NEW YORK | 220 Central Park So.| 952 FT | 70 FLOORS

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by nomad11

Has Mr. AM Stern ever designed a supertall in NYC that has actually been built? Or could this be his 'crowning achievement' so to speak?

This would be his tallest if it becomes true. Right now time will tell pertaining to 220 Central Park. I checked some of his projects on the official site and there all mid rises. I did see the Four Seasons Downtown but that's probably closest thing to that height(926 feet).

Database of Projects by robert a.m. stern architects
http://www.ramsa.com/en/projects-search/index.html

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[nomad11]

Yea a supertall with his style would be great. Imagine gazing up at this potential building in a few years and getting the impression that you're back in the 1920s or 30s...but then you get a reality check when you see all its modern supertall neighbors (One57, Steinway, Nordstrom)

[NYguy]

Stern designed 15 CPW, which is the current star of the immediate area, one of the hottest of the past few years in New York. Of course, they had a lot more land to work with there. He's also designed the slender, 780 ft 45 E. 60th street to go as high as it could because the developers wanted to tap into the current market (and repeat success there). With that market along the southside of Central Park calling for high condos, it doesn't surprise me this will be pushed upward.


http://www.15cpw.com/home.html









Views over the park...

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by NYguy

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/10/...al-park-south/

Vornado, Extell bury hatchet at 220 Central Park South

On to the next fight...

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/10/...h-street-site/

Extell sues Sheldon Solow in latest blow over 57th Street site





October 10, 2013 12:12AM
By Katherine Clarke

....Solow has allegedly refused to grant access to his three properties ringing Barnett’s site. Barnett claimed he needs access to 10 West 57th Street, 20 West 57th Street and 19 West 56th Street to conduct structural surveys and install protections before demolishing an existing five-story building on his site.

Barnett is preparing the property for development – likely a hotel project — despite having put it on the block earlier this year with Darcy Stacom and Bill Shanahan of CBRE, according to previous reports. Solow had initially expressed interest in purchasing the site, but those negotiations collapsed in July, prompting Barnett to decide to develop it himself, according to the petition......With the addition of 16-18 West 57th Street, Solow would have had a 23,750-square-foot lot with a total 356,250 buildable square feet, according to previous reports.

[NYguy]

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[antinimby]

RAMS will do a great job here. it'll probably be classic CPS architecture. I just feel it.

Vornado wants to mimic the same success as 15 CPW (who doesn't?).

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by antinimby

RAMS will do a great job here. it'll probably be classic CPS architecture. I just feel it.

Vornado wants to mimic the same success as 15 CPW (who doesn't?).

Posted earlier:

David Greenbaum, the Vornado executive in charge of the project, told analysts on a conference call earlier this month that the residential development site is "probably the best in Manhattan, with unobstructed views of the park." "We've got enormous financial aspirations for this development," Mr. Greenbaum said...

They're going to go all out here.

[sparkling]

Originally Posted by NYguy

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When you look at the site from 58th street, there is a building with black fire escape stairway. Is it coming down too or it's part of 230 CPS?

[scalziand]

That's the back of 222 CPS.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by sparkling

When you look at the site from 58th street, there is a building with black fire escape stairway. Is it coming down too or it's part of 230 CPS?

It's the building to the right in the bottom photo, itself another landmark...


http://newyorkitecture.com/2013/07/1...rough-studios/

Gainsborough Studios is a distinctively detailed, colorful cooperative apartment building on a street sometimes termed bland.

The 1908 landmark was a cooperative in the original sense – intended for a community of artists – and designed for studios. The park-facing apartments are all duplexes, with double-height windows to capture the light. The rear apartments are all standard-height units. Alas, the apartments’ multi-million-dollar price tags are out of artists’ reach.

The facade was restored in 1988 – the same year the building was designated a NYC landmark.

The building next door (220 Central Park South) was demolished, and the lot will remain vacant and boarded up until the joint owners can settle their dispute. Vornado Real Estate Trust wants to build a new tower; Extell, which owns the underground parking garage (accessed via W 58th Street) won’t vacate. Extell also owns the new One57 tower and is building the 1,500-foot-tall Nordstrom Tower directly behind 220 Central Park South.

It seems that historic Gainsborough Studios will soon be dwarfed by its new neighbors east and south.

Gainsborough Studios Vital Statistics

•Location: 222 Central Park South between Seventh Avenue and Broadway
•Year completed: 1908
•Architect: Charles W. Buckham
•Floors: 16
•Style: Victorian / Edwardian
•New York City Landmark: 1988

[sparkling]

Thanks @scalziand and @nyguy for clarifying the situation. I am wondering about the feasibility of Vornado acquiring the building and doing something similar to JDS and Steinway down the block. Just speculating here but it seems to me that the Landmark commission is primarily interested in preserving the façade and might ok the demolition of Gainsborough Studios' rear portion. Any thoughts about that?

[-Filipe-]

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...ark-south.html

920 ft tall

[McSky]

Originally Posted by sparkling

Thanks @scalziand and @nyguy for clarifying the situation. I am wondering about the feasibility of Vornado acquiring the building and doing something similar to JDS and Steinway down the block. Just speculating here but it seems to me that the Landmark commission is primarily interested in preserving the façade and might ok the demolition of Gainsborough Studios' rear portion. Any thoughts about that?

Well, to look at the rear half of the Gainsborough, you'd never imagine it was a landmarked building. It's a generic 16-story apartment building. The "personality" is all on the 59th Street side, with the studios, large windows and decor. The LPC already allowed Extell to remove part of the (newly landmarked) BF Goodrich Building on Broadway in order to preserve the facade, so they might be open to the same for the Gainsborough (here, they would be retaining more with the entire front half of the building, not just a facade). But is this even necessary given Vornado's plans for 220 CPS?

[sparkling]

Originally Posted by McSky

Well, to look at the rear half of the Gainsborough, you'd never imagine it was a landmarked building. It's a generic 16-story apartment building. The "personality" is all on the 59th Street side, with the studios, large windows and decor. The LPC already allowed Extell to remove part of the (newly landmarked) BF Goodrich Building on Broadway in order to preserve the facade, so they might be open to the same for the Gainsborough (here, they would be retaining more with the entire front half of the building, not just a facade). But is this even necessary given Vornado's plans for 220 CPS?

I was just thinking about the possibility since it would give them larger footprint but I just read that article. It seems Vornado already made up their minds
http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-h...9/SS-2-355284/

"A long-running feud between two of the city’s most powerful developers has come to an end, clearing the way for two soaring new condo towers on the southern edge of Central Park.

Vornado Realty Trust and Extell Development Co. on Tuesday announced they settled a dispute in which Extell had been blocking Vornado from building on a prime development site at 220 Central Park South.

The resolution came after Vornado agreed to pay $194 million to buy a small parcel Extell owns on the block as well as other air rights, and both Vornado and Extell would shift their planned towers so the two could enjoy park views.

The payment to Extell amounts to a very large check for a relatively small amount of development rights, equal to $1,400 a buildable square foot—double what many developers have been paying lately in other parts of the city.

That price tag likely comes in part because Extell had been holding up Vornado’s development by purchasing control of a lease in the parking garage of Vornado’s property. Extell then refused to let Vornado tear the garage down and make way for a condo tower.

Instead, the two developers sparred legally, with Vornado seeking to evict Extell. Now, after more than three years of on-and-off negotiations, the developers will get on with their projects.

“I’m happy we resolved everything amicably,” said Gary Barnett, Extell’s president, “and God willing we’re going to have two great projects here.”

Mr. Barnett said the dispute took far longer to resolve than he ever intended, as negotiations were lengthy with Vornado Chief Executive Steven Roth.

“He’s nothing if not patient,” Mr. Barnett said.

Vornado said architect Robert A.M. Stern will design its tower, which it said would rise 920 feet.

For its site, Extell plans to go higher than 1,400 feet."

[easy as pie]

wow, with all those w58th lots, it makes sense that 220 cps would go 'only' to 921 feet - it's a very very large footprint. makes me sad to see this many smaller buildings eaten up into a mega development, because it just means fewer businesses paying higher rents, more national or international chains, less architectural variety, but in this case, hopefully it works out. at the very least, barnett's cantilever on the eastern portion of his site shows us that stern will likely (wisely) set the tower on the western portion of the 58th st side of the site, a win-win for nyc with a supertall (well, 280m) on w58th and something not grotesquely out of proportion directly on the park.

[NYguy]

920 ft is a good height for that location, it doesn't need to be any taller. I'm sure Stern will give us something worthy of the location.

[DURKEY427]

Does anybody else feel that with all these supertalls poping up around central park, that in a few years the skyline could look unbalanced from places like queens and new jersey?

[NYguy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/ny...=nyregion&_r=0






Developers End Fight Blocking 2 More Luxury Towers in Midtown

By CHARLES V BAGLI
October 15, 2013

Mr. Barnett plans to erect a tower of at least 1,400 feet on 57th Street, just east of Broadway. Directly to the north, Mr. Roth, chairman of Vornado Realty, will proceed with a 65-story (roughly 900-feet-tall) residential tower. Under their accord, Mr. Roth shifted the site of his building slightly to the west, while Mr. Barnett edged his eastward, so that both skyscrapers could capitalize on what may be their most lucrative features: Central Park views.

“That’s the money shot,” Mr. Barnett said.

.....It is the lure of enormous profits in a fast-paced residential market that eventually led Mr. Barnett and Mr. Roth to end their bitter dispute.

In June 2005, Mr. Barnett bought the first of a number of parcels for a high-rise project between 57th and 58th Streets, near Broadway.

Two months later, Mr. Roth of Vornado bought a rental building at 220 Central Park South whose lot extended to 58th Street.

Fearing that the Vornado tower would block the views of his planned tower, Mr. Barnett sought a bargaining chip by quickly buying the lease from the garage operator at 220 Central Park South and a small parcel on 58th Street that sat in the middle of Mr. Roth’s planned development site.

Over the ensuing years, Mr. Roth bought out all of the tenants in the building’s rent-regulated units and fought unsuccessfully in court with Mr. Barnett, whose lease on the garage will eventually expire. Each had something the other wanted.

Several months ago, the two sides began negotiating a deal from which they could both profit. On Tuesday, Vornado said that it had paid $194 million for Mr. Barnett’s parcel on 58th Street and additional development rights that would allow it to build an even taller tower.

With the two developers shifting their towers in opposite directions, Mr. Barnett will go forward with his second ultraluxury building on 57th Street, at 225 West 57th. But he still has one more deal to complete.

Several years ago, he agreed to pay his 57th Street neighbor, the Art Students League, $23.5 million for its unused development rights. Mr. Barnett is now offering to pay the league another $25 million for the rights to cantilever his tower over its four-story building.

The cantilever would ensure that more of the apartments in Mr. Barnett’s building would have clear views of Central Park. If the league turns down his offer, Mr. Barnett said he would raise the height of the tower to 1,500 feet, from 1,400 feet.

Speaking of the deal announced on Tuesday, he said, “This clears the way for the development of two great buildings that will enhance the skyline and contribute greatly to the economy of New York City.”

[reencharles]

Excellent. 920 feet is very good for this site.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by DURKEY427

Does anybody else feel that with all these supertalls poping up around central park, that in a few years the skyline could look unbalanced from places like queens and new jersey?

From Jersey, well at least from Newark and driving on 78 and or route one, it will have a sort of downward slope. ESB currently dominates much of the midtown view and it will draw some attention from it, but until Hudson Yards and the immediate towers are built, the midtown skylines focus seems to be the esb. Midtown is too dense that I don't think it will be a big difference. Especially the thinness, it will look like smokestacks from far way. Just the other day I was driving down the Goethals Bridge as was amazed at what a presence the ESB has. 70 Years + later it still kicks ass. I can only imagine how awesome the newer towers which are bigger/thicker are finished (Hudson Yards). Now those will be behemoths. Also Manhattan West.