aug 6, Sep 5, Oct 6, Nov 6, Dec 2
2019 - Jan 4, Feb 7, Mar 4, Apr 4, May 5, Jun 5, Jul 6, Aug 6, Sep 2, Oct 1, Nov 5, Dec 8
2018 - Jan 4, Feb 1, Mar 8, Apr 3, May 4, Jun 5, Jul 2, Aug 5, Sep 8, Oct 1, Nov 3, Dec 1
2017 - Jan 1, Feb 6, Mar 7, Apr 1, May 5, Jun 3, Jul 3, Aug 6, Sep 2, Oct 2, Nov 0, Dec 7
2016 - Jan 1, Feb 1, Mar 1, Apr 3, May 4, Jun 6, Jul 10, Aug 6, Sep 11, Oct 6, Nov 4, Dec 6
2015 - Jan 2, Feb 6, Mar 3, Apr 5, May 1, Jun 4, Jul 2, Aug 3, Sep 4, Oct 1, Nov 4, Dec 9
2014 - Jan 4, Feb 3, Mar 6, Apr 2, May 1, Jun 4, Jul 2, Aug 1, Sep 4, Oct 5, Nov 7, Dec 5
2013 - Jan 3, Feb 6, Mar 1, Apr 4, May 5, Jun 2, Jul 4, Aug 2, Sep 6, Oct 5, Nov 2, Dec 5

KevinFromTexas · #**2795** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 6:20 AM**

https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/viol...in-austin-why/
Violent gun crimes and homicides are on the rise in Austin — why?

by: Jacqulyn Powell
Posted: Apr 6, 2021 / 07:45 PM CDT / Updated: Apr 6, 2021 / 07:45 PM CDT

Tuesday’s shooting marks the fifth homicide in Austin in just the past two weeks. There have been 21 total homicides so far this year. They’ve been spread across town.

For perspective by April 6, 2020, there had been 14 homicides citywide, and by April 6, 2019, just seven. Austin didn’t reach 21 homicides until the summer in both of those years.

This year, all but three of the homicide deaths have been from gun violence.

APD data from 2015 to 2020 shows violent crimes using firearms more than doubled in the past five years.

In an interview with KXAN Tuesday afternoon, Interim Austin Police Chief Joseph Chacon told KXAN that he doesn’t have a definitive answer as to why homicides and violent gun crimes are increasing so much in Austin. However, he says population growth and more guns being in the community are both likely contributors.

jtown,man · #**2796** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 12:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Of course.

But BLM activists and their sympathizers have enough numbers in chicago that the mayor simply has to be tuned into their frequency and pay attention to them or she might not be mayor anymore. Appeasing them (even if just lip service messaging) is in her interest.

But the opinions of the several dozen trump supporting republicans like jtown can be very safely ignored (in a political sense) by the mayor. They do not have the numbers to be of any political consequence whatsoever within the city.

In fact, actively disparaging that crowd is actually in her political interest. Politics in chicago is a blood sport, always has been. This isn't a "let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya together" kinda city. The soft get eaten alive here.

True.

But my opinion on crime isn't like an extreme minority opinion, people all over are tired of it. Just yesterday I witnessed a car that was wrecked on LSD as I was crossing the street on my bike. I didn't think anything of it besides that it looked like a hit and run because I only saw a white car with a smashed-in hood, no other car.

Within 20 minutes I got a notification, a shooting on LSD. A ONE-year-old was shot in the face. We've had three shootings just in downtown in the last week. This place is out of control and many are freaking tired of it. The small number of actual activists wanting to abolish the police are in fact that, a small minority of people.

The mayor needs to be the adult in the room and shut these people down.

Steely Dan · #**2797** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 12:56 PM**

^ because you're new in town, I'm gonna fill you in on a dirty little secret:

Chicago's atrociously high levels of gun violence have been "out of control" since the '60s. Sometimes they go down to an ever so slightly less atrocious level for a little bit, then spike back up at other times, but we've been on this terrible homicide roller coaster for over half a century now.

And nothing really ever changes. Oh, there's always an endless parade of hand-wringing and finger pointing and special commissions and blah, blah, blah, but nothing. ever. fundamentally. changes.

the mayor has to play the political optics of the whole stupid game, otherwise she won't be in the game.

jtown,man · #**2798** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 1:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Steely Dan

^ because you're new in town, I'm gonna fill you in on a dirty little secret:

Chicago's atrociously high levels of gun violence have been "out of control" since the '60s. Sometimes they go down to an ever so slightly less atrocious level for a little bit, then spike back up at other times, but we've been on this terrible homicide roller coaster for over half a century now.

And nothing really ever changes. Oh, there's always an endless parade of hand-wringing and finger pointing and special commissions and blah, blah, blah, but nothing. ever. fundamentally. changes.

the mayor has to play the political optics of the whole stupid game, otherwise she won't be in the game.

I seriously don't understand it though, really.

Explaining to my mom that children are being shot baffles her, like she can't wrap her head around it as a mom and grandmother. Of course people aren't aiming for kids, but their wreckless behavior causes chaos.

How can a city normalize this stuff? I don't understand it at any level.

Steely Dan · #**2799** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 1:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by jtown,man

How can a city normalize this stuff?

because it's been going on for generations.

it's been normalized because it IS chicago's normal reality.

how could the situation be anything other than normalized at this point?

Acajack · #**2800** Posted **Apr 7, 2021, 1:23 PM**

Yeah well there will always be a Chicago of course, regardless of its murder rate.

The issue is more whether this situation will continue to drive away residents - generally affluent ones who'd never be involved in crime.

Chicago like many cities suffered a considerable population decline 40-50 years ago due to a number of factors, with crime being a pretty significant one.

The population started ticking back up 10-15 years ago, but in the past few years seems to have started to decline again.

So the question isn't whether a spike in violent crime will kill Chicago (it won't) but whether it will kill the more livable Chicago that you love.