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Old Posted Nov 16, 2009, 1:22 AM
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I rode it this morning, but of course, don't have a card reader at home (must have left it a work) so no pics from today.

It works well, I was surprised that the trains don't have signal priority in most cases

otherwise, it seemed to work well, they ran 7-8 minute headways for the crowds.
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My experience was different. The MTA sucks big enchiladas.

I know, I know, in my earlier post I said I wasn't going to ride the Gold Line today, but I did. I got on at Mission Station in South Pasadena, which didn't have a large crowd. I was very happy to see that they were running the three-car trains, too. I got on the train around 11:40am-ish, and all the seats were taken, but hardly anyone standing, so I stood where I often like to stand, in the part of the car that pivots. I thought it would be an uneventful ride to the Little Tokyo station, which was where I wanted to get off.

But then when the train pulled into Union Station, I sat there for a number of minutes and wondered why the train was just sitting there, and then I realized that the train I was just on was going to go back towards Pasadena. It turns out that for today, at Union Station, if I wanted to continue on, I had to get off the train, go downstairs and then line up in a very long line for the train headed towards East LA. Such bullshit. They couldn't have just run the trains on the Gold Line like normal. Needless to say, I wasn't very happy. I ended up getting out at Union Station and walking the rest of the way to Little Tokyo. Later on, I knew not to board the Gold Line at the Little Tokyo Station or at Union Station; instead I walked to the Chinatown Station. Of course, there was no crowd at that station, but man the train was crowded headed back to Pasadena.

I'll definitely ride the Gold Line next weekend, though.
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That I why I rode it at 8:30 this morning. All was good, and had a seat every time. Finished my excursion around 10:30. It was getting crowded about then.

Because of the East Side headways, they were only running the train from Pasadena on a regular schedule and it only went to Union Station. I didn't know that they made you go downstairs to wait in line. that sucks.


Found a card reader at home, will post a few pics in a bit. pos brand new frys card reader = fail
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There was a feature story about the Gold Line and LA transit past and present in general on The National (CBC) this evening.

http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/watch/

Story starts at 19:39 .
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Some photos from opening day...


From Flickr, by transitpeople


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In those videos Threehundred provided, it looks pretty slow. Is that how it's gonna be?
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Its slow on the overpass on top of the 101, but it has a very sharp curve, so that is explainable.

It is also slow out at the East L.A. Civic Center, the train stops for red lights, and is generally slow. I would say it works well and runs pretty fast up to Indiana Street. Its 2009, why on earth a brand new train line doesn't have signal priority is mind boggling.
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That I why I rode it at 8:30 this morning. All was good, and had a seat every time. Finished my excursion around 10:30. It was getting crowded about then.

Because of the East Side headways, they were only running the train from Pasadena on a regular schedule and it only went to Union Station. I didn't know that they made you go downstairs to wait in line. that sucks.


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Does the camera have a USB port? If so, plug it into your computer.
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Does the camera have a USB port? If so, plug it into your computer.
no mini usb around, lots of my crap is a work, I was transferring and backing up las week, brought my big box o' cables there. Oh well, will share tomorrow.
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It turns out that for today, at Union Station, if I wanted to continue on, I had to get off the train, go downstairs and then line up in a very long line for the train headed towards East LA.
Ouch! Yeah I had to do the same coming from Pasadena, but they made sure to clear everyone off the train once it had reached Union Station. I think the rationale was, since every train was packed by the time it reached there, those who were trying to start out from Union Station to check out the new part of the line were always going to be unable to fit on the trains, so it was an attempt by MTA to 'level the playing field' or something (everyone gets in line at the same place). But so much chaos, loudspeakers, and yelling officials did impart a certain Third World atmosphere to the place...
The line overall was smooth and efficient, some of the new underground stations are quite slick. There was plenty of live music, booths, etc. interspersed, lots of energy. I couldn't count how many times I heard people making plans for *next* weekend, exploring around again, we'll see how the numbers look in a few months...

Here are a few more snapshots from the day...the last one shows the live performance of the new song, "Linea de Oro" (seriously!)...



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I couldn't count how many times I heard people making plans for *next* weekend, exploring around again, we'll see how the numbers look in a few months...
Opening day attracted some 50,000 riders, according to The Source.
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I love that pulsating egg at the Soto station. Even though there was really nothing to do outside Soto station as far as I was aware of. The station that seemed to have the most potential activity was Mariachi Plaza.
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In L.A., which is the best way west? (LA Times)

In L.A., which is the best way west?

Bloomekatz, Ari B.
Los Angeles Times

11/15/09

As the $5-billion subway draws closer to reality, the debate over the most
beneficial route intensifies.

Building a subway through the Westside has been the Holy Grail of
transportation planners for decades, and many feel they are closer to tunneling
than ever before.

Backers envision subway cars packed with shoppers balancing Prada and Barneys
bags after Beverly Hills shopping excursions and surfers with their boards
tucked under their arms heading for the morning waves, as well as workers.

But now, as Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has pushed to fast-track the
long-delayed Westside subway extension, there is debate about whether the route
for the roughly $5-billion project gets the most bang for the buck.

It's a familiar problem in Los Angeles, a city developed for the automobile
whose sprawl makes it difficult for rail lines to cover enough ground to make
commuting simple.

The first leg of the Westside extension would spur west from the existing
Purple Line along Wilshire Boulevard from Western Avenue to Fairfax Avenue.
Wilshire is L.A.'s legendary roadway, lined with office towers, shops and
restaurants. The route would go through the Miracle Mile shopping district and
stop at the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, which has lobbied heavily for the
line.

From there, future phases would take the Purple Line through Beverly Hills,
Century City and Westwood.

That route, however, bypasses some key Westside shopping and business areas
in Hollywood and West Hollywood, including Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, the
Beverly Center and the Pacific Design Center.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is considering an extension route
that would cover those areas, but it probably would not be built until after the
Wilshire link is done.

The mayor wants the entire Purple Line extension to Westwood completed in the
next 10 years, a tall order for a project that has been discussed for nearly
four decades and still needs funding.

Current plans have the subway reaching Westwood by 2036, using a mix of
revenue from an L.A. County transportation sales tax and federal funding that
the MTA is seeking but has not yet received.

"We really determined that Wilshire would have to come first. You're trying
to hook up the Purple Line with Beverly Hills, Century City and Westwood, where
the big ridership would be," said David Mieger, MTA's project manager for the
subway.

"The heaviest-used bus lines, the heaviest-congestion corridors, are north
and south of Wilshire Boulevard."

The MTA unveiled the West Hollywood extension to great enthusiasm from
community groups. The leg would run as an extension from the Red Line in
Hollywood through parts of Hollywood and West Hollywood and would connect with
the proposed extension of the Purple Line near the intersection of Wilshire and
La Cienega boulevards. The Purple Line would then go west along Wilshire to
Westwood.

The Purple Line extension to Westwood would generate an estimated 49,000
daily boardings at the new stations and a total of 76,000 new daily boardings
throughout the system, according to early studies from the MTA that are being
updated. Ridership would increase by 17,900 at new stations if the West
Hollywood link is built, according to MTA numbers.

That compares to an average of 78,955 weekday riders on the Long
Beach-to-downtown L.A. Blue Line, 149,597 on the downtown-to-North Hollywood Red
Line, 38,619 on the Norwalk-to-Redondo Beach Green Line and 22,476 on the
downtown-to-Pasadena Gold Line, according to the most current ridership counts
from the MTA.

The dilemma is a familiar one for transportation planners, who have struggled
to build light-rail routes to capture the most riders possible.

This is difficult because Los Angeles is so spread out and designed for the
car, not rail lines.

L.A. has far fewer rail lines than New York, Chicago and other large cities,
so passengers often must transfer to buses to complete their trips.

Con Howe, the former director of planning for the city of Los Angeles and now
managing director of the CityView Los Angeles Fund, pointed to one example: the
MTA's decision not to build the Green Line into Los Angeles International
Airport, meaning that people who want to take public transportation to the
airport have to take a shuttle to the passenger terminal.

"Unlike New York City, you're never going to have 100 years of subway
construction in the city," he said.

Anastasia Loukaitou-Sideris, chairwoman of UCLA's Department of Urban
Planning, said the West Hollywood alignment is important because the idea of
transit is to go to "where you have major concentrations of jobs and people."

"There is a trade-off: It would cost considerably more money. It's all about
how much money is available," she said.

Loukaitou-Sideris said that Angelenos are not tapped into a pedestrian
culture and that most people are reluctant to walk more than a quarter-mile to a
destination.

If that holds true, many who would take the Wilshire subway would need
transit to places such as Cedars-Sinai, the Beverly Center and the Westside
Pavilion.

Some commuters said they were excited about the Wilshire extension but added
that a route through West Hollywood made more sense to them.

Last week, Sharon Richards stepped off the subway at the end of the line and
made her way to the Metro Rapid bus that runs along Wilshire Boulevard -- the
fourth part of her roughly two-hour commute to work in West Hollywood.

"Oooooh, it's gonna be packed," she said as the 720 Rapid approached. "Feel
like a sardine."

Richards, 61, has been commuting from Upland to her job as a manager at
Cedars-Sinai for more than two decades.

She wakes before dawn, drives to a park-and-ride and catches a bus in
Montclair just after 5 a.m., arrives at Union Station where she takes the Purple
Line to its last stop, takes the Wilshire bus to La Cienega Boulevard and then
hoofs for it the last stretch, a little more than half a mile, to her desk.

"I'm late," Richards muttered as she rushed off the 720.

She said a direct stop near the Beverly Center and Cedars-Sinai would help
her and other employees commute.

Jeanne Flores, senior vice president in charge of human resources at
Cedars-Sinai, said that fewer than 10% of the 11,000 employees at the medical
center use public transportation to get to work.

"The public transportation systems just are not adequate to support our
location and the hours that people work," Flores said. "People resign because
they just can't do the commute anymore."

Supporters of the Wilshire corridor say it is the simplest and most logical
route to take and would be heavily used. They don't deny that a route through
West Hollywood would be beneficial, but they note the huge population, cultural
and employment centers along the Wilshire route and say that places like
Cedars-Sinai and the Beverly Center will be close to future stops along that
alignment.

"There's absolutely no question that it should go straight out Wilshire,"
said Los Angeles City Councilman Tom LaBonge, whose district is included in the
first phase of the subway.

"At the same time, the concept of coming off the Hollywood line is absolutely
necessary as well, because that is the de facto Beverly Hills freeway."

LaBonge is referring to the ill-fated freeway that the California Department
of Transportation wanted to build along Santa Monica Boulevard from north of
downtown to West Los Angeles.

Residents strongly opposed the freeway, and the plan was eventually killed.
But that decision is considered one factor in the Westside's notoriously
congested traffic.

The Beverly Hills freeway could have run through West Hollywood, where the
Mayor Pro Tem, John Heilman, now strongly supports a subway.

Heilman said the West Hollywood route make sense because it would provide a
rail alternative for north-south commuters who live in the Valley but work on
the Westside.

"No one disputes that Wilshire needs to be served, but a lot of the traffic
that is going westbound is coming over from the Valley" and through West
Hollywood, he said.

The MTA's directors will make a final decision on the Westside subway
alignment next year.

Officials said it's possible that the West Hollywood route could be built
after the Purple Line gets to Westwood -- if it ever gets that far. But then, it
would probably compete for money with a plan to build the Purple Line extension
through Santa Monica.
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I put my photos up on a proper photo thread here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=175727

here are a couple from the morning yesterday:




again, there are 20 ish photos in My City Photos section, didn't want to fill this thread with tons of shots.
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^ Again, great photos. This shot is my favorite:



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Opening day attracted some 50,000 riders, according to The Source.
The Source is now reporting opening day ridership of 75,000.
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I know it was for free, but still, thats alot of people.
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That video was great! Seeing all the beautiful new stations makes me happy and sad, because I know within a few weeks from opening they're gonna be dirty, sticky and vandalized...
LA's metro is very clean and for the most part, free of vandalism. I hope that continues with this line.
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It was very crowded. I boarded the trains from Little Tokyo, and the trains departing from Union Station were always packed. This was after sundown too when all the festivities were over...70,000 makes sense.
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It seems that the slow segment between Union Station and Little Tokyo might be getting a bit faster.

From blogdowntown (http://blogdowntown.com/2009/11/4858...eed-gold-lines):

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DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES — The Gold Line Eastside Extension opened to much fanfare and big crowds on Sunday, but those looking to use the line for day-to-day commuting may have been a bit puzzled at why it takes so long for trains to travel the elevated track between Little Tokyo / Arts District and Union Station.

Currently, trains operate between the two stations at just 10mph, taking approximately four minutes to travel the half-mile span.

That speed is determined by signals running through the tracks, and operators are unable to exceed what the car picks up.

That same stretch has a second signal telling the cars that they can go 15mph, but it is being ignored right now because only half the cars operating on the line can see it.

On Thursday, Metro's Operations committee is expected to approve a $400,000 contract with GE to update software on 26 cars that were brought over from the Green Line in 2003.

The new code will allow the P2000 cars to pick up the faster signal and should reduce travel time between the two stations to a little under three minutes.

While a minute saved might not sound like much, when it comes to transit every little bit counts.
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