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Does anyone remember when this warplane was parked in Griffith Park?

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Does anyone remember when this warplane was parked in Griffith Park?

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I remember peddling my bike to Travel town to look at this and a Zero or Zeke. That had to be 1954 or 5. I always wondered what happened to them.
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Entrances to Edison Building?

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Here's the full picture, which dates the photo at 8-18-33.


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Are those 5th Street entrances to the Edison Building? I don't remember seeing them back in the 1960s.

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-thx for your research Martin_Pal.

I didn't notice SAM INCESSANT: PLEASE WRITE! until you mentioned it in your post.
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“Burlesque is an art, worthy of serious study.” —Lillian Hunt, legendary manager of LA’s New Follies Theatre and ”Dean of the Disrobers” of the Follies’ School for Strippers. Pictured with Ms. Hunt, from left to right: Patti (later known as Patti Waggin), Venus the Body, and Thunder. Yeah, Patti Waggin...you go girl!

I wonder if they offered any kind of a Degree you could hang on the wall...properly framed of course.

''Sam Incessant''....who is that?



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snapshot of gas station, Hollywood CA
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Farmer Fred's Ranch

California & Florence, Huntington Park

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signed December 26, 1906
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ad found in an old file of mine.





the site today/is this the same building?

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aerial view (compare with the 1906 postcard) Are those the 'skylight/side windows' covered over?





a bit closer






architectural flourishes from days gone by.

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P-40 at Traveltown

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Does anyone remember when this warplane was parked in Griffith Park?

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Actually, there were a number of military aircraft at Traveltown. I could remember most, but not all of them so I did some research and came up with the dispositions for most of them. Surprisingly, the P-40 is one I could not verify, although it appears to have gone to the Pima Air Museum in Arizona.

What follows is the results of my research with the web addresses for those to wish to delve deeper. The first two links are to Discussion Groups.

PLANE TALKING - HyperScale's Aircraft Scale Modelling Discussion Forum

http://www.network54.com/Forum/14967...Griffith+Park-

"4 a/c on display during the beginning

If I remember correctly there was a Cutlass, Neptune, Panther and P-40N(?) on Display.
This was during our visits during the early 1960's. Then there was one large fence around all of them.

Cutlass F7U-3M BuNr129655
Neptune P2V-3W BuNr124359
Panther F9F-2 BuNr123420
Warhawk P-40N(?) still looking

The V1 perhaps replaced the P-40 as the newer photos I've seen seem to have it on Display at the same spot.

Warbird Information Exchange

http://warbirdinformationexchange.or...c.php?p=503154

"We recovered both the P2V-3W and the F9F-2 from Travel Town in 1992. Both aircraft were totally gutted. P2V-3W is still in storage at Eagle Field. It is seriously damaged by vandalism and some structural cutting that was done to hte forward fuselage to accommodate visitors entering the aircraft when it was on open display. Also a tree had fallen on the port wing while at the park. I wish we could find some organization that was interested in restoring this bird but for now it sits in the CA weather.

The F9F-2 "Grace" was in relatively good condition. We did find a good home for this aircraft with Kermit Weeks. He stores the aircraft indoors and has plans to restore the aircraft but with all that he has on his plate who knows when that will happen. For now it has a good home being stored indoors and I bleeive can bee seen on his "backlot" tour. Taigh Raimey took a picture of "Grace" while he was there visiting and posted it here on WIx some time back".

Examiner.com

"For many years a captured Japanese Zero was on display, in line with the original vision, but as the park evolved it was rail equipment that became more scarce and an increasing focus. The Zero was eventually moved to an air museum". (Possibly Planes of Fame in Chino? - Wig-Wag).

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Trying to put various things together...in one search I found a newspaper blurb saying that with recent innovations in movie technology a stripper in Los Angeles billed herself as "anamorphic, panoramic, stereophonic and George." Another newspaper blurb with nearly the same info wrote it as "anamorphic, panoramic, stereophonic and real George." If, as suggested, these are all movie technology terms, could "George" refer to George Eastman and Eastmancolor, which was a print stock developed in the mid-50's arond this same time? I have no corroboration on this.

I was wondering what this meant:

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Real George means "great" or "super" or "wonderful". Later it would be "primo", or "boss", today it would be "da bomb" or "bomb".
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Speaking of Battleships, the Battleship U.S.S. IOWA has a new home in Los Angeles.

San Pedro’s newest icon is “The Big Stick”—an 887-foot battleship, the USS Iowa (BB-61)—now docked at its
new home, Berth 87, in the Main Channel off Harbor Blvd., at "L.A. Waterfront". The Iowa will be a permanent
living museum in San Pedro—the original home of the U.S Pacific Battle Fleet.

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I visited the Iowa with my kids and my Dad (who is himself from Iowa) in October 2012. I took a ton of pictures but since it's a ship and not LA architecture, I don't think I have posted any here as they seemed outside of the scope of the thread. However I did notice from a couple of those pictures that the ferry building has been painted an entirely different color since my 2007 photo. We did not ride the red cars on that trip, but we did go over to Point Fermin:


photo by me, 2012
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signed December 26, 1906

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Looks like the same building to me. All of the roof light and ventilation windows have been covered over. Amazing it has lasted this long...108 years.
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A Terminal Island connection to South Hill Street

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Despite its downbeat name and checkered history, its infamy among Japanese-Americans and its industrial uses--Terminal Island was once a resort rivaling Catalina, as some of your pictures show, Godzilla. Bralys and Woolwines, among others, owned summer houses on the island:

http://stjamesparklosangeles.blogspo...histories.html
Among those who vacationed on Terminal Island was the Sale family; Howard and his wife Athie of 109 S. Hill Street, who first appear there in the 1894 LA City Directory:

1900 Los Angeles City Directory @ Fold3.com


March 28, 1900 Los Angeles Times

What could that yellow and red wildflower have been, "the native flower of Terminal Island"?

The 1888 Sanborn Map shows that 109 S. First Street had not yet been built, nor did First Street really even go over Bunker Hill. West of Hill Street, First Street is "Not Suitable for Vehicles"
and has a fire alarm box and electric light mast in the middle of the right-of-way. There's a 2-story house ("30' abv street") at what will become 133 S. Hill, and a 1-story house just west of
the SW corner of Hill and First. It's marked 1 S. Hill Street, but the 1887 and 1888 LA Directories show Albert M. Stephens at 11 S. Hill Street. Since it's the only other house on the block, it's
likely the same house. On the NE corner of Olive and Second is the Argyle Hotel, and on the NW corner of Hill and First is the Highland Villa:

LAPL

We've seen the Highland Villa before:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8975

Zooming in on a photo looking south on Hill Street from Court Street, c. 1886-87, with the Highland Villa at right. The front of what will be 133 S. Hill is visible just past the third story of
the Highland Villa. At far left, next to the tree, is what looks to be a church tower waiting for its clock:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/907/rec/261

This photo shows 1/11 S. Hill, partially visible at upper right, with the two-story house to its south on the 1888 Sanborn Map, the future 133 S. Hill, just to the left of center:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/5265/rec/730

A portion of another early photo, taken from the old City Hall on Broadway. At left is the future 133 S. Hill, then 1/11 S. Hill, a one-story home with some small palms and thin trees in front,
with the Highland Villa at right. The building in the left foreground looks like the Argyle, which is a block away at Olive and Second:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../17808/rec/515 (USC says c. 1888-95; I'd say no later than '93, since no Sale House or fenced tennis courts next to 133 S. Hill)

The Highland Villa and its fan-shaped sign, with 1/11 S. Hill visible over the Highland Villa's roof, taken from the Courthouse. We see what the 1894 Sanborn Map will reveal to be fenced
tennis courts next to 133 S. Hill, which were not on the 1888 map. Notice the house over the top of 1/11 S. Hill with the double witch's hats; that's 512 W. Second, which we'll come
back to later:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1740/rec/9 (USC says c. 1900 but more likely c. 1890-1894 since no Sale House yet)

A number of photos were taken from or adjacent to 1/11 S. Hill Street, like this one looking back at the Courthouse (Is the Courthouse clock there? USC dates photo c. 1887; clock
was installed c. Aug-Oct 1891):

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3446/rec/199

This one looks SE, c. 1889, apparently taken from the hill just behind 1/11 S. Hill Street, some of which we see at right:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3464/rec/192

This one was taken from in front of 1/11 S. Hill St. and looks more south, showing the tennis courts next door:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3470/rec/322

According to a July 19, 1887 LA Times article, the previous day Albert Stephens' 8-year-old son Arthur fell or jumped from a trolley and his skull was crushed by a the wheels of a brick
wagon. The Stephens family may have moved as a result, because the 1890 LA Directory lists Albert Stephens at 75 S. Hill, then from 1891 at 133 S. Hill; 75 and 133 S. Hill are very possibly
the same house (after 1890 LA discarded most 1- and 2-digit addresses).

The 1894 LA City Directory is the first to show Howard Sale at 109 S. Hill Street, which we see on the 1894 Sanborn below, along with the tennis courts next to 133 S. Hill. The Stephens
home is gone. The text to the right of 109 S. Hill says "something something [cliff edge?] even with eaves this side," and between 109 and 133 is the note, "vertical bank 30' high." On
both sides of First Street, west of Hill, is the note "vertical bank 40' high":

LAPL

This 1895 photo from the Court House is the first I found to show the two-story Sale House at 109 S. Hill, to the right of the tennis courts. Above and to the right of 109 S. Hill, the
former Stephens home has vanished (I found this photo after my initial post; when I saw it, I realized I had mistaken the Stephens home for the Sale home, hence this late edit):

Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/3566/rec/9

Mrs. Sale's capacity to entertain may have exceeded 109 S. Hill's capacity; I don't see how she got 400 people in there, even with two stories:

October 25, 1894 Los Angeles Times

As GW notes in a post below, in 1901 the Sales decided to convert their Hill Street home into a hotel, adding a 3-story section on to the back (west) side. The Sales moved to a new
home on the corner of Union and Ninth in the summer of 1902, and Mrs. Sale hosted a charity event there October 1, 1902:

October 2, 1902 Los Angeles Times

Then, the next day:

October 3, 1902 Los Angeles Times

Find a Grave -- http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=76471027

Of course, life went on around First and Hill without the Sales. By 1906, The Moore-Cliff (below, at right) had been built to the south, and further down the block near Second Street, The Locke:

LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007296.jpg

Priors on the Moore-Cliff: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18824

By 1910, the Hill Street Tunnel north of First Street had opened, and 133 S. Grand had apparently become the Hotel Locke's annex (or perhaps just The Annex). The Highland Villa is still there:

Historic Mapworks -- http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19472/Plate+007/

In this c. 1910 photo taken from a balloon, 109 S. Hill has gained its 3-story rear addition (see GW post below), and the Highland Villa is hanging on at the NW corner of First and Hill:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/3626/rec/12

Speaking of the Highland Villa:




June 13, 1910 Los Angeles Times

Mrs. Edith Aldrich's confidence in the structural integrity of the Highland Villa clearly exceeded her engineering know-how, as the 1914 Baist Map shows. However, the map no longer shows
133 S. Hill, the Annex next to the Hotel Locke:

Historic Mapworks -- http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19097/Plate+007/

This photo is dated 1915, though it's apparently earlier; I'm pretty sure we've seen it at NLA before, but my search for it here was fruitless. I'm not sure there's actually a fire, given
the seeming nonchalance of some of the fire fighters, but they appear to be in front or just to the right of The Annex, which isn't supposed to be there in 1915:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/3155/rec/242

But there definitely was a fire on the 100 block of S. Hill Street in 1914:

January 4, 1914 Los Angeles Times

In this c. 1919 photo posted by gsjansen, 109 S. Hill now has sides and a flat roof to match the building behind it, perhaps the result of a post-fire remodel (compare w/ 1910
photo above). Also, the Hotel Locke and its Annex seem to be gone: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2191

1921 Baist Map:

Historic Mapworks -- http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19413/Plate+007/

From Los Angeles City Hall, March 5, 1927:

USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/3751/rec/8

The 1906 Sanborn Map, updated to 1955:

LAPL

March 15, 1957, looking east on First Street with the four-story Hotel Gladden on the SE corner of First and Olive. Just to the right of the Gladden, we see a little of the three-story
building behind 109 S. Hill being demolished, and to the right of that, the back of the Moore-Cliff:

Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/6257/rec/5

Remember the double-pointy house at 512 W. 2nd Street? Here it is c. 1960:

CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...7FN5P5TLHJ.jpg

And here it is on June 12, 1961:

Huntington Digital Library -- http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single.../id/6293/rec/3

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Are those 5th Street entrances to the Edison Building? I don't remember seeing them back in the 1960s.

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Lower 5th Street entrance to the Edison Building, ca.1935

Engstrum Apartments top left on upper 5th Street, Edison Building just out-of-frame top right. In addition to these glass doors, to the immediate right are two wider openings for autos, you can just see the curb cut for the first one at the bottom here.

Southern California Edison Photographs and Negatives, Huntington Digital Library



Edison Building, lower 5th Street entrance, interior, 1934

And in case you wanted to step through those doors...

Southern California Edison Photographs and Negatives, Huntington Digital Library



The upper 5th street retaining wall and eastbound streetcar, ca.1948

In this image from earlier (much earlier) in the thread (Beaudry, I think) you can get a good idea what the retaining wall looked like, including the colonnade entrance, down to the left, leading to the public stairwells up to Hope Street. The Edison entrances are over here on the right.

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Among those who vacationed on Terminal Island was the Sale family; Howard and his wife Athie of 109 S. Hill Street:

But there definitely was a fire on the 100 block of S. Hill Street in 1914:

January 4, 1914 Los Angeles Times

Apparently it was Sale himself who added a story to 109 S Hill and turned it into a hotel...which seems to have had a change of fortunes in 1908:


LAT Apr 5, 1901/May 3, 1908

The El Moro is, however, still listed in the 1909CD as a place with "fur rooms"...


After Athie Sale died, 56-year-old Howard waited a respectable three years before marrying 33-year-old Elizabeth...


LAT Aug 11, 1905/Jan 18, 1913


After Union Street, Howard and his new wife built another house--they seem to have lived in two different houses on South Berendo, 685 and then 699 at the time of his death.



LAHerald Sept 3, 1905/USCDL

The Western Wholesale Drug Co was at 254 S Main... like 109 S Hill, 900 S Union, and the Berendo Street houses, gone.
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MichaelRyerson, you beat me to it! Here are a few more pictures of the Edison's Lower Fifth entrance.

Beaudry discussed the retaining wall and surviving entrance a few weeks ago in post #19332.


Beaudry/GSV

A close-up from another Huntington Digital Library picture shows the pedestrian entrance alongside the plainer exit for autos.


Detail of picture at Huntington Digital Library

Flyingwedge posted the same interior shot of the Lower Fifth Street entrance in post #19359. Here's the view looking toward the doors.


Huntington Digital Library

This picture shows the entrances/exits during the late stages of construction.


Detail of picture at Huntington Digital Library

And this picture, taken at around the same time, gives a better view of the steps up to Hope Street.


Detail of picture at Huntington Digital Library

I'll finish with a night picture from 1931. The pedestrian entrance is just out of shot to the left, but the auto entrance/exit is clearly illuminated.


Huntington Digital Library
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Ah, those are great Hoss. Of course, the Edison Building is like...

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MichaelRyerson, you beat me to it! Here are a few more pictures of the Edison's Lower Fifth entrance.
the first born child who becomes overrepresented in the family scrapbook because of his or her beauty and novelty. Woe be to the children who follow. Luckily for those of us who share this visual and historical fixation on Los Angeles, the Edison was a beautiful building and was photographed many, many times. Even more than the equally beautiful Richfield.

And then there's this...


Motorcyclist killed... Crashed into railing above 30 foot wall opposite public library on 5th Street, 1952 (2)
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the first born child who becomes overrepresented in the family scrapbook because of his or her beauty and novelty. Woe be to the children who follow. Luckily for those of us who share this visual and historical fixation on Los Angeles, the Edison was a beautiful building and was photographed many, many times. Even more than the equally beautiful Richfield.

And then there's this...


Motorcyclist killed... Crashed into railing above 30 foot wall opposite public library on 5th Street, 1952 (2)
...And the kids smilingly point to the gray matter on the sidewalk. Can't blame television or video games for that.
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Those with 6volt thinking systems may earn a windshield decal.


1947
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics50/00044607.jpg


Wear it with pride!
I have a suspicion that the early hot rodders probably viewed that sticker as exhibiting pride in accomplishment.

A bit puzzling are the 1947 plates on the car when it is clearly powered by a Ford flat head V8 engine variation that did not appear until 1949. Could it be that out of date plates was the issue?
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...And the kids smilingly point to the gray matter on the sidewalk. Can't blame television or video games for that.
It seems he left the bike up top and essentially the same onlookers are up here, too. High grade entertainment was hard to come by in 1952...


Motorcyclist killed... Crashed into railing above 30 foot wall opposite public library on 5th Street, 1952

25 March 1952. View of wrecked machine and railing over which motorcyclist flew.

USCdigital archive/Los Angeles Examiner Negatives Collection, 1950-1961

More than a little irony in the Old Forester ad in the background.
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Lower 5th Street entrance to the Edison Building, ca.1935

I took the LA Conservancy downtown tour a number of times and learned that this door was the side entrance where people would come to pay their bills. Just inside there is a cashier's window and people would come every month or so to pay.
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