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hmmm. . .Huntington Palisades? ......
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So the Huntingtons were able to hold onto the Beach, the Park and the Library but the Palisades got away?
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Excellent follow-up post on Ciro's, Martin Pal.


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The small building in the background is obviously what stood on the empty lot as seen the eBay slide. ...Here



If I were to wager a guess that this was building a little real estate office.


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Does anyone know for sure what was in this little white building?



M P, I loved the wallpaper discovery! I wasn't aware that Ciro's had a basement.

Here's a bit of folk lore.

Why was/is one area of the club named 'The Belly Room'?

"The Comedy Store has multiple showrooms, including the main stage and a space known as the Belly Room. Though nothing online explains the name for the upstairs area, general manager Jody Barton said it may have something to do with the back-alley abortions performed on pregnant prostitutes during the building’s time as a club."


The basement.

"A popular stand-up comedy club on Sunset Boulevard, the establishment is haunted by a grim history. Before becoming The Comedy Store in the 1970s, the building was a Mafia-controlled nightclub called Ciro’s. The basement, which has since been renovated, was supposedly used to torture and kill those who posed a threat to the secrecy of the Mafia."

Both quotes from the Daily Bruin



Rediscovered wallpaper.


M P, your link to the other wallpaper photos doesn't work.
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If I were to wager a guess that this was building a little real estate office.


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Does anyone know for sure what was in this little white building?
I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.


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Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.


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Old Posted Jul 21, 2020, 8:36 PM
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Thanks Hoss!


I'm intrigued by the house with the huge M K M.

After I lightened the photo it became apparent the M K M are large cut-out letters.


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You can tell by the shadows they throw against the side of the house.


I tried to find information on MKM Motion Pictures Productions Inc. but came up empty.

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And meantime while we look into the M K M house's story, I became interested in li'l 8417 Sunset, sitting forlornly with its additional "1/2" on its single line between the other, multi-line, addresses on Hoss's list. But Research didn't bring me much:



LA Times, May 2, 1926



LA Times, April 6, 1960

So 8417 went from being a "palatial home" to being where cocktail waitresses lodged (no disrespect to cocktail waitresses intended).
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I'm intrigued by the house with the huge M K M.

After I lightened the photo it became apparent the M K M are large cut-out letters.


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You can tell by the shadows they throw against the side of the house.
Due to the positioning of the letters in the lower left corner of the sign, I think the shadows may be painted on to give the illusion of depth.

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I tried to find information Productions Inc. but came up empty.
This is all I found on MKM Motion Pictures. It's a full page advert from The Radio Annual and Television Yearbook, 1954. Although based in Arizona, there's a Hollywood address at 8556 Hillside Avenue - just up the hill from 8411 Sunset. The 1956 CD has the HO 9-5110 number listed to Dave Greene in apt 5 at 6052 Romaine Street.

I looked up the careers of John Bromfield and Chinook the Wonder Dog, both of whom were big in the '50s. I also found a couple of passing mentions of Lea Knox Marlow, but nothing on the proposed TV show, 'Peter Angel'.


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Here is more info on MKM Motion Pictures 8411 Sunset Blvd. and Lea Knox Marlow.



Film Bulletin
May 18, 1953

This is Lea Knox Marlow as seen in the 1956 edition of the Film Daily Yearbook of Motion Pictures
Courtesy Bison Archives



and some background on one of her proposed TV show "Peter Angel" starring Chinook, the wonder dog.


The Radio Annual, 1954


MKM MOTION PICTURES, Inc.
Laveen, Arizona
In Preparation on New Television Series
"PETER ANGEL"
The Gripping Adventures of a Wandering Man of God and his dog
Direction, Story and Screen Play
by
LEA KNOX MARLOW

Produced by
DON KEITH

Starring
JOHN BROMFIELD
and
Chinook
(Academy Award Winner Wonder Dog)

All Television Supervision by
CARL HUGHES CONS

All rights and privileges of use of title and story "Peter Angel"
Exclusive property of

MKM MOTION PICTURES, Inc

Address all communications to:

L K. MARLOW
Hollywood Representative
8556 Hillside Ave., Hollywood, Calif.
Phone: HOllywood 9-5110

Full text of "The Radio Annual and Television Yearbook, 1954"

https://archive.org/stream/radioannu...0radi_djvu.txt



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I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.


gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.


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So the Huntingtons were able to hold onto the Beach, the Park and the Library but the Palisades got away?
That palisade has eroded substantially over the years. If you compare current Google Maps to the aerial, it’s quite a time suck to analyze the differences. Maybe the Huntington part just fell off the edge.
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Take a look at this amazing amateur slide of Circo's c.1950s


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We've seen this 1949 photo before:

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I think our mystery building is the one behind the billboards in this night view of Sunset Strip from July 19, 1957 (date from USC's blurrier version of the photo). The bright neon on Ciro's can be seen behind it.


gettyimages.com.

Here's that side of Sunset from the 1956 CD. The MKM Motion Pictures building at 8411 Sunset can be seen at the right of the picture above, so I'm guessing that the mystery building was at 8423 (which includes Gates Realty amongst its tenants). I don't think the building was there very long as the Gene Autry Hotel took its site and the empty lot on the corner in 1963.


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I was trying to figure out possible dates for the slide E_R posted and then the color one that shows Ciro's being painted.

First, in the 1949 view of Sunset Blvd. above, am I correct that the "M K M" (to be) house is there (white or light color) on the hill behind/under those trees?

Also, in the Ciro's photo that shows the "real estate" (8423) house, I was assuming for the longest time that Ciro's, shown being painted, was being painted beige/pink, but then it dawned on me it actually might be being painted brown. Now I'm not sure at all which.

Most all of Ciro's exterior photos I've been looking at online are not dated, nor do most all of them show the "real estate" (8423) house. HossC's photo of the area from July 19, 1957, shows Ciro's, obviously, but I can't really tell what color it is in that photo. (By the way, Ciro's closed in Dec. of 1957.)

Below: I believe this particular photo (only noted as possibly 1955) seems to show the M K M house (to be) with the trees and painted white, and no "real estate" (8423) building yet. CLICK ON THE PHOTO FOR LARGE SIZE.

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This previously seen photo below on NLA does show the "real estate" (8423) building, though it's behind the car. Ciro's color is not the same brown as above...



... and the sides of the "real estate" (8423) building look to be painted gray, not white as in the picture below:

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Also, in the above photo, to the left of E_R's red arrow, what is that on the pole sticking up from the sidewalk. It looks like a street sign, but if it is, it's quite aways away from the street.



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M P, I loved the wallpaper discovery! I wasn't aware that Ciro's had a basement.

Rediscovered wallpaper.


M P, your link to the other wallpaper photos doesn't work.
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E_R the link still works for me.

LINK:
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Besides these two photos, six more shots of the wallpaper HERE
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If not, try this one HERE and scroll down a little.

If that doesn't work, try searching Ciro's Memorabilia Facebook.
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The guy in the 53-55 Vette outside Ciro's sure looks a lot like Bobby Vinton.
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A view down Olive St. from just past the Fremont Hotel, 1928.





There's some major construction underway in the middle of the street.
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We're actually looking down 4th Street with Olive crossing the frame just beyond the Fremont Hotel. Great photo.
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Also, in the above photo, to the left of E_R's red arrow, what is that on the pole sticking up from the sidewalk. It looks like a street sign, but if it is, it's quite aways away from the street.
I can't find any other pictures showing that sign. It was opposite N Olive Drive, so my best guess is that it marked the intersection of Sunset Boulevard and N Olive Drive.
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I have a question. (maybe we've already covered it)

Did Ciro's utilize the old Club Seville building or did they build a completely new building?



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"The first nightspot to occupy this site was Club Seville, opened New Year’s Eve 1935 by 12-31-35 Marcel Lamaze and Al “de Freitas” (Alfred B. Freitas). Both had long associations with Sunset Strip clubs: Freitas had run a previous Club Seville at 8428 Sunset that was raided during Prohibition; LaMaze, lately arrived from Miami by way of New York, would have ties to 9039 Sunset as well as the Clover Club at 8477 Sunset. The highlight of Club Seville was its Crystal Marine Room, featuring a crystal dance floor with subsurface fish, fountains and colored lights."
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The Crystal Marine Room sounds like a real trip. A dance floor with live fish underneath! Am I reading that right?



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E_R, while reading various things about Ciro's the past few days, this is something I read on the Playground to the Stars website: HERE.


Louis Adlon, son of the proprietor of Berlin’s Hotel Adlon, opened Hollywood’s first iteration of Ciro’s in 1934. Located on Hollywood Boulevard, the club was informally part of a chain with locations in London, Paris and Berlin. The Hollywood Ciro’s was not a success, apparently, because it soon folded.

[I HAVE A QUESTION...HAVE WE EVER SEEN A PHOTO OF THIS 1934 CIRO'S ON HOLLYWOOD BLVD.?]

In 1935, the building at 8433 Sunset Blvd. that would later house the Sunset Strip’s Ciro’s was completed. The first tenant was Al De Freitas’ Club Seville, where the gimmick was a dance floor made from sheets of glass over a giant aquarium. But dancing on fish proved not to be popular, and the club closed within a year.

In 1940, six years after he successfully launched Cafe Trocadero down the street in Sunset Plaza, Hollywood Reporter publisher Billy Wilkerson acquired the former Club Seville building, redesigned the interior in his trademark Hollywood style and opened a new Ciro’s in the space on January 31.

Wilkerson created Ciro’s as a “celebrities only” club, but by the summer of 1942 he had lost interest in it. In November, he leased it to Herman Hover, who reconfigured the layout and opened it up to the public as well as the stars. In June, the building was nearly destroyed by fire. It was closed for four months, after which Hover purchased the building from Wilkerson.


See this post about the fire:
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35844
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There are three building permits for 8433 Sunset from 1940, all listing the owner as W R Wilkerson:

August 19th - "Enlarging present cafe to make more storage and kitchen space."
September 4th - "Add third floor to existing bldg, install new fire escape."
September 10th - "Enlarging present cafe to make kitchen & storage space - supplementary valuation No increase in size. Add partition."

BTW. The 1940 CD lists 8433 Sunset under 'Restaurants and Lunch Rooms' as "Knew & La Maze".
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In 2016, there were some posts concerning a tenant of Ciro's neighbor, the Hacienda Park Apartments aka Coronet Apartments aka Piazza del Sol.

The Hacienda Noir cast of characters.

Cast:
Paul Ivar Wharton
Mrs. W. A. Wharton
William McCauley Howard
N. C. McDermott
Henry E. Bolte
Virginia Bolte

There were newspaper photos of Paul, Henry and Virginia.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35843
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35932
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35933
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=35945

I discovered a recent (2019) and more detailed article about this story on WeHoVille, which includes a couple different photos and also one of "William McCauley Howard" (Billy) whom we hadn't seen.

LINK: The Strange Men Murder

This is part of a series of articles, all linked below:

Hacienda Park and the Origins of the Sunset Strip
Part 1. Riviera in the Foothills
Part 2. An All American Tragedy
Part 3. The ‘Strange Men’ Murder
Part 4. Out of the Ashes
Part 5. Coronet Apartments: Villa of Vice?
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Louis Adlon, son of the proprietor of Berlin’s Hotel Adlon, opened Hollywood’s first iteration of Ciro’s in 1934. Located on Hollywood Boulevard, the club was informally part of a chain with locations in London, Paris and Berlin. The Hollywood Ciro’s was not a success, apparently, because it soon folded.

[I HAVE A QUESTION...HAVE WE EVER SEEN A PHOTO OF THIS 1934 CIRO'S ON HOLLYWOOD BLVD.?]
Here's a piece about the opening of the original Ciro's on Hollywood Boulevard from Hollywood Filmograph (Jan-Oct 1934):


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Strangely, the only Club New Yorker I could find in Hollywood in the CDs was at 6728 Hollywood Boulevard in the 1936 CD (i.e. two years after the early Ciro's opened). That's the basement of the now-demolished section of the Hotel Christie which was covered in the early pages of NLA.
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Thanks, HossC. The notation that the Hollywood Blvd. Ciro's was "informally part of a chain with the others in London, Paris and Berlin..."

There's this British Pathe reel from 1932 about the London one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5NKL7QqfA
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Hello all. I believe that in the early days this thread someone posted an early photo or two of Nichols Ranch in West Hollywood but I can't find them now. Can anyone point me to that post, or if you know the photos I mean, re-post them? Thanks in advance.
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