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Originally Posted by delts145
It seems to me that Utah could do a much better job of promoting itself(St. George) to Canada's millions of "Snowbirds". There are advantages to St. George over say Phoenix. One is the close-in natural surroundings are far more beautiful and varied. Also of course, the easy access to Vegas. St. George is an option that many would choose for various reasons, if they were just more aware of it.
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Grasscom, You seem to have a problem interpreting accurately what I intend to be innocuous and very elementary posts. First of all, I never said Phoenix is ugly, but you sure said it. As a city itself, I think there are many nice areas within the greater metro. I would be far kinder to Phoenix than most on this nation wide forum are. I actually said the
close-in scenery surrounding St. George is far more beautiful and varied. Try to actually read the post. Do we need to hit people over the head with details, such as between 25 to 50 miles surrounding St. George. We could then post pictures of Zions National Park or the Dixie National Forest(Pine Valley Mountains). You see, the majority of the people on the local forum are very aware of the
close-inscenery that surrounds St. George. To say that an endless array of spectacular close in scenery is, and I quote your words "incredibly ugly" sounds more like something someone would say that seems to have a preponderance for trolling and or bashing Utah.
Also, your insistence that I am always saying that all things in Utah or Salt Lake City are the very best is very inaccurate on your part. First of all, try to recognize the obvious meaning when a forum member states that a Utah topographical feature, such as the Wasatch Mountains are
among the or some of the prettiest mountains surrounding a major metro in the United States. "Among the" means exactly what it sounds like, and I think most of the forum members understand that. It does not mean it is THE BEST. It means it is in a group of peers, which are among the prettiest or most beautiful. For example, I do not think that the view from Silver Lake Flats of Timp. is the most beautiful view in the world. However, I do think it is
one of the most beautiful.You seriously donot seem to understand the difference. Same with the Vivint Arena. You insist somehow I said it was the best. I said no such thing. I said I felt it was among or one of the more attractively designed arenas in the NBA. I also used words such as one of the more timeless and elegant designs. Many agreed, and also some felt it is too simplistic or just an uninspired box. This is after all a forum where the primary intent is to offer up opinions on the design of buildings and their surrounding infrastructure. That said, while we all have varying opinions on the design of the Vivint Center, we all agreed that it needs more engagement around it's perimeter block.
You also implied that I somehow think that if Canadians knew about St. George they would
all move there. I said
many not all. What does that entail, 2%-5% more if better informed? Many does not mean all or even a majority. Do we really need to spell out an exact percentage. Yes, there are quite a reasonable number of retirees who would prefer a smaller city to Phoenix, and at the same time have the option of very convenient and leisurely access to the Entertainment Capital of the World. And yes, most on this forum, even those who are not particularly outdoor fanatics would agree that there are a respectable number who prefer the easy access to innumerable outdoor activities. Perhaps riding on the coattails of the Mighty Five commercials is quite enough for St. George to maintain a manageable growth. They would seem to be entering into another boom cycle, which any more growth added to that would be a negative effect.
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Originally Posted by grasscom
I like most of what you say Delts, but so much of the stuff you talk about is so subjective. I guarantee you most people will always choose Phoenix over St George as a snowbird destination simply because of the sheer size of the city. Also in my humble opinion, and I know plenty of peeps who agree, St George is incredibly ugly. (cool rock formations? sure! but not pretty by any stretch.) That being said, I also think Phoenix is ugly. I used to live there and I love the city (boring as crap) but its a good city. Lets be realistic though, St. George will always be a flyover city. (in some ways Salt Lake will always be too.)
The point of me responding this is, a lot of your posts need more pudding or stats and stuff to back up your points rather than a subjective feeling for a place. What I said was also very subjective, and is there to show that not everyone agrees with your way of thinking and what can or should be done. What we need is at least some evidence to back your point in order to be taken seriously.
As I do agree that Utah does need to better promote itself- Saying that there are advantages to St George over Phoenix is crap. Sure there may be a few if your an outdoor nut (keep in mind most people are not) Especially given the fact that most snowbirds are old people. Advantages in Phoenix far outweigh the advantages of St. George to most people. Unless they hate traffic and are obsessed with the outdoors then maybe the latter could happen.
Note that I'm not just talking about this one post of yours, so many of your posts are so subjective. And as I'm all for sharing your opinion, just make sure its not just your opinion trying to prove why things should happen. Or why things would happen a certain way. (I'm not saying that's what your saying in this previous post, but many many many or your posts about Salt Lake are very subjective and trying to explain why things will happen a certain way if they did this because of only your opinion. This just reminded me of all those previous posts... And in the past it seems as if sometimes whenever someone has a different opinion that you, you spend more time trying to prove your opinion right rather than just find actual facts to prove why something may improve the city.
Instead of proving things with subjective feelings or opinions like "because our mountains are better" "the Vivant Arena is one of the best in America" "St. George is more beautiful than Phoenix" Ect Ect.... Try saying things that are much more rooted than opinions that vary say like, "Because St. George is the golfing capital we can really try and capitalize on tourism by..." Because saying things like "Salt Lake mountains are the best" may only be true to some people. A lot of people I've known who visited ended up not liking them much because it made them feel claustrophobic. In a lot of peoples minds Colorado has the best mountains in America. Others believe its Switzerland who have the best mountains in the world. Same thing goes for St. George and the Vivant Arena. But saying something like how St. George is the Golfing capital... is a fact and has more meat on the bones and we can figure out thing or ideas to capitalize on that.
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