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Out of curiosity, does anyone know why the parkway abruptly ends at Carling, and was never linked up to the Queensway?
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Don't know the history, but it would seem a number of parkway projects were not implemented.

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Out of curiosity, does anyone know why the parkway abruptly ends at Carling, and was never linked up to the Queensway?
I have a vague memory of the Greber plan calling for it to link to a southern ring road that never got built.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone know why the parkway abruptly ends at Carling, and was never linked up to the Queensway?
The NCC ran out of money. All the land was expropriated around 1950 to link the parkway across the south part of the city and over to the Aviation Parkway. It was to follow through Baseline Station and then across just north of Colonade Business Park and just north of Greenboro Station and then across Alta Vista to the General Hospital and then east from there. Highway 417 is built on a little bit of the original parkway corridor. The Aviation Parkway was actually the only portion of this parkway that was ever built before the money ran out. A few portions of the parkway corridor have been sold off and built on. It was part of the Greber Plan but does not follow the original route as shown on the map. I believe that map was just a general concept.
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Thanks all for the replies. That 1950 Greber map is neat, wasn't aware a southern parkway/ring road was once planned around the city.
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Cutting Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway lanes would divert hundreds of cars: report

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 3, 2016 | Last Updated: July 3, 2016 7:09 PM EDT


Reducing the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway to two lanes west of Island Park Drive could divert as many as 550 vehicles an hour onto other roads, according to a preliminary analysis.

In a memo dated Feb. 1, 2016, engineering and management firm Morrison Hershfield provided the National Capital Commission with its interim findings on the traffic implications of reducing the parkway to two lanes from the current four between Island Park Drive and Carling Avenue.

The NCC revealed in March that it is considering the lane closures as part of its ambitious plan for a linear park along the Ottawa River between Booth Street and Carling Avenue. The plan, in the works since May 2014, is now close to completion.

According to the NCC, the two-lane option would prevent the speeding that is now endemic on the parkway, where traffic regularly zips along at 80 kilometres an hour, despite a posted limit of 60 km/h.

It would also provide more opportunities to fully segregate cyclists and pedestrians on separate paths, provide space on the parkway for commuter cycling and add more riverside open space.

The NCC has yet to make a decision on the issue and has said any reduction in lanes would only occur in the medium to long term, after many other elements of the linear park have been developed.

In a preliminary report, released to Postmedia under access to information, Morrison Hershfield looked at current traffic volumes on two adjoining sections of the parkway: a western segment, from Carling to Woodroffe, and an eastern segment, from Woodroffe to Island Park.

It found 1,270 “passenger car units” per hour now use the western segment and 1,790 cars per hour use the eastern segment during times of peak demand.

For the purposes of its analysis, Morrison Hershfield assumed the current capacity of the parkway per lane was between 1,100 and 1,400 passenger cars per hour. It then applied a generally accepted volume-to-capacity ratio to determine the extent of potential diversion if the parkway was reduced to two lanes.

Based on what it called its “limited assessment,” the report says between 280 and 550 vehicles per hour in the peak direction could be diverted on the parkway segment between Island Park and Woodroffe and as many as 40 vehicles per hour could be diverted on the Woodroffe to Carling section.

The report doesn’t say where those diverted cars would go, but Richmond Road and Carling Avenue are the likeliest alternative routes for commuters heading downtown.

One of the report’s assumptions was that the road network would offer diverted traffic “an equivalent level of service — not better or worse than that targeted on (the parkway).” It adds, however, that the appropriateness of that assumption still needed to be confirmed.

Morrison Hershfield also assumed there would be no shift in trip times and no increase in use of transit, though that is expected to happen once the city’s western LRT opens by 2023.

A report to the NCC’s executive management committee earlier this year, also released under access to information, identified “rethinking the long term configuration of the parkway (potential reduction to two lanes)” as one of the “key big ideas” of the linear park plan. Another big idea was summarized as “more park — less parkway.”

The executive management committee report discussed the risks of presenting the two-lane parkway option at a public consultation session that took place March 23.

Though there may be “discomfort” to present that option, the report says, “the public has expressed support for lane reduction in past consultations. Not showing this option presents a risk.” The NCC ultimately presented the two-lane option at the public consultation.

The report notes that the City of Ottawa had suggested that lane reductions would be feasible for a portion of the parkway. The results of a lane reduction “pre-feasibility” study then underway, it says, “will provide initial answers and flag issues.”

An appendix to the report says the study “will flag potential effects on vehicular capacities and levels of service and will recommend options for lane transition areas at intersections.”

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Cutting Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway lanes would divert hundreds of cars: report

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 3, 2016 | Last Updated: July 3, 2016 7:09 PM EDT


Reducing the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway to two lanes west of Island Park Drive could divert as many as 550 vehicles an hour onto other roads, according to a preliminary analysis.

In a memo dated Feb. 1, 2016, engineering and management firm Morrison Hershfield provided the National Capital Commission with its interim findings on the traffic implications of reducing the parkway to two lanes from the current four between Island Park Drive and Carling Avenue.

The NCC revealed in March that it is considering the lane closures as part of its ambitious plan for a linear park along the Ottawa River between Booth Street and Carling Avenue. The plan, in the works since May 2014, is now close to completion.

According to the NCC, the two-lane option would prevent the speeding that is now endemic on the parkway, where traffic regularly zips along at 80 kilometres an hour, despite a posted limit of 60 km/h.

It would also provide more opportunities to fully segregate cyclists and pedestrians on separate paths, provide space on the parkway for commuter cycling and add more riverside open space.

The NCC has yet to make a decision on the issue and has said any reduction in lanes would only occur in the medium to long term, after many other elements of the linear park have been developed.

In a preliminary report, released to Postmedia under access to information, Morrison Hershfield looked at current traffic volumes on two adjoining sections of the parkway: a western segment, from Carling to Woodroffe, and an eastern segment, from Woodroffe to Island Park.

It found 1,270 “passenger car units” per hour now use the western segment and 1,790 cars per hour use the eastern segment during times of peak demand.

For the purposes of its analysis, Morrison Hershfield assumed the current capacity of the parkway per lane was between 1,100 and 1,400 passenger cars per hour. It then applied a generally accepted volume-to-capacity ratio to determine the extent of potential diversion if the parkway was reduced to two lanes.

Based on what it called its “limited assessment,” the report says between 280 and 550 vehicles per hour in the peak direction could be diverted on the parkway segment between Island Park and Woodroffe and as many as 40 vehicles per hour could be diverted on the Woodroffe to Carling section.

The report doesn’t say where those diverted cars would go, but Richmond Road and Carling Avenue are the likeliest alternative routes for commuters heading downtown.

One of the report’s assumptions was that the road network would offer diverted traffic “an equivalent level of service — not better or worse than that targeted on (the parkway).” It adds, however, that the appropriateness of that assumption still needed to be confirmed.

Morrison Hershfield also assumed there would be no shift in trip times and no increase in use of transit, though that is expected to happen once the city’s western LRT opens by 2023.

A report to the NCC’s executive management committee earlier this year, also released under access to information, identified “rethinking the long term configuration of the parkway (potential reduction to two lanes)” as one of the “key big ideas” of the linear park plan. Another big idea was summarized as “more park — less parkway.”

The executive management committee report discussed the risks of presenting the two-lane parkway option at a public consultation session that took place March 23.

Though there may be “discomfort” to present that option, the report says, “the public has expressed support for lane reduction in past consultations. Not showing this option presents a risk.” The NCC ultimately presented the two-lane option at the public consultation.

The report notes that the City of Ottawa had suggested that lane reductions would be feasible for a portion of the parkway. The results of a lane reduction “pre-feasibility” study then underway, it says, “will provide initial answers and flag issues.”

An appendix to the report says the study “will flag potential effects on vehicular capacities and levels of service and will recommend options for lane transition areas at intersections.”

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I doubt the NCC would agree to it, but one way they could do it is by converting the eastbound lanes to a Transitway (until LRT is built) while the westbound lanes becoming a general traffic corridor. The only traffic conflict would be at Woodroffe, where cross traffic could be signalized.
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No mention of the LRT they're planning to build under the parkway. If it isn't expected to divert any cars then it is hard to see a reason for building it.
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This media report only brings up questions and thoughts:
  • Why is the assumed lane capacity so low (1,100-1,400 cars per lane per hour)? If everyone followed the ‘2-second’ rule, then a lane would carry 1,800 cars per hour, given no turbulence – and we all know that people don’t actually leave two seconds of space between their vehicle and the one ahead. There is a busy merge, east-bound, from Woodroffe, but, once the buses are gone, there will be only very minor disruptions to the flow between Carling and Island Park.
  • Is the study including the buses in its current traffic counts? If so, how will things change when the buses are gone? How many of the current drivers will change to public transit; after the 2018 LRT opening; after the 2023 LRT extension?
  • If the concern is speeding, then enforce the current speed limit – and make some money doing it.
  • What about simply narrowing sections of the roadway between any merges, diverges and turns? The act of merging into single file will have a traffic slowing effect, but the wider sections will allow for passing. Also, any pedestrian/cycling at-grade crossings could be across the narrowed segments to refuge islands in the median, allowing crossing of only one lane and only one direction of traffic at a time. This would be similar to what is proposed for the Queen Elizabeth Driveway at Dow's Great Swamp (also known recently as Dows Lake). I am not a fan of changing the Parkway to a 2-lane, bidirectional road that will be more difficult for pedestrians to cross.
  • Maybe the Woodroffe intersection could have the east-bound lane(s) of the Parkway below grade to avoid the conflict with the west-bound to Woodroffe ramp. Also remove the east-bound Parkway to Woodroffe ramp; which I expect is rarely used. These changes would not result in traffic calming along the north end of Woodroffe (in fact, it might be the opposite), but it might make the MUP crossing of Woodroffe safer due to better sight-lines and less ‘driver panic’ crossing the Parkway.
  • There needs to be a wider scope for this study to predict where the traffic will be diverted to and whether those roads (or transit) have sufficient capacity to handle the increase.
Obviously the media report is a condensed version of what the writer gleaned from the study, but I hope that the NCC will ensure that a fulsome study is done and not be satisfied with what the media has indicated is in the study’s preliminary report.
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So many problems with that report and the article itself wow. NCC paid for that?

Did it ever occur to them that drivers of some of those cars would divert to newly built trains? Isn't that the goal of city transportation strategy and building LRT in particular?
Lots of cars will divert to 417 rather than city streets like Carling, which are under capacity anyway.
How about redesigning Island park/SJAM intersection to optimize for new configuration?

Obviously all these useless consultants will do their best to preserve status quo to cover their asses. NIMBYs already picturing 550 cars per hour on their street 24/7. Good job, Citizen.
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Linear park boardwalk likely to carry hefty price tag, study indicates

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 4, 2016 | Last Updated: July 4, 2016 5:27 PM EDT




One appealing idea in the National Capital Commission’s draft plan for the Sir John A. Macdonald Waterfront Linear Park is a boardwalk that would extend over the Ottawa River east of Deschênes Rapids.

But if a feasibility study commissioned by the NCC is any indication, the cost of the boardwalk could be high — potentially tens of millions of dollars.

And while the study concludes that the boardwalk project is feasible, it also warns that ice loading will be a “challenging aspect” of the design process.

The study, done by W.F. Baird & Associates and released under access to information, provides no cost estimate for the boardwalk.

However, it offers “indicative costs” for three different structural configurations, ranging from as little as $3,000 per linear metre for a shore-tied rubble-fill revetment to as much as $25,000 per linear metre for a concept that includes artificial islands.

For the entire 2,200-metre boardwalk envisaged by Baird, those costs translate into a total price tag between $6.6 million and $55 million, depending on which structural configuration were selected.

In a high-level concept plan it developed for discussion and planning purposes, Baird used a mix of floating boardwalks, piled structures, and rubble-fill revetments and artificial islands. It’s hard to imagine that such a boardwalk would cost less than $20 million — and perhaps considerably more.



In an email, NCC spokesman Jean Wolff said the proposed boardwalk is one of several long-term ideas being examined for the riverfront park, which the NCC hopes will become “a hallmark front lawn” in the nation’s capital.

He said the Baird report “provides a very preliminary estimate of costs that will vary subject to more detailed work, including environmental regulatory approval and geotechnical issues that will play a role in future decisions and costing.”

The report recommends minimizing the amount of in-water construction to reduce costs, risk and environmental disturbances, adding: “This can be accomplished by keeping the alignment along (or near) the shoreline where possible.”

The three-to-four-metre-wide boardwalk would extend between the mouth of Pinecrest Creek to a point about 1.7 kilometres to the east. It would be a “low-speed contemplative recreational experience,” restricted to pedestrians or cyclists walking their bikes.

Under Baird’s concept plan, the boardwalk would include three small artificial islands and an elevated lookout that would provide a closer view of Deschênes Rapids and the surrounding shoreline. Farther east, it would make use of a rock beach at a lower grade than the existing pathway.

The Baird study says the design will likely be modified and refined significantly prior to construction.

“It is obvious that more study relating to the governing conditions is required, with environmental/regulatory restrictions and ice loading anticipated as being two critical elements in the planning and design of this project.”

Once a preferred alignment is chosen, the study recommends that specific ice loads should be estimated during the preliminary design phase.

“This will help determine whether the project is viable from a financial (and environmental) point of view in case the ice loading causes the design to become overly robust.”

The consultants add, however, that they believe it’s possible to design a structure capable of withstanding the ice loads at the site.

They also suggest a review of nearby established habitats should be done to develop guidelines to create new habitat “that will function and thrive in a similar manner.”

As well, there should be an assessment of how the proposed boardwalk could affect the nearby Mud Lake/Britannia Conservation Area, the study says.

The project provides an opportunity to improve both the site ecology and users’ recreational experience, it says, “mutually benefiting the public and the environment.”

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NCC wanted 'positive message' for parkway lane closure option

Don Butler, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: July 24, 2016 | Last Updated: July 24, 2016 11:02 PM EDT


Two weeks before the National Capital Commission unveiled a concept plan for a proposed linear park that could eliminate two of the four lanes on a western section of the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway, NCC officials huddled to try to come up with a positive spin to present to the public.

Emails released to Postmedia under access to information reveal that NCC chief executive Mark Kristmanson — evidently concerned about the public response to the two-lane option — urged senior officials to think of a “more positive message” during a meeting in early March.

To that point, material prepared for a March 23 public workshop on the planned Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway Linear Park had used the phrase “parkway lane reduction” to describe the option of eliminating two lanes from Carling Avenue to Island Park Drive.

NCC officials kicked around some rebranding ideas in a series of emails March 8 and March 9 with the subject line, “Parkway Lane Reduction — Positive Messaging.”

In a March 8 email, Arto Keklikian, the NCC’s principal transportation planner, initially suggested calling the lane reduction a parkway conversion, parkway redesignation or parkway revitalization.

Minutes later, he emailed a fourth suggestion to Sylvie Lalonde, the NCC’s principal regional planner. “Here’s another option — parkway reconfiguration,” he wrote.

Lalonde liked that idea, as did Lucie Bureau, the NCC’s chief of planning and transportation, who endorsed it in an email to Stephen Willis, then the NCC’s executive director of capital planning. “Do you agree?” she asked Willis. “If so, we will make the change on all panel and written material.”

Willis must have given a thumbs up, because at the March 23 workshop, “parkway reconfiguration” was the term presented to the public.

The nomenclature change shows that the NCC’s anticipated lane closure option would be controversial, especially among the thousands of motorists who use the parkway as a commuter route.

Traffic data emailed to Kristmanson by Willis last December shows that, in 2005, a total of 24,000 vehicles a day were using the parkway from Woodroffe to Island Park Drive as well as 16,000 a day on the segment from Woodroffe to Carling. Given population growth, those numbers have likely increased since then.

The NCC has hired an outside firm, Morrison Hershfield, to assess the impact the closure would have on parkway traffic. In a memo dated Feb. 1, the company reported its preliminary finding that the lane reduction could divert as many as 550 vehicles an hour onto other roads during peak hours.

To gauge public response to the lane options, the NCC also commissioned a survey of regular parkway users earlier this year.

NCC spokesman Nicholas Galletti declined to release the survey results, saying they will be made public this fall in a report summarizing all public feedback on the linear park.

But a draft of the survey questions, released under access to information, includes questions about whether the parkway should be converted from four lanes to two “in feasible sections and over appropriate time,” whether car access should be made easier to accommodate more commuters and whether more land should be dedicated for parkland “as opposed to traffic lanes.”

The idea of eliminating the lanes first emerged from participants in two public workshops on the linear park in 2014 and 2015. Because it came from public consultations, said Galletti, “We felt it was important for us to put forward that concept and test it with the public.”

But Galletti, who described the lane closure option as “still very conceptual,” stressed that the NCC is years away from endorsing the idea.

A decision won’t be made until after the Western LRT and a planned widening of Highway 417 are completed, Galletti said. That suggests the issue won’t be resolved until after 2023.

A transportation working paper, dated March 29, 2016 and written by Greg Kehoe, the NCC’s chief engineer, indicates the lane reduction is still a matter of internal debate.

While removing two lanes would add room for other activities, Kehoe writes, the current lanes are “well used” during morning and evening rush hours. “A reduction of the lanes would increase the commuting time on the parkway and vehicle traffic on other city roads.

“My observation is that we can accomplish our principle without reducing the number of lanes,” adds Kehoe, who recommends maintaining the current four-lane configuration.

One way or another, the NCC would like to slow down traffic on the parkway. According to Kehoe’s working paper, 85 per cent of the motorists on the section between Woodroffe and Westboro Station travel faster than 80 km/h, despite a posted speed limit of 60.

But to accomplish that, Galletti said, “there’s a lot of things that can be done without changing the lanes.”

Kehoe’s paper notes that the entire parkway, which was built in the 1960s, “is or will shortly require reconstruction, as it has reached its useful life.”

The NCC would like to reconstruct the 2.2-kilometre section from Woodroffe to Westboro, Kehoe’s paper says, including the realigned segment that will run on top of the future LRT.

Kehoe suggests that the segments between Woodroffe and Cleary station and between Dominion and Westboro stations should be reconstructed at the same time, adding: “The section from Cleary to Woodroffe would benefit by moving the parkway south and opening up the area of land.”

Despite the need to rebuild or realign those parts of the parkway, Galletti said there are no plans to reduce the number of lanes as part of that work.

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The only time I've been on the Parkway is on a Transitway bus, and even at rush hour, the parkway is very free-flowing over there.

Reducing to 2 lanes west of Island Park is a good idea and wouldn't have too adverse of an impact on traffic.
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Reducing to 2 lanes west of Island Park is a good idea and wouldn't have too adverse of an impact on traffic.
Not sure I follow this logic.... so a road isn't congested at rush hour, therefore lets eliminate lanes ???

The Queensway is relatively free flowing from Carling to Kent at morning rush hour... should we reduce it from 4 lanes to 3 ???
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Not sure I follow this logic.... so a road isn't congested at rush hour, therefore lets eliminate lanes ???

The Queensway is relatively free flowing from Carling to Kent at morning rush hour... should we reduce it from 4 lanes to 3 ???
Yes, we should convert one of the lanes to HOV lane and not just between Carling and Kent.

Queensway is a commuter highway.
SJAM is supposed to be scenic parkway where commuting by car is discouraged in favor of LRT that we are spending $Billions, and to to remove cars from the city core.
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Yes, we should convert one of the lanes to HOV lane and not just between Carling and Kent.

Queensway is a commuter highway.
SJAM is supposed to be scenic parkway where commuting by car is discouraged in favor of LRT that we are spending $Billions, and to to remove cars from the city core.
Sounds like a lot of social engineering to me, designed to decrease the quality of life for the majority.
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The only time I've been on the Parkway is on a Transitway bus, and even at rush hour, the parkway is very free-flowing over there.

Reducing to 2 lanes west of Island Park is a good idea and wouldn't have too adverse of an impact on traffic.
Well as long as you had an easy time of it..

It'll still be a parking lot in the evening rush with all the drivers returning to Hull/Aylmer. I guess by reducing it to a single eastbound lane up to Island Park, it'll discourage all those Ontario drivers from using it.
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Yes, we should convert one of the lanes to HOV lane and not just between Carling and Kent.
I'll vomit if this happens. How many people have changed their driving habits (i.e. drive with a neighbour) as a result of the HOV lanes which were recently put in? Probably in the single digits... if at all.

And further.... once the lane is in, Wynne will use it as a "revenue tool" to collect money from those willing to pay to drive it alone.... A taxpayer funded road that only the wealthy can use
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It'll still be a parking lot in the evening rush with all the drivers returning to Hull/Aylmer. I guess by reducing it to a single eastbound lane up to Island Park, it'll discourage all those Ontario drivers from using it.
Ya.. but the NCC is planning to keep the four lanes between Island Park and downtown... that's the only section that needs it.
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Not sure I follow this logic.... so a road isn't congested at rush hour, therefore lets eliminate lanes ???

The Queensway is relatively free flowing from Carling to Kent at morning rush hour... should we reduce it from 4 lanes to 3 ???
If a road has far more capacity than it requires, then yes, it makes sense to eliminate lanes, to reallocate the space to more efficient use.

The Parkway west of Island Park is a very underutilized road and it's not a particularly useful part of the road network.
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