Toronto overtakes Chicago and becomes NA's 4th largest city

[401_King]

http://wx.toronto.ca/inter/it/newsre...d?OpenDocument

[MonkeyRonin]

The more important thing to take from this is that the city is now accounting for about 40% of growth in the GTA, a huge difference from just a decade ago.

[10023]

Let the city vs metro area debate begin...

[dennis1]

This thread should be interesting.

[fflint]

Amalgamation

[caltrane74]

There will be blood... lol!

[LeeWilson]

Maybe the expected fate of this thread is so obvious that we can prevent it from happening. Who will dare post the first angry counterargument?

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by fflint

Amalgamation

city of Toronto is only 24 square km larger than the city of Chicago.

[MolsonExport]

Time for a peameal bacon sandwich. No more Rodney Dangerfield for Toronto. Let's celebrate. Here is how Toronto lets her hair down:
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[sofresh808]

At least Mexico City was acknowledged as being in North America for once.

[fflint]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

city of Toronto is only 24 square km larger than the city of Chicago.

It wouldn't be if Chicago had amalgamated with its surrounding suburbs in 1998.

[Innsertnamehere]

gotta agree, lets lock her up.

[dennis1]

Originally Posted by fflint

It wouldn't be if Chicago had amalgamated with its surrounding suburbs in 1998.

In fairness Oak Park wanted nothing to due with Chicago in 2002. It's not for a lack of trying.

[ChiSoxRox]

City limit measurements are disingenuous at best. The way I phrase it is city limit figures give you absurdities like Indianapolis nearly three times the size of St. Louis, or Atlanta a little over half the size of Charlotte.

2011 numbers:

New York - 22,214,083
Mexico City - 20,137,152 (2010)
Los Angeles - 18,081,569
Chicago - 9,729,825
Toronto-Hamilton - 8,759,312
Washington-Baltimore - 8,718,083

That's still a million back of Chicago, Toronto. (Washington is also growing faster, I believe.)

[Innsertnamehere]

using Toronto's CSA instead of CMA puts us at around 8.5 million, or between boston and washington.

as for amalgamation, does it really matter what the history of the municipality is? both Toronto and Chicago are around 600 square km, and both do not represent the entire metro region. truthfully this number is rather pointless, as Chicago still has about 1.5 million people more on both the CSA and CMA fronts.

[M II A II R II K]

This is just looking for trouble. Same old crap about how much geographical area you assimilate and how much of it is actually urban.

There were those heated Phoenix vs. Philadelphia battles over this issue which extended into population loss verses population gain which is a cause for forumers to brag and lead to even more rubbing it in to the other side.

[Ch.G, Ch.G]

As a Chicagoan, I welcome our new Torontonian overlords.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Dralcoffin

City limit measurements are disingenuous at best. The way I phrase it is city limit figures give you absurdities like Indianapolis nearly three times the size of St. Louis, or Atlanta a little over half the size of Charlotte.

2011 numbers:

New York - 22,214,083
Mexico City - 20,137,152 (2010)
Los Angeles - 18,081,569
Chicago - 9,729,825
Washington-Baltimore - 8,718,083
Boston - 7,601,061
San Francisco-San Jose - 7,563,460
Dallas-Fort Worth - 6,887,383
Philadelphia - 6,562,287
Houston - 6,191,434
Atlanta - 5,712,148
Toronto - 5,583,064

That's 12th place for you, Toronto. (Even going by MSAs, you only lose San Francisco and Atlanta, so Toronto is at 10th.)

Comparing American CSAs (which aren't measurements of metropolitan areas - something that apparently can't be restated enough) to a Canadian CMA is even more disingenuous than using municipal populations as a proxy for a city's size.


A list of actual urban populations of North America metropolitan areas in 2012:

New York - 20,464,000
Mexico City - 19,463,000
Los Angeles - 14,900,000
Chicago - 9,121,000
Toronto - 6,139,000
Dallas - 5,874,000
San Francisco - 5,864,000
Miami - 5,582,000
Philadelphia - 5,474,000
Houston - 5,383,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_population



(now I'll go hang my head in shame for getting involved in this stupid argument)

[dennis1]

I like both cities, it's a draw to me. But Toronto is catching up. I wonder if Toronto can catch LA soon?

[Innsertnamehere]

we would have to add 900,000 people without los angeles growing at all to do that, but assuming that los angeles doesn't gain any population (unlikely) we should pass them in 23 years at current growth rates. so in other words, we may eventually pass them, but it will not be any time soon.