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Old Posted Oct 29, 2014, 7:57 PM
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I think all of you who use the word "renovation" have not been inside the arena. It truly was a "transformation", it looks nothing like it did previously. If you saw any of the specials on MSG, they pretty much redid the steal inside the arena. It's practically brand new in there.

With that being said, I still want the Garden to move into the annex section of the Farley Post office. That idea will make more sense to Dolan now that Manhattan West and Hudson Yards have extended the city west and that area will be much more desirable.
Well, excuuuuse me for using the incorrect term, Mr. Dictionary.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2014, 8:30 AM
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Tearing down Penn Station was a tragedy. But tearing down MSG would be the same. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Tearing down the high rise next to it for a new Penn Station would work but don't tear down an arena like MSG, esp post renovation.

When you look at the proposals put out a few years ago, it seems to me a new Penn Station should be something huge and dramatic yet contain architecture from the past. That should be in the MSG area, not over MSG.
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Tearing down Penn Station was a tragedy. But tearing down MSG would be the same. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Tearing down the high rise next to it for a new Penn Station would work but don't tear down an arena like MSG, esp post renovation.

When you look at the proposals put out a few years ago, it seems to me a new Penn Station should be something huge and dramatic yet contain architecture from the past. That should be in the MSG area, not over MSG.
Where would u put it then, because the tracks lay underneath MSG and that's the only place.
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Tearing down Penn Station was a tragedy. But tearing down MSG would be the same. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Tearing down the high rise next to it for a new Penn Station would work but don't tear down an arena like MSG, esp post renovation.

When you look at the proposals put out a few years ago, it seems to me a new Penn Station should be something huge and dramatic yet contain architecture from the past. That should be in the MSG area, not over MSG.
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Tearing down Penn Station was a tragedy. But tearing down MSG would be the same. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Tearing down the high rise next to it for a new Penn Station would work but don't tear down an arena like MSG, esp post renovation.

When you look at the proposals put out a few years ago, it seems to me a new Penn Station should be something huge and dramatic yet contain architecture from the past. That should be in the MSG area, not over MSG.
A new head house without redoing the track layout/platforms/vertical circulation is a pointless waste of money. Penn was never designed to deal with the peaky commuter traffic that is does. The platforms are too narrow, there are not enough stairs, circulation is a horror show. GCT gets away with this kind of use because it has an almost absurd number of tracks available but even it has reached the limits of the interlocking plant/design and the Park Ave tunnel during peak.
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The plan a few years back to move MSG to the West side of the Farley Post Office made the most sense, but that idea died and MSG went ahead with a billion dollar transformation of the Garden. The Farley idea would've been great, Kept MSG close by, utilized the Farley Post Office completely, and open up the old MSG to development of a NEW Penn Station and Tower.

Personally, if that would have happened, I would've wanted the New Penn to be as much a copy as the grand Old Penn Station, with modern conveniences.

As for those who say the Garden is outdated today.. it's obvious that those people have not stepped foot inside the new arena... it has been totally rebuilt from within.. totally new and it looks awesome now!
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The plan a few years back to move MSG to the West side of the Farley Post Office made the most sense, but that idea died and MSG went ahead with a billion dollar transformation of the Garden. The Farley idea would've been great, Kept MSG close by, utilized the Farley Post Office completely, and open up the old MSG to development of a NEW Penn Station and Tower.

Personally, if that would have happened, I would've wanted the New Penn to be as much a copy as the grand Old Penn Station, with modern conveniences.

As for those who say the Garden is outdated today.. it's obvious that those people have not stepped foot inside the new arena... it has been totally rebuilt from within.. totally new and it looks awesome now!
Tony, that's what I was trying to tell people a few days ago. They keep talking about how MSG is a dump, but as a person who travels a lot and goes to many sporting events, the transformed MSG is one of the most modern sports arenas in the NBA and I would assume NHL now.

The Farley annex is the best idea for the future move of the arena. NO ONE would have thought 5 years ago that the west side would be so desirable. Certainly not Dolan, he has no foresight. But now, with Manhattan West just finishing the decking over the yards, and signing an anchor tenant, plus the whole Hudson Yards complex one avenue away, the Farley annex is a great location for the next MSG.

Dolan plus the developers should work together to come up with a plan for 10 years time.
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A Late Arrival, Yes, But Moynihan Station Construction Is On Track
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Take a walk past the James A. Farley Post Office on Eighth Ave., between 31st and 33rd Sts., and you’ll see evidence that — after years of planning — the Moynihan Station project is finally under way, and poised to give Penn Station a grand new entrance.

The northern half of the front steps have been cordoned off. Two cranes are positioned near the 33rd St. side. On the building’s northeastern side, a small staircase leading to the street has been removed. On several recent visits, cement was being poured for a street-level walkway that will lead to one of the new entrances and construction workers were operating jackhammers, Caterpillar vehicles and cranes. Along Eighth Ave., the mesh barriers display renderings showing what the building will look like when the project is finished (Phase 1 Opening 2016 | esd.ny.gov/moynihan), and white mesh barriers along the length of the steps announce that the work is being done by the huge construction firm, Skanska USA.

“We’re installing a new skeleton [below street level],” one worker told this reporter. “All new steel!”





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What a relief to finally see this take off.
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is there a link for more pictures of the Moynihan Station construction progress??
also dont you think the mayor will compromise with MSG arena
and help to renovate the main parts of the train station.
400-500 millions to renovate/and or manage
I dont think NYC has the money to force out the the arena
and then pay for its own renovation......
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A 'suspicious' fire at Penn Station, in the under construction area at the Post Office. This will set things back a good bit.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/01/...under-control/
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http://gothamist.com/2015/01/13/susp...alarm_fire.php
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Per Bloomberg, the State's budget is allocating $250MM to extend Metro North to Penn.
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Vornado Could Give New York’s Penn Station Area New Lease on Life



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The area around New York’s Pennsylvania Station has long remained gritty and clogged with commuters as much of the rest of Manhattan has flourished.

Now Vornado Realty Trust is gearing up to change that.

One of the nation’s largest office landlords, Vornado is hoping to spark a revitalization of the area, where it is by far the dominant landowner, by investing hundreds of millions of dollars in new retail space, public plazas and other infrastructure, according to real-estate executives briefed on the plans.

The aim is to improve the desirability of the area’s office buildings, which are now deemed to be in a second-rate location and thus draw second-tier rent. If successful, it could mean dramatic growth in property value for Vornado. The company owns about nine million square feet in the neighborhood, including the 57-story 1 Penn Plaza, a portfolio with an estimated value of about $5.5 billion, according to Green Street Advisors.

“There is no reason that we cannot achieve very, very substantial rising rents in Penn Plaza—very substantial, enormous—with a little TLC,” Vornado Chief Executive Steven Roth said at a Citigroup Inc. investor conference last month, according to a transcript. “That’s going to be the principal focus of Vornado in the next short period of time, [the] next couple of years.”

These ambitions illustrate a new chapter for Vornado, which for the past three years has been slimming down by shedding extraneous businesses, including its huge portfolio of strip malls, to appease investor demands for simplicity. Now, with the company focused on offices and retail in New York and Washington, D.C., Mr. Roth appears to be shifting his attention again to growth.

The big question is whether the company will pull the trigger on the revamp of the Penn Station area.

Mr. Roth, 73 years old, has a reputation for indecision, taking his time on big moves and vacillating among different plans for years.

For a decade, he has been pledging to either rehabilitate the 1,700-room Hotel Pennsylvania across from Penn Station or to demolish it and replace it with an office tower. He still hasn’t announced a decision.

Before that, there was the former Alexander’s department store site on 59th Street and Lexington Ave., which sat vacant for years before he decided on a plan. Ultimately, this proved lucrative, as Vornado built the 55-story home of Bloomberg LP, topped by condominiums.

Still, analysts say Mr. Roth is energized as never before to overhaul the company before he retires—a move he has signaled is coming but isn’t imminent.

“They did have a reputation for being a very reluctant seller, very slow to make a decision,” said John Guinee, an analyst at Stifel, Nicolaus & Co. But as the company has simplified, Mr. Guinee says that has changed. “Vornado has displayed a sense of aggressiveness” lately, he said.

Mr. Roth appears to be highly focused on the Penn Station area, where he gradually built up his holdings throughout the 2000s. He recently hired Marc Ricks, a former economic-development official who worked in the administration of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, in part to work on the Penn Plaza plan. And the company contacted numerous architects last year for ideas about how to remake the area, and has showed some renderings to potential tenants.

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I hope so - that area is a joke.
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Vornado's upgrade of Penn Station area begins with new tech tenant



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Online marketing company Yodle is ditching a cool Manhattan neighborhood—and home to other tech firms—for one that is not quite as hip. The move is seen as a win for Vornado Realty Trust, which wants to transform the area surrounding Penn Station into the city’s next "in" destination for office and retail tenants.

Yodle will be moving into a new 114,000-square-foot space at Vornado's 330 W. 34th St. next week. Yodle is taking the top three floors in the 18-story, 700,000-square-foot property. The firm will be leaving 50 W. 23rd St.
In order to entice Yodle, Vornado agreed to build a dramatic 30-foot by 60-foot glass skylight in the space. The skylight, which sits above a central staircase that will connect the company’s three floors and disperse natural light throughout the space, created the kind of amenity that will make staff and visitors think about the building and the area in a whole new way, the company said.

“This neighborhood is going to be phenomenal,” said Yodle’s CEO, Court Cunningham. “But our primary concern was getting a space that will have high ceilings and lots of light and easy circulation and facilitate an open and collaborative environment.”

Mr. Cunningham said nearly $10 million was spent building the new office, including the elaborate and spacious skylight, with $6.4 million coming from Vornado and $2.2 million from Yodle. The tech firm is spending an additional $1 million furnishing the location. Yodle will initially take about 85,000 square feet and then grow into the full 114,000 square feet it leased over the next two years. In the next three years, Mr. Cunningham said he expects to almost double the number of employees from about 300 today to 550.
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Fashion Week Moving to Moynihan Station, Report Says

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The city's general post office is going couture.

New York Fashion Week will move to the Skylight at Moynihan Station, an event space inside the majestic building that houses the city's main post office branch at Eighth Avenue and 33rd Street, WWD first reported.

The Spring 2016 NYFW events will also take place inside Skylight Clarkson Square at 550 Washington St. in the West Village, according to Racked.

Fashion Week, where top designers show collections each year, was booted from its former home at Lincoln Center after park advocates sued the city's parks department for improper use of public space.

The new space is likely an interim home before a move to Hudson Yards' planned Culture Shed, according to Racked.
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Vornado plans overhaul of Penn Plaza led by Snohetta

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Vornado Realty Trust, the dominant property owner in the area surrounding Manhattan's Pennsylvania Station, hired the Snohetta architecture firm to design a master plan for an overhaul of its real estate in the district.

"It's the busiest transportation hub in North America, but it has very much been left behind," Mark Ricks, Vornado's senior vice president of development, said Monday evening at a meeting of a committee of Community Board 5, a group of neighborhood residents.

Snohetta, the Oslo-based firm that designed the public plaza in Times Square, has been asked to create a "framework" for the redesign of Vornado's buildings and street-level spaces in Penn Plaza, Ricks said. The landlord also is planning to close off a portion of West 33rd Street and limit nearby vehicular traffic in an experiment that may lead to a permanent pedestrian area near Madison Square Garden.

New York City officials have long wanted improvements in the area, which has suffered since the 1960s, when the old Beaux Arts Penn Station was torn down and replaced by Madison Square Garden and an office building, with the train station pushed underground. Fixing up the Penn Station and Madison Square Garden area is Vornado's "Big Kahuna," Chairman Steven Roth said in his annual letter to investors in April.

Roth has said he wants to capitalize on the development taking place to the west of the station, including the transformation of the James A. Farley post office building into a new regional transportation hub to be called Moynihan Station, and the Hudson Yards developments further to the west.

'Inextricably Linked'

Many Vornado buildings "are inextricably linked" to Penn Station, Ricks said. The real estate investment trust has more than 9 million square feet (836,000 square meters) of properties in Penn Plaza, including the 2 Penn Plaza office building above Penn Station and 1 Penn Plaza just to the north.

"As a public company with obligations to our shareholders, we want them to think about opportunities to upgrade our holdings for the benefit of our office tenants and shoppers, but we've also asked them to consider how to effectuate meaningful improvements to the station experience," Ricks said.

Once Snohetta's master plan is complete, different architects may be engaged to redesign individual buildings and public spaces, Ricks said.

"Snohetta and Vornado are working together to enliven the Penn District," Craig Dykers, a founder of the architecture firm, said in an e-mailed statement. "Our goals are to promote comfort and cultivate new identity to the district, dramatically improving the pedestrian, commuter and working environments surrounding what is the busiest transportation hub in America."

Street Closures

Vornado is poised to at least partially close off some streets that service what Ricks called "the collision of humanity," the hundreds of thousands of commuters who jam the streets near Penn Station. He described these closings as a temporary effort to collect data to be used to devise more permanent solutions.

Starting around July 19, and extending to Oct. 11, 33rd Street between Seventh Avenue and the Garden's loading dock will be completely closed, Ricks said. The street will be transformed into a pedestrian plaza, which could feature tables for dining, as well as musical performances, games and other forms of entertainment. Images he showed the committee included a yoga class and a juggler.

Thirty-Second Street would be limited to a single travel lane of vehicles, to open up more space for people to freely walk. The Vornado-owned Hotel Pennsylvania and Manhattan Mall make up the entire north side of that block.

Vornado has agreed to pay all costs associated with these efforts, Ricks said. He said the company plans to work "in close consultation" with the city and the 34th Street Partnership, which represents retailers in the area.

Ricks previously served as chief of staff to then-Deputy Mayor Daniel Doctoroff, who later became president of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg News.

Gloria Chin, a spokeswoman for the city department of transportation, didn't immediately respond to an e-mailed inquiry about the project.
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