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Old Posted Jul 3, 2014, 6:39 PM
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While looking for pictures of Melrose Avenue I came across a set of 47 pictures showing flooding in 1951. There are many commercial premises in the pictures, but I decided to concentrate on three of the residential properties.

The caption at the bottom of this one reads: "Mrs Phoebe Horn, 1518 Electric Ave[nue], Venice, 12-29-51."


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Now partly hidden by plants and a fence, the house looks relatively unchanged.


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I've cropped the caption from this picture, but in its original form it was unreadable anyway. Once I'd mirrored the image and severely changed the levels it was just possible to make out: "Mrs Fred Pirie & friends on porch, 6577 2nd Ave[nue], 12-29-51." Initially I read the name as "Pine", but the 1956 CD lists Evelyn Josephine Pirie at 6577 2nd Avenue.


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Some brickwork has been added at the front, and a boxy extension at the rear, but Mrs Pirie's house is still there.


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One street west and Marjory Beggs' job of selling this house just got harder. The caption says: "Marooned house for sale, 6422 3rd Ave[nue], 12-29-51." Luckily, it looks like the water stopped in the garden.


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Just like the previous house, awnings now seem to be popular in this neighborhood. As far as I can tell, the houses on either side are also the same ones that appear in the picture above.


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Pep Boys and Felix Chevrolet had their cartoon representatives. Western Auto Supply had its own: "Saving Sam." Wonder if the character was based upon a real person. Could it have been based on Western Auto's long-time founder and President, George Pepperdine? Doubtful, . . . different hairline (?)


George Pepperdine is also the founder of Pepperdine University, started in 1937. He had a residence on Adams (below). Pepperdine's Western Auto Supply also had many small retail outlets, including the noteworthy example on the Miracle Mile. Wonder if he liked griddle cakes?


1100 Grand Ave - Pre '26.
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/22360/rec/6

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/22360/rec/6

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...23466/rec/2225

[/url]http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...5/id/933/rec/1

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...5/id/933/rec/1


Circa 1929 - Western Auto Supply, Second and C Street, (San Diego - sorry)
http://cdn.calisphere.org/affiliates...i-res/9144.jpg




Circa 1937 - George Pepperdine Mansion, 3320 West Adams Blvd. (Demolished in '50s)
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Before the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man? Nightmarish.


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...d/19849/rec/63






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Another photo from the series, labeled "1930."

Wonderful Buick sign. Majestic may have been envious.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...gar&DMROTATE=0



Howard sells Buicks!








Couple of apparitions between the potted plant and the loitering ladies?










More Buick signage or an earlier version?



653 W. 15th Street date unknown









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Old Posted Jul 3, 2014, 6:56 PM
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Mystery building (but not for long!)


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Annie Parker with camera equipment and Ford automobile, building in background, 1931
Can anyone identify this very familiar building? Edifice of higher learning??









Not Los Angeles High.
http://fitzla.files.wordpress.com/20...igh-school.jpg

nope
http://www.banninghs.org/pics/BHS_history.jpg

Scratch Loyola HS too.
http://ridley-thomas.lacounty.gov/Ar...yola-HiRes.jpg

John Burroughs Middle?
http://www.1400ml.com/jbclassof62/images/moonoverjb.jpg




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A few evocative screen captures from the excellent This Was Pacific Electric:




Arroyo Seco/Pasadena/Arroyo Seco Freeway


Arroyo Seco/Pasadena/Arroyo Seco Freeway


All photos from This Was Pacific Electric, written and directed by Thom Eberhardt. Sky City Productions, Inc.: www.skycityproductions.com


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-is4CgoUWvB...os+Angeles.jpg




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Looks safe enough?!?!?!

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Los Angeles had hills, who knew?


http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...d/19849/rec/63









And Chop Suey. (Any idea what exactly the "X" banner designates?












And let's not forget bridges.











And Coffee


And train station



All from http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...d/19849/rec/63
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OK, BifRayRock's and Chuchaluck's photographs are again jigsaw puzzles on my computer.
I know we've discussed this numerous times in the past. What do I have to do on my end to correct this problem?

I know it's possible because I just noticed if I go to 'quote' a past post, and then keep scrolling down to previous posts on the same page, the photographs that were once 'jigsaws' are corrected. So why don't they appear that way the first time around?
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I use Windows Vista..Google Chrome.

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Old Posted Jul 3, 2014, 8:13 PM
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My apologies. I think decent viewing has everything to do with screen size and resolution. I have been able to view everything stitched together on both laptops (15" - 17") and and a large desktop monitor (27") and that includes several different operating systems and browsers (XP, Vista, W7 and Apple; IE, Firefox and Safari). On a phone or small tablet, it seems very problematic, as one might expect with much larger photos. Viewing some of the older lower resolution photos on a larger screen can be very disappointing. The by-word being the largest and highest resolution will be appreciated in the future. Sadly, not everything is compatible - yet. Perhaps some of the regulars can chime in with what equipment they are using.

I can only suggest trying to zoom in or out to see if the images become viewable. I was attempting to methodically transfer everything to a third party host when I was shut out. If only this site would host photos, but even that is no guarantee of future unfettered access.

FWIW, all of the images we have recently posted are from one source. http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/compou...d/19849/rec/63

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Old Posted Jul 3, 2014, 8:48 PM
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Thanks for your help Chuckaluck. I'll try to figure it out with your suggestions.
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Here are a couple interesting photographs of Hollywood dated 1929. I don't believe we've seen them before on NLA.

streets-unknown

ebay

above: I am intrigued by that small patch of eucalyptus trees up on the hill. I don't see a home on the lot, so I wonder
who planted them (since eucalyptus are non-native to California).



ebay

Especially intriguing in this view is that stand alone house on the hillside.
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It looks like there's a barricade at the cross street, lower left. (perhaps they're getting ready to pave it)
If only they had included the names of the streets on the reverse of the photos.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2014, 8:52 PM
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OK, BifRayRock's and Chuchaluck's photographs are again jigsaw puzzles on my computer.
I know we've discussed this numerous times in the past. What do I have to do on my end to correct this problem?

I know it's possible because I just noticed if I go to 'quote' a past post, and then keep scrolling down to previous posts on the same page, the photographs that were once 'jigsaws' are correct. So why don't they appear that way the first time around?
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I use Windows Vista..Google Chrome.
It's because the images are being hotlinked to the relevant libraries (USC, Huntington etc.), and they split their images up into squares which are 512 pixels x 512 pixels. The result is that some of the larger images are made up of as many as six or nine pieces. That would be fine if everyone had the same screen size, but we don't. On smaller screens the last piece on a line wraps around onto the line below, while on higher-resolution screens it's possible for more pieces to fit on a line than originally intended, and we end up with a mess. You can sometimes work around this by zooming in or out (usually Ctrl+ and Ctrl- on Windows browsers), but this isn't ideal.

The best solution is to screengrab the images from these sites rather than hotlinking. This means that a (free) image hosting site like Photobucket, Flickr, ImageShack etc. must be used, but it's the best way to do it. Firstly, the image is a single block, so it won't become a jigsaw. Secondly, it preserves a copy of the original image even if the original image disappears or the site reorganizes its image locations. This is especially true of sites like eBay where images have a very short lifespan - I've noticed fairly recent posts on NLA (less than two months old) where hotlinked eBay images are already missing. I hope someone is still archiving the pages!

I'm well aware that for some members, the two paragraphs above may as well have been written in a foreign language. Please feel free to send me a PM for further instructions, or post your queries in the forum so that other members can chip in with help and advice. I'm sure we all have different ways of reaching the goal.

While I'm throwing my two cents in, can I also make a plea for members to stop quoting entire image-heavy posts, especially when they're only adding one or two new images. Please try to reduce your quote to a relevant image or two so we know what you're talking about. The little blue arrow to the right of the original poster's name inside the quote provides a link back to the original post for anyone who wants to check it out. For the record, this issue was first raised as far back as page 403/404. Again, feel free to PM me if you want a quick run-through.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2014, 9:20 PM
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Thanks so much HossC.


I'm trying to place this giant milk bottle. (is it a water tower, or is it full of milk?)

At first, I thought it might be Adohr Dairy.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=7940


Here's the photograph. (I'll post it LARGE)

Los Angeles

ebay

Notice the tank that resembles a gas-o-meter at far right -->
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Have a great Fourth of July everyone!!
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I just found this. It's pretty interesting.

Bottles in Mimetic Architecture
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/theso...e_July2003.pdf
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The best solution is to screengrab the images from these sites rather than hotlinking. This means that a (free) image hosting site like Photobucket, Flickr, ImageShack etc. must be used, but it's the best way to do it.

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While I'm throwing my two cents in, can I also make a plea for members to stop quoting entire image-heavy posts, especially when they're only adding one or two new images. Please try to reduce your quote to a relevant image or two so we know what you're talking about.

I tend to view this thread via laptop while on the move. Unless I am working with a large desktop monitor, a screen capture is impractical. This is true even with a third party host. I've tried zooming out to capture the full high-resolution image only to find that the saved image is unacceptably small - thus defeating the exercise. Can you suggest a screen capture program or other methodology that might work with smaller, laptop (windows) formats? What equipment-software are you using and - um er, I assume you have no problem viewing posts?

With respect, reposts are sometimes hard to avoid. At one point I tried to revise earlier posts to include new finds. Obvious problem is that the new find in a revised post will often be overlooked by most long time viewers. As you suggested, providing a link to the original post or reposting an edited version of the original are probably the only realistic answers. There are times though, where it is nice to see many other photos in context or for comparison's sake and this could require an image-heavy repost.
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I tend to view this thread via laptop while on the move. Unless I am working with a large desktop monitor, a screen capture is impractical. This is true even with a third party host. I've tried zooming out to capture the full high-resolution image only to find that the saved image is unacceptably small - thus defeating the exercise. Can you suggest a screen capture program or other methodology that might work with smaller, laptop (windows) formats? What equipment-software are you using and - um er, I assume you have no problem viewing posts?

With respect, reposts are sometimes hard to avoid. At one point I tried to revise earlier posts to include new finds. Obvious problem is that the new find in a revised post will often be overlooked by most long time viewers. As you suggested, providing a link to the original post or reposting an edited version of the original are probably the only realistic answers. There are times though, where it is nice to see many other photos in context or for comparison's sake and this could require an image-heavy repost.
I use Chrome and Windows 7...no problem viewing at this time but in the past I have seen the ''puzzle'' effect ER refers to. [Is hot-linking the cause of this? I seem to recall that was the problem but I could be mistaken on that.]

Also, my 2 cents, if I want to use one of the USC photos I scroll to the top of the photo and hit the SAVE button. A menu drops down and gives you a choice of which size you want to save to your computer. I think a direct SAVE is better than a screen grab[if USC offers it].


Here I have hit the SAVE button and a menu drops down. The only caveat is that USC does not allow one to SAVE certain photos....I don't know why...maybe they only want to sell certain photos.

USC page

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Can you suggest a screen capture program or other methodology that might work with smaller, laptop (windows) formats? What equipment-software are you using and - um er, I assume you have no problem viewing posts?
I'm still using Windows Vista, and the screengrab utility I use is OneNote which comes with MS Office (under 'Options' just change the 'Screen Clipping Defaults' to 'Copy To Clipboard Only'). A friend of mine, who uses his laptop for teaching purposes, swears by a utility called Jing. I found a roundup of free screengrabbing tools here.

You may be able to get a slightly bigger image by pressing F11 to enter 'Full screen' mode before you make your screengrab (works in Internet Explorer, Firefox and Chrome).

My laptop has a hi-res screen, which makes creating large screengrabs much easier. This has the side effect of corrupting some of your images. Here's how your recent picture of Santa Monica Blvd. and Highland appeared for me:



At least you include a link to the original image . BTW, this doesn't always happen, so maybe you could test it by zooming out (press Ctrl- a few times). A well-placed carriage return (pressing 'Enter') will probably sort it out .

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Also, my 2 cents, if I want to use one of the USC photos I scroll to the top of the photo and hit the SAVE button. A menu drops down and gives you a choice of which size you want to save to your computer. I think a direct SAVE is better than a screen grab[if USC offers it].
I'm not sure how long USC have offered the 'Large' option under 'Download'. I just tested it and got images slightly over 960 pixels wide. That's not much different to the true 1024 pixel width of the image above (I generally reduce my screengrabs to 1000 pixels wide to prevent excessive scrolling to the right). I'd agree that saving is preferable to grabbing, but it sometimes limits your options.

Another tip for members who aren't that familiar with USC: When you're adding the link for your picture, don't just copy the address at the top of your browser, click on 'Share' and 'Reference URL'. This will give you the option of referencing an individual photo within a set.
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Here are a couple interesting photographs of Hollywood dated 1929. I don't believe we've seen them before on NLA.

streets-unknown

ebay

above: I am intrigued by that small patch of eucalyptus trees up on the hill. I don't see a home on the lot, so I wonder
who planted them (since eucalyptus are non-native to California).



ebay

Especially intriguing in this view is that stand alone house on the hillside.
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It looks like there's a barricade at the cross street, lower left. (perhaps they're getting ready to pave it)
If only they had included the names of the streets on the reverse of the photos.
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Is it possible that these two photos are two halves of the same panoramic shot, perhaps with a little missing in the middle? The lower right corner of the bottom photo has "Holly" written on it, so maybe the photo was originally wider. I also think it looks more like 1919 or so than 1929.

I am also wondering if the stand alone house on the hillside -- apparently with one dormer -- is 2000 N. Gramercy Place. The house seems to be in about the right spot in relation to the background:

Google Earth

2000 N Gramercy Place -- with two dormers -- is at lower left in this 1924 photo (I'll wait while you scroll back up to compare):

LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics42/00070725.jpg (previously posted here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17740)

I will hazard a further, not-very-confident guess that the intersection in the foreground of er's photo(s) is Carlton Way (1 blk so. of Hollywood Blvd) and Wilton Place (1 block west of Gramercy).
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...snip

But I digress...

Perhaps after the Carletons' split (he had also invested in a Hupmobile franchise, btw), Lewis took over the property but continued operating two different hotels. Interesting that the design of the Armondale was an extension of the Congress's, so who knows what the agreement may have been between Carleton and Lewis.

Apr 18, 1914


All LAT
Interesting to find Dale Carlton a distant cousin of mine mentioned here. He was my 5th cousin 4 times removed. He was born in Leicester, Massachusetts 31 January 1857 and died in Riverside, California 29 March 1942. After he rid himself of Marie he married a woman from Pennsylvania 25 years younger. She was a nurse and took care of him in his old age.
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"And Chop Suey. (Any idea what exactly the "X" banner designates?"

Railroad Crossing. Also note the warning sign and bell adjacent to the building at the right side of the frame and the track in what I'd guess is Alameda St. before LAUPT was built.

Great set of pics, BTW! Thanks for posting!

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OK, BifRayRock's and Chuchaluck's photographs are again jigsaw puzzles on my computer.
I know we've discussed this numerous times in the past. What do I have to do on my end to correct this problem?

I know it's possible because I just noticed if I go to 'quote' a past post, and then keep scrolling down to previous posts on the same page, the photographs that were once 'jigsaws' are corrected. So why don't they appear that way the first time around?
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ER - I also use Windows Vista with Google Chrome. I have a Compaq laptop with a 15" screen. The system has to be 4-5 years old and certainly is nothing fancy. I don't have the 'jigsaw' problem you have, so I have a feeling that the difference may be in your screen resolution setting. Try this:

Go to your Control Panel Home.

Go to Appearance and Personalization

Click on Adjust Screen Resolution

Mine is set on 1280 by 768 pixels (I think you move the slider to adjust it)

Click on Apply, Yes, and then OK to make the change

See if this helps. If the kids were around, I might have a better answer for you. I'm still trying to figure out the 'smart' phone I got last week. I think it may be smarter that I am.

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Thanks for your help Chuckaluck. I'll try to figure it out with your suggestions.
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Here are a couple interesting photographs of Hollywood dated 1929. I don't believe we've seen them before on NLA.

streets-unknown

ebay

above: I am intrigued by that small patch of eucalyptus trees up on the hill. I don't see a home on the lot, so I wonder
who planted them (since eucalyptus are non-native to California).

When I saw your question about eucalypti, my mind immediately went back to a Ralph Story's Los Angeles episode on the tree's interesting history hereabouts. So I knew that there was one.

I found a retelling of it on the KCET site: http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...alifornia.html

Did you know that Abbot Kinney was State Forester from 1886 to 1888? While he was not the one who introduced the tree to this area, he was a huge promoter of it. People were intrigued by its quick and sometimes spectacular growth. People got the idea that the trees could provide quickly the lumber the area would need to grow. This led eventually to a speculative craze wherein people planted every spare patch of ground with the tree, sometimes ripping up profitable crops to do so.

The market collapsed once people figured out that eucalyptus wood is worthless as lumber, because of its utter lack of dimensional stability. The tree has endured nonetheless.
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