LOS ANGELES | LAX Modernization Plan - Page 34

N830MH · #**661** Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 1:45 AM**

Are you talking about terminal 0? Haven't they getting approval yet?

Quixote · #**662** Posted **Mar 30, 2015, 5:38 AM**

The final passenger traffic figures for 2014 show that LAX is now the second busiest airport in the United States and the fifth busiest in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...senger_traffic

bzcat · #**663** Posted **Apr 1, 2015, 1:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by caligrad

There was an update on SSC a while back showing the full airport master plan. Massive amounts of parking is being added at the opposite end of the people mover and next to the expo line...... does this mean... and I'm wishing here.... that the parking in the center is being taken out ? because the parking being added is a lot.

I know I'm responding to a two months old post but yes, the long term plan is to replace nearly all the parking in the central terminal area (CTA) with a new consolidated check-in facility that can be fully integrated with the APM stations.

But in LAWA's thinking, they need to first build redundant parking outside CTA before they can tear down the CTA parking.

The CTA check-in facility will be like TBIT now with lots of airlines sharing the same hall. You check in at the counter and then proceed to the TSA screening and gates via walkways to T4 for example. And this will allow American Airlines (again, just an example) to eliminate the ticketing and check-in area in T4 and add more amenities or retail space. So imagine T3 and T4 (again, just examples) as the north and south wings of the CTA check-in facility, and T2 and T5 as the other wings.

Quixote · #**664** Posted **May 5, 2015, 8:27 PM**

Qatar Airways is launching nonstop service between LAX and Doha starting January 1, 2016.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/04/qr-16q1/

202_Cyclist · #**665** Posted **May 5, 2015, 8:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Quixote

Qatar Airways is launching nonstop service between LAX and Doha starting January 1, 2016.

http://airlineroute.net/2015/05/04/qr-16q1/

There has been quite a bit of controversy with the Gulf carriers recently, with the US airlines lobbying heavily against them.

Qatar Airways ramps up U.S. presence, adds 3 new routes
http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...utes/26861961/

262 House lawmakers side with airlines in Open Skies dispute
http://thehill.com/policy/transporta...-skies-dispute

Quixote · #**666** Posted **May 9, 2015, 8:37 AM**

The new Central Utility Plant. It came out pretty nice.

http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ing%202015.pdf

jg6544 · #**667** Posted **May 10, 2015, 8:38 PM**

Any chance they'll ever improve any of the ratty domestic terminals or install some kind of "people mover" among the terminals?

caligrad · #**668** Posted **May 11, 2015, 4:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by bzcat

I know I'm responding to a two months old post but yes, the long term plan is to replace nearly all the parking in the central terminal area (CTA) with a new consolidated check-in facility that can be fully integrated with the APM stations.

But in LAWA's thinking, they need to first build redundant parking outside CTA before they can tear down the CTA parking.

The CTA check-in facility will be like TBIT now with lots of airlines sharing the same hall. You check in at the counter and then proceed to the TSA screening and gates via walkways to T4 for example. And this will allow American Airlines (again, just an example) to eliminate the ticketing and check-in area in T4 and add more amenities or retail space. So imagine T3 and T4 (again, just examples) as the north and south wings of the CTA check-in facility, and T2 and T5 as the other wings.

Sounds like a dream. Should have happened years ago. Great to hear. Hopefully Traffic into and out of the airport eases up a bit now. Great news. ive always hated the central parking at LAX. it Creates a canyon affect for out of towners.

Quixote · #**669** Posted **May 11, 2015, 8:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by jg6544

Any chance they'll ever improve any of the ratty domestic terminals or install some kind of "people mover" among the terminals?

This is a rhetorical question… right?

jg6544 · #**670** Posted **May 11, 2015, 4:41 PM**

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Originally Posted by Quixote

This is a rhetorical question… right?

Far from it.

Bikemike · #**671** Posted **May 11, 2015, 7:49 PM**

^Just read bzcat's comment. It answer's both your questions.

jg6544 · #**672** Posted **May 12, 2015, 5:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bikemike

^Just read bzcat's comment. It answer's both your questions.

I did and (1) it sounds like a real hassle and (2) I still don't see anything about being able to get around the individual terminals without walking miles.

I've said this before. Tear down LAX and start all over again. It's o.k if you're flying international, but otherwise, it's a mess and a disgrace and can't be fixed.

bzcat · #**673** Posted **May 12, 2015, 9:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by jg6544

I did and (1) it sounds like a real hassle and (2) I still don't see anything about being able to get around the individual terminals without walking miles.

I've said this before. Tear down LAX and start all over again. It's o.k if you're flying international, but otherwise, it's a mess and a disgrace and can't be fixed.

LAX is a big airport. You are going to walk miles between terminals regardless of how it is laid out.

And it is not a mess. LAX is one of the top O&D airport in the world by passenger volume. Very few people transit here for obvious geographic reasons so the airport laid out makes sense for the most amount of people using it. The only "mess" is the double deck road outside the terminals... it is an outdated concept (2 levels for cars without mode separation

) that doubles traffic volume for no reason - and the APM will go a long way towards fixing that problem.

Quixote · #**674** Posted **May 12, 2015, 10:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by jg6544

I did and (1) it sounds like a real hassle and (2) I still don't see anything about being able to get around the individual terminals without walking miles.

I've said this before. Tear down LAX and start all over again. It's o.k if you're flying international, but otherwise, it's a mess and a disgrace and can't be fixed.

For what you lose in having to walk "miles" you gain in not having to sit/stand on the train for what can feel like an eternity as it stops at 7-8 different terminals, not unlike the current LAX FlyAway. Imagine how annoying it'd be for a passenger coming out of Terminal 1 needing to transfer over to Terminal 7 or, worse, needing to travel outside the CTA to the CONRAC. This is why the "spine" alignment is much more conducive to the airport's oblong horseshoe configuration.

Bikemike · #**675** Posted **May 13, 2015, 2:42 AM**

One thing I do wish was a strictly airside APM so that transfers could be kept completely airside with no need to go through security again. That way passengers wouldn't be required to walk around the entire horseshoe. Even a pedestrian conveyer belt thingy (I don't know what those are called) won't help over such great distances.

Quixote · #**676** Posted **May 13, 2015, 3:06 AM**

^ True, but as bzcat pointed out, LAX is more of an O&D (origin and destination) airport rather than one that faciliates transfers such as ATL and ORD. Obviously the goal when designing any form of transportation infrastructure is to optimize efficiency, but one could argue that an APM circulating the entire CTA would be inherently less efficient in terms of cost and travel time.

If a passenger needs to get from Terminal 6 to Terminal 7, chances are they would just walk anyway regardless of whether or not each terminal had their own station. This is not as easy at an airport such as JFK where the terminals are spaced much farther apart than at clustered and compact LAX. Now, if a passenger needs to get from Terminal 8 to TBIT, imagine having to make four stops (Terminals 1, 2, 3, and 4) before arriving at their terminal.

Yes, there will be some walking required; 5-7 minutes of it won't kill you.

Bikemike · #**677** Posted **May 13, 2015, 3:23 AM**

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Originally Posted by Quixote

^ True, but as bzcat pointed out, LAX is more of an O&D (origin and destination) airport rather than one that faciliates transfers such as ATL and ORD. Obviously the goal when designing any form of transportation infrastructure is to optimize efficiency, but one could argue that an APM circulating the entire CTA would be inherently less efficient in terms of cost and travel time.

If a passenger needs to get from Terminal 6 to Terminal 7, chances are they would just walk anyway regardless of whether or not each terminal had their own station. This is not as easy at an airport such as JFK where the terminals are spaced much farther apart than at clustered and compact LAX. Now, if a passenger needs to get from Terminal 8 to TBIT, imagine having to make four stops (Terminals 1, 2, 3, and 4) before arriving at their terminal.

Yes, there will be some walking required; 5-7 minutes of it won't kill you.

Being the biggest O&D airport doesn't mean transfers aren't important though. Any airport this size and this important has a LOT of business going to both. Connecting flights are still a very important business for LAX and the lack of efficient airside connections continues to hurt LAX in this regard.

It would take a lot longer than 5 minutes to stay airside from one side to the other side of the horseshoe. Not all transfers are neighboring, mind you.

The other thing is making all those stops on an APM is still way more pleasant than having no alternative to walking the entire length with all carry-ons. The horseshoe is just a bad design. Even with airside connectivity for pedestrians, it's a very long walk. There should be some kind of airside shortcut tying both opposing sides of the horseshoe, either underground or via some bridge. Even some segregated connector through the eventual CTA check-in facility would go miles to improving the experience. I'm surprised such an easy and relatively cost-effective solution like that wasn't on the table.

I hope they add it on later as it makes way too much sense.

Quixote · #**678** Posted **May 13, 2015, 8:11 AM**

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Originally Posted by Bikemike

Being the biggest O&D airport doesn't mean transfers aren't important though. Any airport this size and this important has a LOT of business going to both. Connecting flights are still a very important business for LAX and the lack of efficient airside connections continues to hurt LAX in this regard.

It would take a lot longer than 5 minutes to stay airside from one side to the other side of the horseshoe. Not all transfers are neighboring, mind you.

The other thing is making all those stops on an APM is still way more pleasant than having no alternative to walking the entire length with all carry-ons. The horseshoe is just a bad design. Even with airside connectivity for pedestrians, it's a very long walk. There should be some kind of airside shortcut tying both opposing sides of the horseshoe, either underground or via some bridge. Even some segregated connector through the eventual CTA check-in facility would go miles to improving the experience. I'm surprised such an easy and relatively cost-effective solution like that wasn't on the table.

I hope they add it on later as it makes way too much sense.

I actually forgot that I was responding to you and not jg6544.

For the purposes of this discussion, let's have a visual reference:

http://www.connectinglax.com/solution.html

If I'm understanding what you're advocating for, it appears that your wish will come true. To get from one side of the horseshoe to the other would require walking approximately 1,000 feet. Since it takes roughly 10 minutes to walk a half-mile, you're looking at about a 5-minute walk across those pedestrian bridges. However, getting to/from Terminals 7, 8, and (potentially) 0 look to be an additional 3-5 minutes.

But like I said, if you need to get from Terminal 7 to 6 to make a transfer, walking is the fastest option -- even if both terminals had their own APM stops.

I agree with what bzcat said… LAX is a big airport; some walking will be required.

Quixote · #**679** Posted **May 13, 2015, 9:34 AM**

And for jg6544, I took the time to compile renderings of all the forthcoming renovations to the non-TBIT terminals. Lucky you.

Renovations to Terminals 7, 8 are imminent; nothing announced yet for Terminals 3, 4.

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Terminal 1

http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...2020150127.pdf

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...in/dateposted/

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Terminal 2

http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...0FactSheet.pdf

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...n/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...in/dateposted/

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Terminal 5

http://www.corgan.com/projects/lax-t...pment-program/

http://www.corgan.com/projects/lax-t...pment-program/

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Terminal 6

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/907606...n/photostream/