Phoenix Development News (3) - Page 679

exit2lef · #**13561** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 12:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

I was just about the ask about the develope going up across the street from there? Are those apartments or a hotel. I've went the the other smaller spot a few times, really good lunch specials. Yeah, the closure of theRanch Market there had to be devistating. With the apartments or whatever going up, I was wondering if they were gonna have retail, it seems like a great opportunity to make it a real China Town but I guess that seems bleak. It's sad with the growing Asian population in our sprawling city, the population is just so spread throughout the town.

Sprawl aside, east Asian communities seem to have clustered organically along Dobson Road in Mesa and Chandler. There, Phoenix now has its own suburban Chinatown / Koreatown / Little Saigon similar to the Buford Highway outside Atlanta, Kearny Mesa outside San Diego, the San Gabriel Valley near Los Angeles, and Spring Mountain Road in Las Vegas. The 44th Street location of the COFCO Chinese Cultural Center always seemed arbitrary and artificial by comparison.

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Originally Posted by combusean

I had no idea the ranch market closed.

That place got me through a lot of impoverished home cooking. Sad.

Also, the whole corner of Dobson and Warner and Chandler may as will be Chinatown. Struggled for years to fill in, now it has majority Asian businesses on every corner i think. The Dobson corridor has long been home to Asian businesses all the way to the light rail.

The Chinese Cultural Center should probably be demolished. Its inward design doesn’t contribute at all to its sustainability, let alone its now-disappeared ethnic orientation.

I think that True North doesn't plan a complete demolition, but instead changes to the complex that will make it no longer recognizable as the Chinese Cultural Center it never really became. There continues to be militant opposition, though. Nearly every city council meeting seems to involve angry citizen comments, even when nothing related to the Chinese Cultural Center is on the agenda.

biggus diggus · #**13562** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 12:53 PM**

It was ranch market, not the one you are thinking of.

https://www.99ranch.com

Dobson is our Chinatown.

gymratmanaz · #**13563** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 1:50 PM**

Cool, thanks Biggus.

Obadno · #**13564** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 3:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

I had no idea the ranch market closed.

That place got me through a lot of impoverished home cooking. Sad.

Also, the whole corner of Dobson and Warner and Chandler may as will be Chinatown. Struggled for years to fill in, now it has majority Asian businesses on every corner i think. The Dobson corridor has long been home to Asian businesses all the way to the light rail.

The Chinese Cultural Center should probably be demolished. Its inward design doesn’t contribute at all to its sustainability, let alone its now-disappeared ethnic orientation.

Ive always told people that neighborhood is the closest thing we have to a Chinatown.

AnthonyPHX · #**13565** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 3:30 PM**

FAA Building permits just submitted for a 270-foot structure on the site of the historic Arizona Hardware Supply Co building. Anyone know what's going on there?

Certainly doesn't seem like an adaptive reuse at 270'. Maybe they preserve some of the facade? I don't see a total demo getting past the Historic Preservation phase.
Property looks like it's owned by 39 EAST JACKSON, LLC, with THUNDERBIRD LEGACY DEVELOPMENT, LLC and ARIZONA OPPORTUNITIES INDUSTRIALIZATION CENTER listed as managing members.

ASU Diablo · #**13566** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 3:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by AnthonyPHX

FAA Building permits just submitted for a 270-foot structure on the site of the historic Arizona Hardware Supply Co building. Anyone know what's going on there?

Certainly doesn't seem like an adaptive reuse at 270'. Maybe they preserve some of the facade? I don't see a total demo getting past the Historic Preservation phase.
Property looks like it's owned by 39 EAST JACKSON, LLC, with THUNDERBIRD LEGACY DEVELOPMENT, LLC and ARIZONA OPPORTUNITIES INDUSTRIALIZATION CENTER listed as managing members.

Hmmmm I remember someone bringing this up a couple of weeks ago as a rumor/possibility. Was it Biggus?

PHX31 · #**13567** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 3:34 PM**

39 E. Jackson is the south side. Would be awesome to see the parking lot behind the building get developed as a tower and the entire building save/revo'd as needed.

Obadno · #**13568** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 3:43 PM**

I was under the impression the Hardware store was just gettinga remodel, thought it would be a cool place for a bar, but if they are adding a Tower that would be awsome.

270' is taller than Stewart though isnt it?

CrestedSaguaro · #**13569** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 4:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

I was under the impression the Hardware store was just gettinga remodel, thought it would be a cool place for a bar, but if they are adding a Tower that would be awsome.

270' is taller than Stewart though isnt it?

This isn't for the Hardware Store location behind Stewart. This development is by Talking Stick Arena.

I saw this request yesterday and tried to research it. I think 270' might be tall for that lot though? Anyone know what the height limit is for that area?

muertecaza · #**13570** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 4:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

This isn't for the Hardware Store location behind Stewart. This development is by Talking Stick Arena.

I saw this request yesterday and tried to research it. I think 270' might be tall for that lot though? Anyone know what the height limit is for that area?

I think you're right. Downtown Phoenix is at about 1100' right? If so, this map would put that area at a 200-250' limit.

AnthonyPHX · #**13571** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 4:29 PM**

I thought that too, if the FAA approves 270' here we might be looking at an open door to build taller in the downtown core. Here's to hoping

I've always thought FAA's height limits were far too restrictive. I mean the airport's close, but not like San Diego close.

CrestedSaguaro · #**13572** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 5:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by AnthonyPHX

I thought that too, if the FAA approves 270' here we might be looking at an open door to build taller in the downtown core. Here's to hoping

I've always thought FAA's height limits were far too restrictive. I mean the airport's close, but not like San Diego close.

Yea, I feel Phoenix is restricted by about 100' too much. As a frequent visitor to Vegas, I watch the air traffic quite a bit. They get away with some pretty tall towers considering the proximity to McCarran. A lot of the planes departing McCarran will do u-turns right over the strip. It's all moot though. We can't even get a developer to build to the limits we have now.

Obadno · #**13573** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 5:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Yea, I feel Phoenix is restricted by about 100' to much. As a frequent visitor to Vegas, I watch the air traffic quite a bit. They get away with some pretty tall towers considering the proximity to McCarran. A lot of the planes departing McCarran will do u-turns right over the strip. It's all moot though. We can't even get a developer to build to the limits we have now.

And the actual flihgt path is really south of downtown.

ASU Diablo · #**13574** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 8:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

Multiple crane permits and building permits can be submitted. Block 23 did the same thing (4 crane permits and only 2 was put up). Not sure if it was because the attached requests contained mistakes or what not. 240' can be done on 17 floors. Block 23 residential will be 232' with 17 floors. It all just depends on the plate spacing. It would be unusual though for 17 to be 240'. Maybe they have a 2 level penthouse planned for the top or could be a large parapet or even a spire similar to 44 Monroe. I have seen filing permits under "Aspire" and "Duo on Fillmore" with Phoenix for quite a while now. So, I guess we'll see which name they go with.

Alright, a little bit more information I was able to gather on the Duo on Fillmore/Aspirant project from this presentation.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kfg...edfnXLl6q/view

Duo on Fillmore seems to be the winning name. From the renderings, I can't tell if it's one or two separate towers on the same podium? It goes from 15-17 stories if i'm counting right....

If it's just one tower on the lot, then I don't get the name. Unless they are planning another tower on the adjacent parcel(s) on 4th Ave/Fillmore?

CrestedSaguaro · #**13575** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 8:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo

Alright, a little bit more information I was able to gather on the Duo on Fillmore/Aspirant project from this presentation.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Kfg...edfnXLl6q/view

Duo on Fillmore seems to be the winning name. From the renderings, I can't tell if it's one or two separate towers on the same podium? It goes from 15-17 stories if i'm counting right....

If it's just one tower on the lot, then I don't get the name. Unless they are planning another tower on the adjacent parcel(s) on 4th Ave/Fillmore?

Hey, that looks like it might be pretty good...and of course very similar to Stewart. Hope to see this built. I see why it may turn out to be 240' for only 17 floors. It looks like floor 15 may have a taller floor plate, there is a tall parapet and looks like some type of small crown over the elevator shaft. This is definitely only 1 building. My guess is maybe a phased 2 tower development?

Obadno · #**13576** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 9:25 PM**

Im thinking one side will be APTS one will be Condos.

CrestedSaguaro · #**13577** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 10:54 PM**

Reached out to the Kenect developers via FB as the Kenect website was down. Also asked them when construction will start. Reply was within a few weeks. So sounds like they are about to move around the 1st or 2nd week of 2019. The Kenect website is also back up...although with no content yet.

Waiting for these developments to go is like waiting for water to boil...

vandypandybear · #**13578** Posted **Dec 18, 2018, 11:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

De Soto has about 20 parking spaces and the church across the alley allowed parking for De Soto.

Where did you get this "no parking" issue? ive never heard that?

From the listing broker. I was looking at the building for a different use. The parking to the South is owned by Amerco (Uhaul). They had to lease parking spaces to get the DeSoto market concept approved.

TJPHXskyscraperfan · #**13579** Posted **Dec 19, 2018, 1:04 AM**

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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz

I don't think it was a Ranch Market. It was a Chinese grocery store, and it was so ethnically awesome. Having worked in China, it was really cool to visit.

It was an Asian Ranch Market not the Los Altos. But they moved it to somewhere it South Scottsdale.

TJPHXskyscraperfan · #**13580** Posted **Dec 19, 2018, 1:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

I had no idea the ranch market closed.

That place got me through a lot of impoverished home cooking. Sad.

Also, the whole corner of Dobson and Warner and Chandler may as will be Chinatown. Struggled for years to fill in, now it has majority Asian businesses on every corner i think. The Dobson corridor has long been home to Asian businesses all the way to the light rail.

The Chinese Cultural Center should probably be demolished. Its inward design doesn’t contribute at all to its sustainability, let alone its now-disappeared ethnic orientation.

Yeah, I believe Chandler has the biggest percentage of Asians in the city. I remember looking at the 2010 census being at like 8 percent Asian for Chandles. It's probably even higher by now.