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Old Posted Feb 25, 2021, 10:36 PM
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White New Yorkers overall are probably are about 60/40 Democrat. And obviously there's a huge difference between Manhattan/Brownstone Brooklyn liberals and outer borough conservative ethnics.
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San Diego County voted for Bush in 2004 by a 52-46 margin even.

The County has been zooming left:
1980: 27% Democratic (-14% below national share)
1984: 33% Democratic (-8%)
1988: 38% Democratic (-8%)
1992: 37% Democratic (-6%)
1996: 44% Democratic (-5%)
2000: 46% Democratic (-2%)
2004: 46% Democratic (-2%)
2008: 54% Democratic (+1%)
2012: 53% Democratic (+2%)
2016: 56% Democratic (+8%)
2020: 60% Democratic (+9%)

It is still to the right of California though.
That’s probably why it’s better managed than LA and SF.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 5:16 PM
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You can get county and in some states city/town/township results here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2021, 9:23 PM
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Looking at the NY area

Westchester: Every city and town voted for Biden (Harrison, Eastchester and Yorktown were closest)

Nassau: Biden won Hempstead and North Hempstead, Trump won Oyster Bay

Suffolk: The innermost and outermost towns voted for Biden, mid-Suffolk went for Trump (Smithtown, Brookhaven, Riverhead)
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You can get county and in some states city/town/township results here:

https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html
Looking at Florida's map, Biden swept Florida's 7 largest counties and 8 out of the largest 9. Trump won 55 of the other 58 counties though.
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What Happened in 2020



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This was the most diverse electorate ever.

The voting electorate continues to become more diverse, and 2020 was the most racially diverse electorate ever. This was due to big turnout increases in communities of color, particularly among Latino and Asian voters. The electorate was 72% white, compared to 74% white in 2016 and 77% white in 2008. This composition shift comes mostly from the decline of white voters without a college degree, who have dropped from 51% of the electorate in 2008 to 44% in 2020.


Biden and Harris won with a multiracial coalition.

The Biden-Harris ticket benefitted from a diverse set of supporters: 39% of their coalition were voters of color, and the remaining 61% were split fairly evenly between white voters with and without a college degree. They also made significant gains among white voters compared to 2016, particularly among white college and white suburban voters, who have shown a solid and consistent backlash against Trump’s Republican party. The Trump-Pence ticket was more homogenous, with nearly 60% of their votes coming from white non-college voters, 85% white in total, and only 15% voters of color.


Latino voters continued to favor Democrats, but Republicans made inroads with Latino voters, too.

Along with massive increases in turnout, Latino vote share as a whole swung towards Trump by 8 points in two-way vote share compared to 2016, though Biden-Harris still enjoyed solid majority (61%) support among this group. Some of the shift from 2016 appears to be a result of changing voting preferences among people who voted in both elections, and some may come from new voters who were more evenly split in their vote choice than previous Latino voters. This question presents particularly challenging data analysis problems, which we discuss more in a dedicated section below.


Black voter turnout increased substantially, resulting in significant gains for Democrats, despite a modest overall drop in Democratic support levels.

Black voter turnout increased substantially, while overall Black vote share swung towards Trump by 3 percentage points compared to 2016. This dynamic – many more voters turning out but at a slightly lower Democratic margin – resulted in more net Democratic votes from Black voters in 2020 than in 2016, particularly in several key battleground states. For both Black and Latino voters, we discuss how an expanding electorate might bring marginal voters into the electorate at slightly lower support levels.


Asian-American and Pacific Islander voters saw the largest relative increase in turnout, which benefited Democrats.

Even in a high turnout year, AAPI voters had a remarkable jump in turnout, the biggest increase among all groups by race. The number of AAPI voters increased 39% from 2016, reaching 62% overall turnout for this group. AAPI voters remain strongly supportive of Democrats, delivering a 67% vote share to the Biden-Harris ticket, largely consistent with past elections.


The urban-rural voting divide continues to be immensely important, with suburbs growing more Democratic and more racially diverse.

The relationship between urbanity and voting is essentially as strong as ever, though it did not grow wider in 2020 than in recent years. Rural areas continued to vote strongly for Trump, while Biden continued to enjoy dominant support levels in cities. There were slight changes in both, however, as Biden’s vote share increased by 1 percentage point in rural areas and dropped by 3 points in urban areas. The Biden-Harris ticket maintained gains in the suburbs that began earlier in the Trump presidency. These gains are not all about white suburban voters, as is sometimes misunderstood. Suburbs are increasingly racially diverse, which accounts for part of the change in voting patterns.


Women remain critical to the Democratic coalition.

Women comprise 54% of the electorate overall and an even larger majority of the electorate among Black (59%) and Latino (56%) voters. Overall, women voters of color supported the Democratic ticket at a rate of 79% while support among white women was 48%. We find a 10-point gender gap, with women supporting Democrats more than men fairly consistently across races. White college-educated women in particular have shifted against Trump, moving from 50% Democratic support in 2012 to 58% in 2020, a trend that began in 2016 and continued in 2018 and 2020.


Young voters drove record-breaking turnout.

2020’s historic voter turnout gains were primarily driven by young voters. 18-29 year olds grew from 15% (2016) to 16% (2020) of the voting electorate, but the generational changes have been even more dramatic. Millennials and Gen Z now account for 31% of voters, up from 23% in 2016 and 14% in 2008. Meanwhile, Baby Boomers and older generations have been gradually shrinking, from 61% of the electorate in 2008 to 44% in 2020.2


New voters made a big difference, especially in Sunbelt swing states.

We saw large numbers of new voters across the country. Nationally, 14% of voters were first-time voters, who we haven’t seen vote in a previous even-year general election. This understates the change from 2016, however, due to many first-time 2018 voters and other sources of year-to-year turnover. When we compare state-by-state electorates from 2016 to 2020, 29% of voters were new presidential voters in their state in 2020. Some of these voters registered and voted for the first time in 2018, others were brand-new in 2020 or moved from out of state. Turnover was especially large in Sunbelt battleground states.


There are still millions of non-voters who could cast ballots in future elections.

Electorates are dynamic, and millions of voters drop out and join the electorate with each midterm and presidential election. 2020 saw millions of first-time voters, even though campaigns and civic engagement organizations were not able to run traditional registration, canvassing or get-out-the-vote operations due to the pandemic. At the same time, over 70 million eligible citizens did not cast a vote in 2020 and may cast ballots in the future, further changing the electoral landscape.

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Demographics were expected to push Florida left. Instead, they nudged it to the right

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...udged-it-right

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- Democratic candidates prevailed in Arizona and Georgia by running up the score in Phoenix and Atlanta. Democratic voters, at least temporarily, have threatened GOP dominance in Texas by adding votes in the state’s growing metropolitan areas. And they wiped out the GOP in Colorado and Virginia by dominating Denver and the suburbs of D.C. But there’s an important exception to this pattern: Florida. — In Arizona, Georgia, Colorado and Virginia, Democrats cashed in on population growth: They captured millennials, affluent suburbanites and immigrants who flocked to expanding cities, held onto Black voters and overpowered Republicans from small, stagnant metros and no-growth towns. But, in Florida, these small metros and towns grew faster than cities such as Miami.

- Over the past 50 years, Florida’s smaller cities and towns have become powerful magnets for middle-aged parents and retirees from other states. These older migrants want low taxes, affordable housing and warm weather all year so they’re pouring into low-cost counties, away from the major cities. — Democrats do well with Latinos in other states in part because they routinely win Mexican Americans, the largest Latino subgroup in the United States by more than 30 percentage points. But in Florida, Latinos break down differently: Five out of six trace their roots somewhere other than Mexico. These voters with roots in Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, and a number of different countries in South and Central America are not so lopsidedly Democratic.

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Florida has defied the "demographics as destiny" theory. Wouldn't surprise me if Texas starts voting to the left of Florida soon.

In addition to its more conservative Hispanic population (which has always been the case due to the Cuban population), Florida Jews voted to the right of US Jews as a whole.

Maybe there's self-selection, something about Florida that attracts conservatives.
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Florida has defied the "demographics as destiny" theory. Wouldn't surprise me if Texas starts voting to the left of Florida soon.

In addition to its more conservative Hispanic population (which has always been the case due to the Cuban population), Florida Jews voted to the right of US Jews as a whole.

Maybe there's self-selection, something about Florida that attracts conservatives.
yeah people who love living in a giant strip mall flock to SW Florida, of course .
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People are always talking about Nashville is this huge progressive/hipster mecca, with a dash of Hollywood. It's a deep red metro. I always got the sense it was extremely right wing overall.

Also, the Dems were a disaster in the rustiest part of the Rust Belt. We know about Youngstown, Akron and Canton. But how could they lose Pittsburgh? That metro is full of eds and meds.

And Cincy was an epic disaster. Wow, that's a conservative metro. The Dems are hopeless in Ohio in the near term, if they barely clear 40% in a major metro.
Exactly, do not be fooled by fools, Nashville has eons to go to be a liberal bastion, Ohio is a joke.
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Florida has defied the "demographics as destiny" theory. Wouldn't surprise me if Texas starts voting to the left of Florida soon.

In addition to its more conservative Hispanic population (which has always been the case due to the Cuban population), Florida Jews voted to the right of US Jews as a whole.

Maybe there's self-selection, something about Florida that attracts conservatives.
On the ground, it does seem very conservative outside the major cities, even among younger demographics. Doesn't help that liberal folks who were born and raised in FL usually leave the state. That allows conservatives to continue their power gain.

That's bad news for Democrats in the long term, if they want to hold on to power just enough until the Republicans get over their Trump phase. You can abandon Alabama and Mississippi due to low populations, but you can't ignore FL and TX.
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Democrats can, and should, ignore FL. It has no relevance in national elections, as long as nationwide demographic trends continue.

There's obviously a self-selection. I don't see Dems winning FL in decades, which shouldn't be an obstacle to the Presidency and majority blue Congress.
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Democrats can, and should, ignore FL. It has no relevance in national elections, as long as nationwide demographic trends continue.

There's obviously a self-selection. I don't see Dems winning FL in decades, which shouldn't be an obstacle to the Presidency and majority blue Congress.
what's strange is I would have said the same thing about Arizona, though perhaps the retiree population there isn't quite as dominant.
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what's strange is I would have said the same thing about Arizona, though perhaps the retiree population there isn't quite as dominant.
I think FL is just a weird state demographically. For whatever reason, Florida grows redder while the other high growth Sunbelt states grow bluer.

I guess there's an extreme populist slant? GOP policy doesn't appear to be very popular in FL (Floridians voted for $15 minimum wage, higher teacher salaries and more funding to fight global warming), but they also seem to be gaga for culture wars and Trumpism.

The Carribean Hispanics are reddish, the Northeast/Midwest retirees/relocatees are deep red, and northern FL is basically Alabama.
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I think FL is just a weird state demographically. For whatever reason, Florida grows redder while the other high growth Sunbelt states grow bluer.

I guess there's an extreme populist slant? GOP policy doesn't appear to be very popular in FL (Floridians voted for $15 minimum wage, higher teacher salaries and more funding to fight global warming), but they also seem to be gaga for culture wars and Trumpism.

The Carribean Hispanics are reddish, the Northeast/Midwest retirees/relocatees are deep red, and northern FL is basically Alabama.
Some of the blame belongs to Florida Democrats. Excluding California, Florida has been the bluest of the Sun Belt states for years. Neither party has a huge voter advantage in the state, but there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. It's probably the only Sun Belt state where that's true (maybe North Carolina?).
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The trend over time has been more states turning blue. For instance there’s no worry about California turning red. And this Colorado and Virginia is lost and next the likes of Arizona and Georgia will be next.

I haven’t caught onto any analysis as to why Ohio is no longer a swing state and now is reliably red.
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The trend over time has been more states turning blue. For instance there’s no worry about California turning red. And this Colorado and Virginia is lost and next the likes of Arizona and Georgia will be next.

I haven’t caught onto any analysis as to why Ohio is no longer a swing state and now is reliably red.
Demographics. It's less educated and whiter than the US average.

Missouri is another lower Midwestern state that used to be a swing state but not anymore.
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Florida is pretty swingy these days, and prior to 2020, it had backed the presidential winner in the 6 previous cycles (3 dems /3 GOP).

It seems like Florida is easily swung by the more charismatic candidate, regardless of party:

clinton over dole
W over gore
W over kerry
obama over mccain
obama over romney
trump over hillary
trump over biden

It doesn't seem to be controlled by deeper-seated, fully-entrenched ideological allegiances.
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Yeah, FL Democrats are failing to really capitalize on mobilizing the state's constituency in the way Abrams was able to do so in GA.

Crawford's judgement would work if other states were permanently becoming blue. There is no guarantee of that, as we seen with WI, MI, and PA.

If Democrats ( and the progressives who try to sneak their way into their ranks) really want to ensure that their policies are not threatened for as long as it is needed for those policies to take effect, it would serve them well to dominate the whole country, not just the coastal areas.

The South is the largest region in the country in population right now and growing every year. Texas and Florida are the major states in the South. If Democrats started to win them more consistently, along with keeping NY, CA, IL, etc, it's a fucking done deal for them. Why wait for Republicans to make voter suppression laws and indirectly ensure that Trump or another person cut from the same cloth has a good chance to be president in 2024?
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Looking at the NY area

Westchester: Every city and town voted for Biden (Harrison, Eastchester and Yorktown were closest)

Nassau: Biden won Hempstead and North Hempstead, Trump won Oyster Bay

Suffolk: The innermost and outermost towns voted for Biden, mid-Suffolk went for Trump (Smithtown, Brookhaven, Riverhead)
The NY metro has a lot of Orthodox Jews and Conservative Jews who are getting more and more Orthodox.

Looks at pockets of the region that went for Trump (South Williamsburg and Borough Park in Brooklyn), pockets of Orange County, Five Towns in Nassau County. Some precincts went 98% for Trump.

Nassau County went for Trump. That's mind blowing.

NY is not as liberal as people think it is. The changing composition of the Jewish population in the NY region will make the state more competitive than people realize in a few decades...unless the politics around Israel change.
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