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I saw a bit of Talk Ottawa this evening.....Thompson remains to be convinced about not adding more lands and Hume against it other than allowing the 'Fernbank' lands to be allowed in the boundary in order to do comprehensive planning etc....hmm, I wonder who got to him on that one.
Actually, Hume's position makes a lot of sense. There are a couple of pockets or islands of rural land that were not part of the OMB Fernbank decision (different owner). These plots are surrounded on 3 or 4 sides by urban-designated land and basically have no commercial value as agricultural land (though perhaps as community gardens, but that'll never happen). No one needs to have got to him other than asking him to look at the map:

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Anyone listening to the online stream this morning? night and day difference in opinions between the suburban and urban councillors...
Hands up, I'm a saddo...I am listening online while doing other work....I am now listening to the fellow from the Cardinal Creek Community Association making friends on council....not.

He is now demanding butternut trees to be planted.

Watch for this guy running for Council soon.
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Tuesday protest to call for end of city sprawl

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Busines...820/story.html
BY PATRICK DARE, THE OTTAWA CITIZENMAY 11, 2009COMMENTS (9)


OTTAWA — A group of citizens concerned about urban sprawl in Ottawa will hold a demonstration next to City Hall on Tuesday, urging city council to hold the line on the urban boundary.

The Coalition for a Sustainable Ottawa will hold a noon-hour rally at the Human Rights Monument on Elgin Street at Lisgar Street.
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I stopped by to watch the protest today... there was a pretty good turnout. They sung about 'Holding the Line' (ie the urban boundary) or something like that. Councillors Legendre, Cullen, Holmes, Feltmate, and Doucet spoke and Councillor Jellet was also up there. There's a clip on the CTV website with a Doucet interview
http://ottawa.ctv.ca/#2

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I stopped by to watch the protest today... there was a pretty good turnout. They sung about 'Holding the Line' (ie the urban boundary) or something like that. Councillors Legendre, Cullen, Holmes, Feltmate, and Doucet spoke and Councillor Jellet was also up there. There's a clip on the CTV website with a Doucet interview
http://ottawa.ctv.ca/#2

Metro article
I'm surprised Jellet was there as his ward is pretty sprawly. I get the sense that Councillor Feltmate is seeing the impacts of sprawl on her ward and is trying to rein it in.

Phil Brown, who is quoted in the Metro article, is a very articulate man and the head of the Committee of Adjustment panel that deals with the inner core.
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Jellett was apparently also on CFRA stating his opposition to the expansion
http://www.cfra.com/?cat=1&nid=65102#

Councillors line up against sprawl
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Council...683/story.html
Hundreds at rally urge city to stop suburban expansion

BY PATRICK DARE, THE OTTAWA CITIZENMAY 12, 2009 10:23 PM


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Musician Victor Nesrallah performs at a rally outside Ottawa City Hall to get councillors to freeze the urban boundary and stop the city from expanding out of control.
Photograph by: Chris Mikula, The Ottawa Citizen


OTTAWA — Ottawa council could avoid a series of fights at the Ontario Municipal Board by holding the line on its urban boundary, according to its top planning lawyer.

Tim Marc says changes to the provincial Planning Act since 2003 have strengthened the city’s hand in controlling development. If any urbanexpansion in the official plan is permitted, the revised plan can be appealed to the provincial board, which has the power to overrule city land-use decisions. However, if no expansion is approved, no appeals can be made to the board.


City council is considering the revision of its official plan, the document that guides all residential and commercial development. Planning staff recommended an expansion of 842 hectares.

But Bay Councillor Alex Cullen said Tuesday that council could end up with even more than the 842 hectares added to the city’s urban area if the municipal board agrees with developers on expanding the urban area even farther.

“It opens the door. We have to be very careful here,” said the councillor.

Cullen was one of six city councillors who attended a noon-hour rally Tuesday, organized by lawyer Will Murray, aimed at getting councillors to stop urban sprawl by keeping the urban boundary where it is.

The crowd of close to 200 residents was told that the city’s urban expansion to date — which is heavy on single-family houses that use a lot of land for relatively few people — is spreading the city’s finances too thin and taking a heavy toll on the environment. Services cost more to provide on the outskirts of town and low population densities produce relatively little tax revenue for the city to pay for them.

“We aren’t against growth. We just want growth that makes sense,” said Murray.

“We break this line, we don’t have one,” said Capital Councillor Clive Doucet of the urban boundary in the city’s current official plan.

“No more sprawl!” shouted Cullen, calling it “a plague” on the planet.

Later, Cullen said Ontario cities need to learn from the strict approach of cities in Europe, where firm urban boundaries have created highly successful cities.

Somerset Councillor Diane Holmes said Ottawa needs to change the way it develops to save farmland and a local food supply. She said the planners’ recommendation that 40 per cent of residential development be single-family homes is too much, due to their high consumption of land.

Councillors Jacques Legendre, of Rideau-Rockcliffe, Kanata South’s Peggy Feltmate and Cumberland’s Rob Jellett also attended the event.

A joint meeting of the planning and environment and rural and agricultural affairs committees is listening this week to public delegations on the official plan.

Developers, their lawyers and consultants argued Tuesday about how land they own should be included in the city’s urban area. Such approval would mean huge increases in the value of their holdings.

Some residents argued that additional new subdivisions allowed under urban expansion would overload existing services and make quiet rural areas into crowded suburban ones.

One addition to the urban area that’s generated a big reaction is a proposed Tamarack Homes subdivision on 315 hectares east of Cardinal Creek and the current urban boundary of Orléans. Nearby residents complained Tuesday that the forest on the land has already been chopped down and they say there are many other problems, such as road congestion on Highway 174. About 4,500 houses would be built.

Resident Valerie Yersh said Cumberland would lose its rural flavour if Ottawa’s urban area continues its march eastward with such a huge urban development.

The city councillor for the area, Jellett, said he does not support the proposed development or the other proposed expansions to the urban boundary.

“We have so much land within the urban boundary,” said Jellett, who is chairman of council’s rural and agricultural affairs committee. “We don’t need to expand.”

Councillor Peter Hume, chairman of the planning committee, said there’s nothing compelling the city to develop the 842 hectares. Hume said the city has an 18-year supply of land for residential development, which puts it within provincial rules. He noted the 842 hectares would create a 22-year supply of land for housing development, which would be more than the city needs.

Hume said one piece of property that could get the go-ahead for urban development is 163 hectares by the Fernbank community at Kanata, which has been planned as urban for many years and for which studies are complete. He said such a designation would only be an amendment to the existing development plan and could not be appealed to the Municipal Board.

Jellett said he would be willing to approve growth onto the Fernbank lands only if there is a written assurance that the move would not land the city in an appeal of the revised official plan.

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Homebuilder makes case to expand east urban community
By Fred Sherwin
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Representatives from Tamarack Homes and the Taggart Group of Companies faced members of the community during a public meeting Monday night to explain why they want the city to expand the east urban boundary and allow them to go ahead with plans for a massive subdivision that will eventually grow to 4,500 homes over the next 15 years.

Close to 80 concerned residents sat through the presentation, including representatives from both the Cumberland Village Community Association and the Cardinal Creek Community Association which are opposed to the development.

Ted Phillips from Tamarack Homes made a thorough presentation of the company's plans which call for 4,500 homes to be built over the next 10 to 15 years in the area bordered by Innes Road to the south, Cardinal Creek to the west, the Ottawa River to the north and Ted Kelly Lane and Frank Kenny Rd. to the east.

During his presentation, Phillips tried to dispel the fear that the 4,500 homes would be built overnight. The reality is that Tamarack would likely build between 150 and 250 homes a year, depending on demand, with a probable peak of 400 homes a year.

To further alleviate peoples' fears and help quell the growing opposition to their plans, Tamarack has agreed to cap construction at 400 homes a year north of Old Montreal Rd. and not build any homes at all south of Old Montreal Rd. for at least 10 years. They've also agreed to maintain the rural designation on a large track of land at the far northeast corner of the development to act as a natural buffer with the community to the east.

"I don't think there will be any change of the rural character (of the area) for many years to come," said Phillips. "We're willing to integrate the existing woodlots into the development. We're willing to reforest some areas with butternut trees at an additional cost to us and we want to create a series of pathways from the community down to Petrie Island. We want to make this the nicest development in the city."

Phillips then asked the audience whether they would rather have 4,500 homes on city water and sewer services or 1,000 estate homes on well water, which is what the area can currently accommodate under the existing zoning.

That prompted one man who claimed he recently moved to Cumberland Village, to stand up and state he favoured the expansion of the east urban boundary and Tamarack's plans so long as it's "intelligent development" and addresses the concerns of residents.

Phillips also claimed that the average estate home requires $1,300 in city services, while an average single-detached home in a suburban subdivision costs taxpayers about $50 a year in services such as garbage collection and snowplowing. He also made assurances that the development would not contain any highrises or stacked townhomes, and that rumours claiming they planned to build a number of social housing units had no basis in truth whatsoever.

His final message to the audience was that Tamarack Homes and the Taggart Group of Companies was willing to do whatever it takes to consult with the community and build a development everyone can be proud of.

"What we're hoping to offer isn't doom and gloom. It's a well thought out development plan that we're hoping will generate some discussion. Nothing is cast in stone," said Phillips.

Sitting in the audience taking it all in was Cumberland Ward Coun. Rob Jellett who's been working on a plan to introduce a third category for sub-division approval in the city's Official Plan which would require developers to apply for an Official Plan amendment before the urban boundary is expanded.

Under his proposal, developers would have to go through an extensive public consultation process and undertake a series of studies that would be scrutinized by the city's planning department. Jellett believes the motion will pass with very little opposition.

If it does, Tamarack Homes is more than willing to follow the new process even though it would set back their plans two to three years.

"We bought the property with the intention to make it a flagship property for next the 20 years. If it takes another two or three years to get the community's support then so be it," said Phillips.

(This story was made possible thanks to the generous support of our local business partners.)

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That guy in the photo? Nesrallah? He's a teacher at Glebe Collegiate. Really cool guy, really nice and great musician.
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That guy in the photo? Nesrallah? He's a teacher at Glebe Collegiate. Really cool guy, really nice and great musician.
Is he related to Julie Nesrallah, musician and host on CBC R2?
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Ted Phillips from Tamarack Homes made a thorough presentation of the company's plans which call for 4,500 homes to be built over the next 10 to 15 years in the area bordered by Innes Road to the south, Cardinal Creek to the west, the Ottawa River to the north and Ted Kelly Lane and Frank Kenny Rd. to the east.

To further alleviate peoples' fears and help quell the growing opposition to their plans, Tamarack has agreed to cap construction at 400 homes a year north of Old Montreal Rd. and not build any homes at all south of Old Montreal Rd. for at least 10 years. They've also agreed to maintain the rural designation on a large track of land at the far northeast corner of the development to act as a natural buffer with the community to the east.

"I don't think there will be any change of the rural character (of the area) for many years to come," said Phillips. "We're willing to integrate the existing woodlots into the development. We're willing to reforest some areas with butternut trees at an additional cost to us and we want to create a series of pathways from the community down to Petrie Island. We want to make this the nicest development in the city."

Phillips also claimed that the average estate home requires $1,300 in city services, while an average single-detached home in a suburban subdivision costs taxpayers about $50 a year in services such as garbage collection and snowplowing. He also made assurances that the development would not contain any highrises or stacked townhomes, and that rumours claiming they planned to build a number of social housing units had no basis in truth whatsoever.
Is that $50 versus $1300 quote really valid....personally, I can't believe there is that much of a difference and that the serviced cost is so low.

This development proposal has Manotick written all over it. I don't get the sense that there is any political will on council to approve this sort of thing.

If I were the landowner, I would change the public face associated with the project, especially for dealings with City Staff.
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Is he related to Julie Nesrallah, musician and host on CBC R2?
I was wondering the same thing.
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That guy in the photo? Nesrallah? He's a teacher at Glebe Collegiate. Really cool guy, really nice and great musician.
Oh yeah? Cool. I caught him playing in front of city hall the other day.
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Urban boundary plan faces opposition
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Urban+b...612/story.html
Lawyer for developers vows to take fight to municipal board

BY PATRICK DARE, THE OTTAWA CITIZENMAY 14, 2009 10:15 PM


OTTAWA — A lawyer who represents developers at Ottawa City Hall put councillors on notice Thursday that the city is in for a fight over changes in the official plan for the urban area, even if it makes no changes to the urban boundary.

Michael Polowin told councillors that the new official plan could be appealed to the Ontario Municipal Board even if no additions are made to the urban area, just because the possibility of expansions has been raised in a report requested by city council. The provincially appointed board has the power to overrule city decisions about planning and development.

“This will be decided at the OMB,” said Polowin afterward, in a brief interview with the Citizen.

The city is reviewing its official plan as it must every five years, and part of the process is deciding whether to open more land for construction on the outskirts of the city.

Land that gets designated for development typically increases dramatically in value, and the people who own property in the affected areas often fight hard to get their land approved.

City planners have proposed that the city expand its urban boundary to encompass 842 more hectares, but the city’s senior planning lawyer, Tim Marc, said earlier this week that council could avoid costly, lengthy appeals before the municipal board if it sticks with its current urban boundary, rather than allowing development in some areas, but not others. This is due to recent changes in provincial planning law that strengthened municipal authority.

Polowin, a lawyer specializing in development issues and an occasional Citizen columnist, told a joint meeting of city council’s planning and agricultural affairs committees that his clients’ land at Leitrim should be included within a revised urban boundary for Ottawa.

Polowin complained to councillors that planning staff have placed his clients’ Bank Street property both in and out of the revised urban area over that last three months, something he called “really strange.”

Lesley Paterson, the program manager for planning policy at the city who is leading the review, said the complicated point system used to rate the possible additions to the urban area has changed. She said the initial reports were drafts that the city wanted feedback on.

When people came forward with information, or an argument about how the evaluation should be changed, the city was willing to listen. She said the city’s planning work is an objective comparative analysis of potential urban areas picked by planners, not developers.

A combative Polowin refused to abide by a five-minute limit in his submissions to the joint committee and was permitted to go beyond the time limit.

Councillor Steve Desroches, who represents Gloucester-South Nepean, said there’s little interest in his ward among residents for adding that area, known as “Area 8A” in planning documents, to the urban area. But Desroches said he wasn’t interested in getting into an argument with Polowin, who has been highly critical of city council in his Citizen columns.

Polowin was one of about 60 people who have made submissions or are lobbying city councillors this week on changes to the urban boundary. Landowners and developers want inside the urban boundary. Many community groups and citizens want the city to hold the line and allow development in more central neighbourhoods.

The city’s planning experts, and a lot of environmental and community groups, say suburban communities have to grow with greater density — using less land than is commonly used for single-family houses — to make growth more financially and environmentally sustainable.

Councillors face a challenge May 26 when they will debate the official plan revisions at committee, and then have a final debate at full council.

Cumberland Councillor Rob Jellett, who chaired Thursday’s meeting, said he hopes councillors will agree to no expansion of the urban boundary or, at the very least, extremely limited expansion. He said the city can reopen the question in five years, but for now has an 18-year supply of land for single-family homes.

One developer, Ian Taggart, warned councillors Thursday that if the city doesn’t ensure a good supply of urban land for development, residents would lose the chance to own homes. Taggart, whose company wants to build a 4,500-unit subdivision east of the current Orléans urban boundary in a district called “Area 11,” said that a house downtown costs three times as much as one in the suburbs.

Jellett, who represents that area and opposes the Cardinal Village addition, said he has a lot of questions about how Area 11, which initially scored poorly on transportation, eventually managed to score reasonably well. The score changed because different traffic data were used and the assumption was made that drivers could use less busy roads. (Also, Paterson said, in some areas, such as Area 11, some natural spaces were deleted from the plan as the planners got a closer look at the land.)

But Jellett says he sees nothing but gridlock ahead if the 4,500 houses are built, bringing in 5,000 to 8,000 cars, almost all of them heading for heavily travelled roads such as Old Montreal Road, Trim Road and Highway 174.

The development proposal calls for expansion of the area’s roads, but Jellett says there’s no assurance any of those expansions will happen.

“I’m skeptical,” said Jellett. “The volume of traffic is going to be massive.”

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Citizen Editorial on the protests


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THE OTTAWA CITIZENMAY 16, 2009


You'd think that getting Ottawans out to a public rally would be difficult, especially when the issue is a municipal (read: unsexy) one. Yet a couple of hundred people showed up at Ottawa City Hall this week to protest sprawl, which until recently was of interest mainly to professional urban planners and architects. It's gratifying to see that ordinary people, too, are starting to pay close attention to the way we live.

And how can we not? Urban sprawl means higher taxes, in order to pay the cost of extending municipal infrastructure to outlying areas. The people of Ottawa are beginning to recognize that the urban boundary, beyond which development is supposed to be prohibited, is a green, money-saving initiative.

The urban boundary is designed to promote the best, most efficient use of land inside it. Vacant lots or parking lots get developed rather than farmland on the fringes. This way, the city doesn't need to build new pipes and create services for suburbs. The municipality piggybacks on the services it already has inside the boundary.

As municipal budgets become ever more strained, and as the price of commuting becomes ever more onerous (as measured in dollars and environmental degradation), it becomes increasingly obvious that dense communities are healthier communities. And yet Ottawa's urban density is about the same as Toronto's suburbs. That's not good.

Everything is connected. Intensification fills in parking lots, and fewer lots downtown increases the cost of taking your car there -- which in turn helps promote rapid transit, and the greening of the community.

If you're going to get off the couch and protest something, urban sprawl is as good an issue as any.

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No new single-family homes? That would mean a population explosion in Gatineau and in neighboring municipalities, since the market clearly demands such still. I'm sure North Grenville, Clarence-Rockland, Russell, Carleton Place, etc. would love the extra tax revenue. The even longer commutes (~40-50 km) and little or no public transit to those areas would create additional traffic and environmental issues as well.
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Let me guess....Holmes, Doucet, Legendre and Bedard firmly in favour of more sprawl, Thompson, Eli, Harder, Bloess firmly against any more expansions

I saw a bit of Talk Ottawa this evening.....Thompson remains to be convinced about not adding more lands and Hume against it other than allowing the 'Fernbank' lands to be allowed in the boundary in order to do comprehensive planning etc....hmm, I wonder who got to him on that one.


I saw the Talk Ottawa episode and Hume made a good point that the amount of time council is spending debating about the urban boundary is taking away from the focus on things like making better intensification policies and improving the design of new neighbourhoods, since now everyone and their uncle is trying to argue for their land to be included, and that's all we seem to be hearing about in the media.

edit: for example, there are a lot of interesting new policies on tall buildings, where they should be located, and how they should fit into neighbourhoods
http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/cit...plications.htm

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No new single-family homes? That would mean a population explosion in Gatineau and in neighboring municipalities, since the market clearly demands such still. I'm sure North Grenville, Clarence-Rockland, Russell, Carleton Place, etc. would love the extra tax revenue. The even longer commutes (~40-50 km) and little or no public transit to those areas would create additional traffic and environmental issues as well.
Even with the focus on density and intensification, the new plan calls for 40% of new homes to be single-family. Plus, there will be lots of single-family homes on the resale market from seniors wanting to move into condos (not all of them will, but a great number most definitely want to live without stairs). Isn't that enough in terms of choice for the marketplace?
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Even with the focus on density and intensification, the new plan calls for 40% of new homes to be single-family. Plus, there will be lots of single-family homes on the resale market from seniors wanting to move into condos (not all of them will, but a great number most definitely want to live without stairs). Isn't that enough in terms of choice for the marketplace?
And it's not a huge change from what we have today. According to the latest census, 43.3% of existing homes in the city are single detached.

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Denley on the urban boundary...


Drawing the line on urban expansion
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Ra...481/story.html
It's not enough to limit where we build, we have to look at what we build, too

BY RANDALL DENLEY, THE OTTAWA CITIZENMAY 17, 2009


A rally this week that attracted 200 people to City Hall to oppose urban expansion was an encouraging sign that people are waking up to this critical, city-shaping issue, but it's not as simple as where to draw the urban boundary line. Where we build is important, but what we build is even more so.

Every five years, city councillors review their official plan to make sure there is enough land available to meet housing needs for the next 15 years. Based on that provincial criterion, the city already has adequate development opportunities and doesn't need to add any land at all to its official plan. Developers don't buy that, and say that at least 2,000 hectares should be added. City planners have proposed an

842- hectare expansion in various locations on the urban fringe. Some councillors are prepared to limit the increase to a 163-hectare piece near Kanata that is already surrounded by urban land. Others would freeze expansion altogether.

The councillors who are prepared to put the brakes on growth still constitute a minority on council. Various suburban councillors want to add little pieces of land to the urban area in their wards. A major pressure campaign is also under way to approve land for 4,500 new homes east of Orléans.

Councillors have been told by their staff lawyer that freezing the urban boundary is a defensible policy at the Ontario Municipal Board, but if councillors approve multiple additions to the existing supply of urban land, they will trigger a series of appeals from other developers and landowners who will argue that their properties should have been approved instead. For example, the land east of Orléans is third on the city staff's priority list. If councillors add it, the owners of the land second on the list will argue they should be in, too.

If councillors do what they normally do, they will praise intensification, then start adding little pieces of land all around the fringes to please particular landowners. The ones who don't get lucky in the lottery will then appeal to the OMB, sucking up public money in defence of a mediocre decision. Councillors need to support what most say they believe in and put the brakes on.

This will not stop the expansion of the suburbs, of course. There is plenty of land for suburban growth already approved. What it will do is provide a bit of time for politicians, planners, developers and the public to have an intelligent discussion on what we want our city to be like. That's where we get into the how the city develops, instead of just the where.

Someone has to lead that process, and city councillor Peter Hume is stepping up. The chairman of the planning committee has prepared a motion that would limit urban land expansion to the block of land near Kanata that is already surrounded by urban land. This is an area where the city already lost an OMB battle that led to a big urban boundary expansion. What's left is not worth fighting over.

Along with that, Hume wants a greater focus on promoting intensification in areas such as main streets and lands close to rapid transit. We need to figure out how to build a better suburb, he says, and we also need to assess the impact of intensification in the downtown core.

"Having more people doesn't necessarily create a better community," Hume says.

That's a point of view shared by John Herbert, executive director of the Greater Ottawa Home Builders Association. Just using planning rules to make suburbs denser won't make them into good places to live, he says.

It's easy to see examples of the problem in the suburbs now as developers load marginal strips of land with townhouses. They boost the city's density numbers, but some of these areas lack all the things that make a community a community.

If we are going to build a better city, both City Hall and the major developers will have to do a better job. Now, the city collects development charges for parks and community buildings but hordes the money in a bank account for years before these essential community elements are actually built. That's not fair to home-buyers who pay big development charges. A new community should be more than a sea of houses with strip malls on the periphery. Developers shouldn't try to build like this, and the city shouldn't allow it.

Freezing the urban boundary now will not solve anything, in itself, but minimizing urban expansion would send a signal that it's not business as usual, and that we need to use land more intelligently. That's a message that can't come a moment too soon. When this issue goes to council later this month, councillors should see beyond their narrow ward concerns and follow Hume's lead on this issue. It's the first step towards building better communities.

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Is he related to Julie Nesrallah, musician and host on CBC R2?
No idea. I'll have to ask him next time I see him. If I can remember that is.
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a couple of stories about the practice of clearcutting forests just outside the urban boundary

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Technol...561/story.html

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/pr...601/story.html
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