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Old Posted Jan 20, 2015, 4:52 PM
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Good article on increased SunRail ridership numbers over the last month due to the introduction of late night service:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0120-post.html
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is there a website for sunrail new airport station??
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http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/b....html?page=all
big news about new orlando airport station & maglev
to the convention center(connects to sun-rail)
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Old Posted May 1, 2015, 10:35 AM
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SunRail turns 1 year old! May 1st. 2015

http://www.wesh.com/news/sunrail-cel...thday/32670400

Happy Birthday to Florida's 2nd. Commuter Rail Line!

Further expansion is coming along with a potential link to OIA and All Aboard Florida trains!

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SunRail finishes first year $27.2 million in the red

SunRail finishes first year $27.2 million in the red.
By Dan Tracy
Orlando Sentinel
May 10,2015

The SunRail commuter train finished its first year of operation $27.2 million in the red, bringing in $7.2 million while spending $34.4 million.

The shortfall was covered by taxpayers through the state Department of Transportation, which oversees the system running from DeBary in Volusia County through downtown Orlando to south Orange County.

He predicted SunRail's losses would fall in coming years because the train would carry more passengers and advertising income would increase.

"We should be able to grow that [revenue] over time," he said.
But chances are slim of SunRail breaking even, much less making money. Virtually all mass transit systems are subsidized.

A 2014 survey by the U.S. DOT found that the so-called fare box recovery rate — revenue from fares — across the country ranges from about 27 percent for bus systems to 48.5 percent for commuter-rail operations.

In South Florida, the Tri-Rail commuter train, which has been running since 1987, covered just more than 21 percent of its $75.3 million budget with fares. Lynx, which runs buses in Orange, Seminole and Osceola counties, brought in 30 percent of its $126.4 million budget with fares.

SunRail completed its inaugural year May 1, carrying just short of 900,000 fare-paying customers. The daily ridership average was almost 3,700, about 600 short of the 4,300 passenger goal.

Those riders paid $2 million, or an average of about $2.22 per one-way fare. SunRail's base fare is $2, plus $1 for crossing from one county to another. The top charge is $4.

Fares actually account for about 5 percent of SunRail's revenue, but another $5.2 million came in from advertising and rent from the CSX railroad company and Amtrak for using tracks owned by SunRail.

Noranne Downs, the FDOT manager over SunRail, said she intends to speak with other more-established mass transit agencies about ways to increase revenue. She also said SunRail could bring in another $1 million annually if the state Legislature allows it to lease land in the corridor to fiber communication companies.
"Obviously," she said, "we want to increase the total income."

Dyer said the six-year overhaul of Interstate 4 that should take hold during the summer should push disgruntled motorists to SunRail, increasing ridership and income.

In 2017, the train is slated to expand into Osceola County, which has a projected ridership of 2,000 people — more than half of what SunRail carries now.

Expenses will rise to serve Osceola, which will add four stops and 17 miles to the system, but SunRail officials could not give a cost estimate.

SunRail also is supposed to go north to DeLand, which would add another 220 riders. But SunRail officials are struggling to find federal money to help pay for that leg.

U.S. Rep. John Mica, R-Winter Park, thinks SunRail could reap additional fares if Lynx was more cooperative.

"Lynx has ignored bringing high-volume, long-distance carriers like Greyhound into the downtown terminal and forced Megabus out of downtown. Those two carriers bring more than 1 million people into Central Florida and would provide substantial revenue to SunRail," said Mica, who has helped get federal grants for SunRail.

Lynx CEO John Lewis said Megabus and Greyhound — which has its own terminal west of downtown — serve people going from city to city, not within the confines of Orlando.
"That has absolutely nothing to do with SunRail," Lewis said of Megabus and Greyhound.
About 500 Lynx riders, Lewis said, get on SunRail trains each day.

Mass transit supporter John Olivieri said SunRail's performance is fairly common in the industry and pointed out that the mode of transportation most often used in this country — roads — do not pay for themselves, either.

Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...510-story.html

*On a side note SunRail doesn't run on weekends.*
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Old Posted May 12, 2015, 4:45 PM
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Lynx CEO John Lewis said Megabus and Greyhound — which has its own terminal west of downtown — serve people going from city to city, not within the confines of Orlando.
"That has absolutely nothing to do with SunRail," Lewis said of Megabus and Greyhound.
Pretty disturbing to see a transit CEO this aloof of multi-modal transport.
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And how in the hell does the 11 mile, 1 station line to DeLand continue to be a priority? Talk about a waste of money!

DeLand needs to undergo dramatic redevelopment near the proposed station location, before it would be even remotely worth considering extending the line that far.
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Old Posted May 12, 2015, 11:21 PM
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Pretty disturbing to see a transit CEO this aloof of multi-modal transport.
Lynx is a pretty pathetic bus system for a metro the size of Orlando except for the immediate downtown area. Their bus stops in most places consists of a sign post and you might get lucky with a un covered bus bench none of which shield you from the weather.

As for the Deland station the projected daily ridership is rumored to be an extra 200 passengers a day so I don't see it being a priority. The focus now is expansion into Osceola county to the south.

As for SunRail being in the "red" in it's first year of operation it had start up costs that won't recur. Also it wouldn't have been so steep if it ran on weekends and had extended hours on weeknights.
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is there a website for sunrail new airport station??
about this new sunrail/maglev/All Aboard florida station
anybody know what the airport is building at Canal Rd & Wiley Dr
its new roads and buildings, is it part of airport expansion???
near the water treatment plant south of airport......
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Looks like they're relocating drainage canals?
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Looks like they're relocating drainage canals?
no not that, the small white roof buildings with parking lots
and new road in front with a bridge over a canal.
just south of the two west runways.

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Old Posted May 15, 2015, 8:01 PM
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I'm sure that OIA has a webpage where they publish all of the bids being worked on around the property.
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http://www.orlandoairports.net/meeti...esentation.pdf
found it, page 39 new office trailers. no info about new roads??
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What is the possibility of extending Sunrail all the way to Tampa Bay?
This route is already served by Amtrak's long distance trains, and they can do the run in 2 hrs 3 mins. This is exactly the same amount of time my own commuter rail system takes to get from Provo to Ogden (UTA FrontRunner), and it is ever shorter than trips from Stockton to San Jose on ACE or Sacramento to San Jose on the Capitol Corridor trains. The total length of this corridor is about 85 miles, which lends it self to a more frequent and local service than Amtrak's long distance trains currently provide.
Assuming that All Aboard Florida really is serious about eventually expanding to Tampa, a commuter service stopping at the same Tampa station could be just as lucrative to All Aboard Florida as the MiamiCentral station already is. Imagine a large Transit Oriented Development around the Tampa train station, and suddenly ridership for a potential Tampa Bay commuter rail system jumps.
Given the probable opposition to starting a new commuter line out of Tampa, it seems that an easier solution might be to extend the existing Sunrail line along the Amtrak (CSX) line, making more local stops until reaching Tampa. As far as I know, Sunrail is mostly state-supported, making this sort of regional expansion much easier to sell to the public.

But so far I haven't found anyone even suggesting this, anywhere on the internet. Am I missing something huge? because from my line of thinking, this seems like a pretty good goal for Sunrail in the long-term.
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What is the possibility of extending Sunrail all the way to Tampa Bay?

Assuming that All Aboard Florida really is serious about eventually expanding to Tampa, a commuter service stopping at the same Tampa station could be just as lucrative to All Aboard Florida as the MiamiCentral station already is. Imagine a large Transit Oriented Development around the Tampa train station, and suddenly ridership for a potential Tampa Bay commuter rail system jumps.
Given the probable opposition to starting a new commuter line out of Tampa, it seems that an easier solution might be to extend the existing Sunrail line along the Amtrak (CSX) line, making more local stops until reaching Tampa. As far as I know, Sunrail is mostly state-supported, making this sort of regional expansion much easier to sell to the public.

But so far I haven't found anyone even suggesting this, anywhere on the internet. Am I missing something huge? because from my line of thinking, this seems like a pretty good goal for Sunrail in the long-term.
You're thinking SunRail and TriRail are organized the same as UTA. You're wrong!
Just look at how the various transit agencies boards are made up, and you'll see why they look at things differently.

UTA Board of Trustees are appointed by:
Governor
President of the Senate
Speaker of the House of Representatives
Utah Transportation Commission
Municipalities within Salt Lake County and the municipalities of Grantsville and Tooele in Tooele County (5)
Salt Lake City
Unincorporated Salt Lake County
Municipalities within Utah County (2)
Municipalities within Davis County
Municipalities within Weber County and Brigham City, Perry and Willard in Box Elder County.
Municipalities and unincorporated areas within the district which are located within a county that is not annexed into the UTA district.

TriRail Board are appointed by:
Governor (3)
FDOT Secretary District IV
Palm Beach County
Miami-Dade County
(Not sure why Broward County is not represented on this Board today)

SunRail Board appointed by:
City of Orlando
Seminole County
Osceola County
Orange County
Volusia County

Note: SunRail doesn't have an appointee from Tampa, St. Petersburg, Polk County, Hillsborough County, or Pinellas County. That's why SunRail isn't planning to go there. Volusia County has a member on the Board, and that's why future plans include further expansion into Volusia County.

Obviously, Hillsborough and Pinellas Counties don't wish to help fund transit in Orange County, and they probably have their own independent transit agencies. Don't forget that if you want to get things done by government, you must first start locally. SunRail will never go to Tampa as long as Tampa and Hillsborough County remain aloof.
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Thanks for your very detailed answer! Ah, politics. What a shame. From the technical and service standpoints I think it could stand a good chance of being successful. Perhaps a two-operator-system approach like a Metrolink/Coaster setup between LA and San Diego would be in order? And while I'm dreaming, Disney would expand their monorail...
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Thanks for your very detailed answer! Ah, politics. What a shame. From the technical and service standpoints I think it could stand a good chance of being successful. Perhaps a two-operator-system approach like a Metrolink/Coaster setup between LA and San Diego would be in order? And while I'm dreaming, Disney would expand their monorail...
Disney would expand if they could be in charge and control the price of their monorail hence why they were so against a train from Tampa to Orlando.
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What is the possibility of extending Sunrail all the way to Tampa Bay?
This route is already served by Amtrak's long distance trains, and they can do the run in 2 hrs 3 mins. This is exactly the same amount of time my own commuter rail system takes to get from Provo to Ogden (UTA FrontRunner), and it is ever shorter than trips from Stockton to San Jose on ACE or Sacramento to San Jose on the Capitol Corridor trains. The total length of this corridor is about 85 miles, which lends it self to a more frequent and local service than Amtrak's long distance trains currently provide.
Assuming that All Aboard Florida really is serious about eventually expanding to Tampa, a commuter service stopping at the same Tampa station could be just as lucrative to All Aboard Florida as the MiamiCentral station already is. Imagine a large Transit Oriented Development around the Tampa train station, and suddenly ridership for a potential Tampa Bay commuter rail system jumps.
Given the probable opposition to starting a new commuter line out of Tampa, it seems that an easier solution might be to extend the existing Sunrail line along the Amtrak (CSX) line, making more local stops until reaching Tampa. As far as I know, Sunrail is mostly state-supported, making this sort of regional expansion much easier to sell to the public.

But so far I haven't found anyone even suggesting this, anywhere on the internet. Am I missing something huge? because from my line of thinking, this seems like a pretty good goal for Sunrail in the long-term.
Oh come on now. We talk about this at the Tampa Bay forum on Skyscrapercity.

And it's on the local radar too. I went to an FDOT meeting last night in Tampa, and it came up there, that FDOT is back to trying to find a way to use part of CSX's tracks in the Tampa Bay area.
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