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First the hotel we got married in (Park Lane) is going to (eventually) be knocked down for a new apartment tower and now the State Office building that we got our marriage license ...is going to be knocked down to build a clink. What next? Tear down Yankee Stadium?

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First the hotel we got married in (Park Lane) is going to (eventually) be knocked down for a new apartment tower and now the State Office building that we got our marriage license ...is going to be knocked down to build a clink. What next? Tear down Yankee Stadium?
But in the case of Park Lane, it offers one of the best locations for a super tower. Can't get much better than the location where its at. The land is prime as hell. Unless they designate the hotel as a landmark in the years to come, it will eventually see the wrecking ball. Such is the fate of non-landmarked structures.
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https://tribecacitizen.com/2018/12/1...ry-jail-tower/

In the News: Residents Concerned About 50-Story Jail Tower

December 18, 2018


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Although the administration of Mayor Bill de Blasio has backed away from its controversial proposal to build a new, 40-story jail on top of a historic government office building at 80 Centre Street, it still aims to bring more prison capacity to Lower Manhattan.

The revised iteration of this plan is to expand the Manhattan Detention Complex, located at 125 White Street. City Hall officials have said that preliminary plans for expanding the MDC facility include demolishing the existing buildings (which are 15 stories tall) and replacing them with a 50-floor jail that would contain more than triple the space for prisoners within the current facility. This possibility has raised grave reservations among local activists.”



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Lower Manhattan Activists Aim to Bury the Tombs Plan
Grassroots Organizations Gird for Next Round in Battle Against Proposed New Jail





The Manhattan Detention Complex (colloquially known as "the Tombs") located at White and Centre Streets, may become the site for a new jail, more than 50 stories tall, with triple the interior space of the current facility.



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Although the administration of Mayor Bill de Blasio has backed away from its controversial proposal to build a new, 40-story jail on top of a historic government office building at 80 Centre Street, it still aims to bring more prison capacity to Lower Manhattan. The revised iteration of this plan is to expand the Manhattan Detention Complex (MDC), located at 125 White Street.

This will be the subject of meeting this morning between Mr. de Blasio and local leaders in the American Legion Post located at 191 Canal Street, between Mott and Mulberry Streets. City Hall officials have said that preliminary plans for the expanding the MDC facility include demolishing the existing buildings (which are 15 stories tall) and replacing them with a 50-floor jail that would contain more than triple the space for prisoners within the current facility. This possibility has raised grave reservations among local activists, including many of those who helped derail the original plan for 80 Centre Street.
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The grassroots organization Neighbors United Below Canal (NUBC) was part of the coalition of groups that successfully pushed for the Mayor's original plan to be abandoned. Nancy Kong, one of NUBC's founders, said of the new proposal, "we are troubled to learn that 125 White Street is the City's choice for the new 50-story Manhattan jail, a site selection that, once again, remarkably excluded the community from the process."

She continued, "our fundamental ask from the beginning was for the Mayor to adhere to the processes and laws designed for community input, especially for a project of this size, scale and cost. We are guided by legal experts that will ensure that the ULURP process is not altered and that the community's right to participate is not usurped or diminished."




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The MDC is sometimes referred as "the Tombs," a reference to a Dickensian facility that once occupied the same site, and was notorious for both corruption and squalid conditions. It housed prisoners who ran afoul of the law in Manhattan from the 1830s, until the early 1970s, when a U.S. District Court judge ordered it shut for numerous violations of federal law. The structure took its name from its original design, which resembled an Egyptian sarcophagus.

After the federal courts intervened, the City closed down the Tombs for almost a decade, shifting its prisoner population to Rikers Island. After a nine-year renovation, the facility reopened at the same location -- at White and Centre Streets -- with a dramatically smaller capacity (the old structure had held up to 2,000 prisoners, but the refurbished Tombs was designed for only 900), and a scaled-back mission: the new "Manhattan Detention Complex" was meant primarily as a holding facility for detainees scheduled for appearances in the several court buildings located nearby.
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The de Blasio administration now appears poised to expand both the prisoner population held there, and the mission of the facility -- transforming it into a penal complex for detainees serving long sentences.

Just as surely, however, the community that mobilized to defeat the Mayor's original plan appears to be preparing for a second round in the same battle.




https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-e...-downtown-jail

Mayor meets with critics to push plan for downtown jail
High-rise detention center in Chinatown is key aspect of plan to close Rikers


DANIEL GEIGER
December 18, 2018


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Mayor Bill de Blasio met with opponents of a city plan to build a 500-foot tall jail in Lower Manhattan on Tuesday to try to sell them on a key component of his promise to close Rikers Island in the next decade.

The plan involves tearing down the Manhattan Detention Complex at 125 White St. in Chinatown and replacing it with a significantly larger facility.

Neighborhood groups have complained about the proposed tower as well as a previous plan to build the facility on Centre Street.
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The jail tower would have the capacity to house up to 1,500 prisoners, 600 more than the current facility, a City Hall spokesman said. Enlarging detention centers around the city has been a key step in de Blasio's plan to shutter Rikers, which can hold up to around 11,000 inmates. The population of those detained in the city's justice system has shrunken to about 8,200 the spokesman said, down from 11,000 just a few years ago and over 20,000 in the early 1990s as crime has decreased in the city.

De Blasio has aimed to further reduce the population of prisoners in the coming years to 5,000. Without Rikers however, it will need to enlarge its other detention facilities to accommodate even that thinner population.

The city has not released how much the jail tower at 125 White St. could cost nor detailed designs of the facility. The current building at the site is known as The Tombs and features a concrete facade that gives the roughly 100-foot tall property a fortress-like appearance.
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https://www.politico.com/states/new-...-review-804670

Rikers closure plan will soon begin public review


By JANAKI CHADHA and SALLY GOLDENBERG
01/22/2019


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Mayor Bill de Blasio’s plan to close Rikers Island has been beset by neighborhood opposition to replacement jails, skepticism among criminal justice reform advocates and local political dissonance — all of which overshadowed the city’s public rollout last fall.

...The city is now preparing to begin a public review by March for the four new jails — a process that will invite more scrutiny around one of de Blasio’s largest undertakings. It would also provide him with a victory on a matter of national interest — shuttering a notoriously violent jail — if the City Council approves the new sites, though the initiative would not be complete during his mayoralty.
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Under the city’s plan, a 815-bed jail on Atlantic Avenue would be replaced with a 1.4-million-square-foot site, standing at 430 feet and with room for roughly 1,510 beds.

Levin, who represents the area and is in his final Council term, said he supports the change because the current building in downtown Brooklyn is outdated. The cells are too small and the design obstructs a clear view of prisoners, leading to overstaffing, he said.

Since the public hearing in September, when he was jeered during his public remarks, Levin has met with the No New Jails coalition and said he attends monthly Friday discussions with criminal justice reform groups and residents worried about the size of the new jail.

De Blasio needs the support of Levin and three other Council members whose districts would house the replacement jails — Diana Ayala of the Bronx, Margaret Chin of Manhattan and Karen Koslowitz of Queens — in order to go forward with this plan. The Council would vote about seven months after the public land use process begins.
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The proposed Bronx site, currently an NYPD tow pound, has the support of local Council Member Diana Ayala, who said it "will keep families intact. Kids can visit their mothers and fathers" without traveling to Rikers Island.

But other Bronx politicians, including Borough President Ruben Diaz and Council Member Rafael Salamanca, are opposed.
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While the original Lippman report called for one jail in each of the five boroughs, de Blasio decided to spare Staten Island a location after the borough president, Jimmy Oddo, swiftly made his displeasure known.

The Legal Aid Society, which had a seat on Mark-Viverito’s commission to study closing Rikers, was troubled by the mayor’s decision to give Staten Island a pass, a spokesperson said.
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At least we get one story today of NIMBYs getting what they deserve.



https://tribecacitizen.com/2019/02/1...00-foot-tower/

Jail will “demap” a piece of White Street for 500-foot tower





February 14, 2019


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A crew of city employees from across three agencies came to CB1 this week to defend the mayor’s plan for a 500-foot jail tower on White Street, and in my mind, left a few key questions unanswered.

The city has changed its mind on the location twice, but now seems set on demolishing the Tombs at 125 White as well as 124 White in order to build one giant detention center to hold 1,500 prisoners. The construction would also erase that easternmost piece of White Street when the building is constructed right over it. Here’s my attempt at a summary of a huge and complex issue for the city and the area...
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The city plans to have 1,500 beds in Manhattan, which it calculates requires 1.4 million square feet of floor space. By demolishing both the Tombs (125 White) and 124 White they can construct a larger building over the site of both by demapping the little stretch of White Street between the two buildings.
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It makes my head hurt to think what the demolition and construction of this project might cost – and the toll it will take on anyone in the area. To give an example, the Citibank project on Greenwich came with a $2 billion price tag. Presenters said White Street would remain open to pedestrian traffic as part of the design, but the design process has not started. City streets are demapped (for example, the Bogardus Triangle development that took over the first block of Hudson Street) but for a jail? Then there’s construction and the impact on a dense, lively residential and commercial neighborhood: a rough sketch of the timeline shows construction could last for four years.

The city wants to start the formal land use process for site selection on March 25. The community board will then have 60 days to comment. Among others, two primary questions remain: Why are the White Street buildings not being repurposed? And if the goal is to create smaller units, why does there have to be one much larger building? What is the plan for Rikers after the prison leaves? What is the price tag on the new construction? The folks from the Office of Criminal Justice will return to CB1’s land use committee meeting again next month.

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Maximum height is 500 ft. More on that here...

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https://ny.curbed.com/2019/2/19/1823...-rikers-island

City mulls ways to shrink Rikers-replacing Manhattan jail
The city aims to shrink the blueprint of the 495-foot jail proposed for Lower Manhattan





By Caroline Spivack
Feb 19, 2019


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The city is working to shrink expansion plans for a high-rise jail in Lower Manhattan and three other proposed facilities across the boroughs after a chorus of concerns that the towering jails are out of scale with the communities they reside in, according to a top official with the Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice.
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In another stunning reversal, the de Blasio administration switched gears again in November and nixed its controversial plans for a Centre Street jail in favor of enlarging the Manhattan Detention Complex to a staggering 520 feet. The city has since reduced the height of the proposed complex to 495 feet, but says it is actively looking to condense the borough-based facilities that are intended as “conduits of culture change” for the city’s criminal justice system, according to the mayor’s office.

“The key question that we are really focused on right now is how can we reduce the size and scale of these facilities while not losing the fundamental commitment to making sure the actual programming of these are better for people in detention,” Dana Kaplan, the deputy director of the Mayor’s Office of Criminal Justice, said at a recent Community Board 1 Land Use Committee meeting.
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As a more equitable alternative to Rikers Island, each facility will feature educational programming, therapeutic services, and an emphasis on resources to help detainees transition back into society.

But those services could be reduced with the city’s efforts to slim the facilities, or alternatively, the city may shrink the number of beds at each jail while working to further slash the number of detainees in the system, according to Kaplan. Each jail accounts for what is known as swing space to ensure the sites can handle a spike it population—that is currently set for 20 percent at each jail but the city is looking into shrinking that additional space closer to 10 percent. That would cut 300 additional beds to some 150 per a facility and could translate to a roughly 600 bed reduction across the city.
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The expanded Manhattan Detention Complex is designed with detainee housing on the upper levels. Typically, the Department of Correction places 50 beds per unit but the new design aims to slash that figure dramatically, though a number of beds per unit has yet to be finalized, according to Matthew Snethen with Perkins Eastman Architects, who is consulting with the city on the facility’s design.

Inmate services, visiting, and some 20,000 square feet of yet to be determined community space will occupy the base of the structure, said Snethen.

The city plans to issue a draft environmental impact statement—an analysis of potential neighborhood impacts from the proposed jails—on March 25. Come April, the extensive Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP) will kick off with community board hearings before progressing to the borough presidents’ offices, the City Planning Commission, and finally to the New York City Council for a vote.
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Some quotes from a long article on the process to close and open these jails...



https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...o-close-rikers

Inside the Battle to Close Rikers
Can New York City build its way out of mass incarceration?



By MAURICE CHAMMAH
3.22.2019


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...The commission enlisted the Van Alen Institute, an architecture think tank, to develop innovative approaches to jail design, partly by soliciting input from people who have been incarcerated. Even before conceiving of actual structures, the commission noted, the most important step would be finding the right locations. About 10 percent of the inmates at Rikers are transported off of the island to court appearances each day. The trips take hours to complete and cost $31 million a year. The remote location also makes it difficult for families, lawyers, teachers and other service providers to visit and help those inside.
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Kaplan was tasked with finding potential sites near city courthouses. Given the density of development in New York and the high cost of real estate, one major restriction narrowed the search: To start building the new jails quickly, sites would have to be on land owned by the city. Manhattan and Brooklyn already had operating jails, which could be torn down to make way for new construction, and there is a dormant facility in Queens that could similarly be demolished. (Most recently, it was used to film the Netflix series “Orange Is the New Black.”) Kaplan said that the mayor decided not to try to build a jail in Staten Island because the facility would be too small to justify the cost; some critics of the de Blasio plan have suspected that the decision was made because the borough, which is generally more politically conservative than the rest of the city, would be the most vehemently opposed to housing a jail.
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In the Bronx, however, the only city-run jail is an aging 800-bed barge anchored in the East River. Kaplan considered a parking lot behind the Bronx criminal courts as a potential site, but Vanessa Gibson, the local City Council member, opposed the idea, saying that the jail would be too close to several schools and would burden the area with traffic. The mayor’s office ultimately chose to take over a nearby Police Department tow pound. The area’s City Council member, Diana Ayala, agreed to the location, but, when the site was announced, many residents were outraged. “The Bronx generally has been stigmatized by its criminal past, and at the gateway to the Bronx you’re going to have this big tower that presides supreme over this whole neighborhood,” Arline Parks, the chief executive of the Diego Beekman apartment complex, which sits a few blocks from the tow pound, told me.
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In Manhattan and Brooklyn, the proposed height of the jails—which, according to the plan, would be roughly 40 stories—has also been controversial. “The idea of [people] going up and down elevators all the time, it’s going to fail, chronically,” Robert Cohen, a former health director at Rikers, said. Even Lippman, who headed the commission, has been critical, telling an audience at New York Law School, “The jails are out of scale.”

Nancy Kong, the president of a residential co-op building near a jail site in Manhattan’s Chinatown, frequently shows up at Kaplan’s public appearances. Kong supports closing Rikers, but she believes that Chinatown has been unfairly saddled with courts and jails. “No other neighborhood bears this burden,” she told me. “They are proposing a 50-story building next to tenements and commercial buildings that are five to 15 stories.”

When I asked Kaplan about building more jails with smaller capacities, she noted that such a plan would be more expensive, less efficient, and politically problematic. Protesters are already objecting to the current plan. “Right now, we hear, ‘You guys are building four jails,’” she said. Imagine the blowback, she added, in a scenario where “New York City is building eight jails!”
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The proposed buildings are so tall, in part, because they have become a repository for every good idea about how jails can address the underlying causes of incarceration, including space for everything from job training and classrooms to counseling and substance-abuse treatment. During the past two years, Kaplan and other city officials have been convening expert panels and focus groups of incarcerated people and their families. They visited Sing Sing and Bedford Hills, two New York state prisons that are known for having large and comfortable visiting spaces, where kids can play games and do arts and crafts with an incarcerated parent.

“I could see these buildings we’re doing for New York City someday becoming community colleges with dormitories inside them,” Frank Greene, one of the architects working on the plan, said. He is a proponent of “direct supervision,” an approach to jail design that encourages corrections officers to walk around among those they oversee. “What came before were glass bubbles, so inmates created their own hierarchies.”
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In November, Greene and Kaplan were part of a group of city officials who flew to Denver to tour the Van Cise-Simonet Detention Center, a jail that Greene’s firm helped design, a decade ago, with the aim of housing inmates in a more humane and safe environment. From her hotel, Kaplan could see the jail, which stands about 95 feet tall, with a handsome limestone façade, and was surrounded by planters full of flowers. The jail, which houses 1,500 inmates, has often been held up as a model in planning conversations in New York, but after visiting, Kaplan felt that the facility also provided a lesson in what not to do. The classrooms were small, and there was little outdoor space. The architects were constrained, in part, by zoning laws, which prohibit structures from blocking the view of the Rocky Mountains from the Colorado state capitol.
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On a recent morning, I watched Kaplan address a room of 30 criminal-justice experts and advocates, laying out the policy puzzle facing the city. Each proposal to reduce the height of the jails entailed changes—such as moving certain cells away from direct sunlight, or housing more inmates in each area—that seemed likely to cut against the goal of making the facilities more humane and rehabilitative. One leading idea was to house all of the city’s female inmates at a single site, as opposed to building separate sections in each new facility, which would reduce the number of beds needed in three of the four jails. This would also allow the city to provide more specialized services for the women, but there are trade-offs; for instance, their lawyers and families might have to travel farther to see them.

Another suggestion concerned the number of extra beds in each facility. The city was expecting to build enough space for a population of 6,000, leaving a thousand extra beds to give corrections officers flexibility in determining housing assignments. Carmen Pineiro, a community organizer with the Bronx Defenders, suggested slashing that number. “I think that sounds awesome,” she said. Except, Vincent Schiraldi, the city’s former head of probation, said, “when a whole bunch of these guys are trying to get at a whole bunch of those guys and everybody is on lockdown.” Dan Gallagher, an architect, summed up the problem. “What happens on the inside is what makes it bigger on the outside,” he said.
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On Friday, the mayor’s office announced that it plans to centralize the women at the jail in Queens, and to build for a citywide jail population of 5,750, rather than 6,000. Both decisions allow for a slight reduction in the height of the proposed facilities. De Blasio’s office also plans to look for ways to house some people with mental illnesses outside of jails entirely, though it has not offered additional details. The next step is a land-use review, a process that includes public hearings with community boards, borough presidents, the City Planning Commission and City Council.

Opponents to the new jails, from all four boroughs, have been organizing their responses. “We all e-mail each other and talk so the mayor’s people can’t divide and conquer,” Dominick Pistone, a civic-association president in Queens, told me. Their demands largely boil down to wanting the mayor to slow the process and give greater consideration to residents’ concerns. Justin Pollock, the president of a condo association near the Brooklyn site, said, at one public hearing, “The cake is in the oven, and the city is here to only ask you what color you would like the frosting.”

https://dw9zmd5y2p1va.cloudfront.net...s-queens-2.mp4
PROPOSED JAIL SITE: 126-02 82nd Ave., Queens
PROPOSED HEIGHT: 270 ft.


https://dw9zmd5y2p1va.cloudfront.net/rikers-bronx-2.mp4
PROPOSED JAIL SITE: 745 East 141st St., The Bronx
PROPOSED HEIGHT: 245 ft.


https://dw9zmd5y2p1va.cloudfront.net...anhattan-2.mp4
PROPOSED JAIL SITE: 124 and 125 White St., Manhattan
PROPOSED HEIGHT: 450 ft.


https://dw9zmd5y2p1va.cloudfront.net...brooklyn-2.mp4
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Four New Yorkers have emerged as leaders among residents who oppose aspects of the mayor's plan. From left, Justin Pollock, board president of a condominium in Brooklyn; Nancy Kong, president of a residential co-op building in Manhattan’s Chinatown; Dominick Pistone, a civic association president in Queens; Arline Parks, chief executive of the Diego Beekman Apartments in the Bronx.

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LOL "Jail Tower" If the city went with an Egyptian Revival style structure (like the old 1838 building) I would get behind this.
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Just listened to the end of the presentation at City Planning online, and the crowd was not happy that the project has been certified as complete, meaning the ULURP process moves forward.

They did mention that they have been trying to reduce the heights of the jails a little.
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Seniors Living Next to Proposed Jail Tower at Risk, Say Plan Opponents




Left: Nancy Kong and Jan Lee, leading opponents of the jail, show the proposed jail tower in relation to the Chung Pak senior residence, the Charles B. Wang health clinic and a daycare center, to Community Board 1's Land Use, Zoning and Economic Development Committee. Right: A Chung Pak resident leaves the building


By CARL GLASSMAN
Posted Mar. 27, 2019


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“You can see the detention center right here. We are touching each other.”

From a top floor terrace of Chung Pak, the 88-unit low-income senior housing building at 96 Baxter St., executive director Charles Lai was pointing to the Manhattan Detention Complex next door at 125 White St. There, he said, lay his fears for the future of his residents.

If the city has its way, the jail next door and the one connected to it at 124 White Street will be torn down. In their place a mammoth 450-foot jail tower will rise, part of the de Blasio administration’s plan to close Rikers Island and build jails in all the boroughs except Staten Island. The expected eight months of demolition and years of construction has Lai and other Chinatown opponents of the plan saying that the health of the elderly residents are at stake.




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“We are just inches from 125 White,” said Lai, 62, who became the director of the residence three months ago. “Just common sense says that, no matter what you do, there’s going to be noise, there’s dust and particulate matter.”

For residents unable to get outside, Lai said, the garden rooftop, with its recently installed flower boxes and planned programming, is a chance to breathe fresh air. And for those who walk to local senior centers, he added, “how are they going to get around that high level of activity? It’s not just on an isolated corner. We are talking about anyone being able to get to where they need to go.”

The city has just released its more than 4,000-page Draft Environmental Impact Statement on the four-borough jail projects, setting in motion what will be a uniquely complex six-month public review. (The approval process is known as the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure, or U.L.U.R.P.). City Councilwoman Margaret Chin, who must ultimately sign off on the Manhattan tower, said in a statement that she is withholding judgement until she has heard from the public at the upcoming hearings, “most importantly the residents and small businesses most directly impacted by this project.”
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Asked to comment on the concerns around potential impacts to the seniors, Patrick Gallahue, spokesman for the Mayor’s Office for Criminal Justice, said in a statement, “We continue to look at how construction can have a minimal impact on the lives of Chung Pak residents. We have also heard from the community and Council Member and recognize their concerns.”

With chants of “Save our seniors!” and “Stop this process!” those concerns were amplified on Monday as opponents rallied in front of City Hall to denounce the plan. “It’s absurd to think the city can mitigate 10 years of construction,” said Jan Lee, a leading opponent of the jail proposal. “It is unfair and unjust to put these people through this kind of ordeal.”
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Asked to comment on the concerns around potential impacts to the seniors, Patrick Gallahue, spokesman for the Mayor’s Office for Criminal Justice, said in a statement, “We continue to look at how construction can have a minimal impact on the lives of Chung Pak residents. We have also heard from the community and Council Member and recognize their concerns.”

With chants of “Save our seniors!” and “Stop this process!” those concerns were amplified on Monday as opponents rallied in front of City Hall to denounce the plan. “It’s absurd to think the city can mitigate 10 years of construction,” said Jan Lee, a leading opponent of the jail proposal. “It is unfair and unjust to put these people through this kind of ordeal.”
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The plan is being fought in all four boroughs. Many opponents argue that a modern facility could be built on Rikers Island far less costly than the minimum $11 billion projected for the four new buildings, and they say it could be made accessible with ferries and other added transportation. They also question whether the current jail population of about 8,000 can be further brought down—and kept down—to the projected goal of 5,000 citywide.

“We reject the spurious claim that criminal justice reform requires changing the physical location of detention centers at Rikers,” said Patricia Tsai of the Lin Sing Association, calling the proposed towering jails “flights of fancy by idealists, architects, and interior designers, a gift to the real estate industry.”
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The public review process for the jail plan begins next month with Community Board 1 and continues before the Manhattan Borough President, City Planning Commission and City Council. CB1’s Land Use, Zoning and Economic Development Committee is expected to review the plan on April 8 and vote on a resolution on May 13 before it goes to the full board later in the month.


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Lower Manhattan CB Committee Says No To City Jail Plan
The full board will vote on the resolution later this month.






By Sydney Pereira
May 16, 2019


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The Lower Manhattan community board's land use committee unanimously voted this week against the city's plans to replace the Manhattan Detention Complex with a larger jail, with various conditions for the city to get the board's OK.

The Community Board 1 committee's vote is against plans for a 450-foot jail to replace the Manhattan Detention Complex at 125 White St. The replacement jail is a part of larger strategy to close jail facilities on Rikers Island and relocate inmates to neighborhood-based lock-ups, as well as drastically reduce the jail population from 7,600 to 4,000 by 2026.

"A major concern is that the building is just too big," said Patrick Kennell, a Financial District neighbor who chairs the CB 1 land use committee. Though the committee's resolution supports the goal of closing Rikers Island, he added, "Everything is much in flux. We're having a hard time understanding what it is we [had] even been asked to agree to."
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Lower Manhattan could someday be home to a 45-story jail, although the possibility has already drawn the ire of community groups.

The jail would rise at 125 White Street as part of the city’s 10-year plan to close Rikers Island

The address is currently home to the Manhattan Detention Complex, also known as “the Tombs,” and the new facility planned for the site would span 1.27 million square feet and contain 1,440 beds.



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At the public hearing before Manhattan Borough President Gale Brewer, right, Jonathan Hollander calls the plan for a jail tower next to Chinatown "ridiculous."
Christopher Marte holds a model of the neighborhood that illustrates the relative scale of the proposed building.


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This time it was the Manhattan Borough President’s turn.

Following Community Board 1’s advisory rejection last month of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s proposal to build a 450-foot-high jail on the border between Chinatown and Tribeca, Gale Brewer was up next to host a public hearing—and later weigh in—on the controversial plan. Her recommendations are due on July 3.

The June 11 forum at Pace University was the second installment of the city-mandated six-month review of proposed changes in zoning and land use required to allow the project to go forward. (The proposed zoning amendment would permit a building that is 30 percent—or 466,000 square feet—bigger than current zoning permits.) At the end of the review process, the fate of the proposal lies with the City Council.
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While the plan to close Rikers Island, among other criminal justice reforms, is widely seen as a laudable, even urgent, goal, the administration’s proposal to replace it with jail towers in each of the boroughs except Staten Island has been rejected by all four affected community boards, plus Manhattan’s Community Board 3, which represents most of Chinatown.

The four borough-based jail towers, which the city says could open in 2026, are meant to give detainees closer access to the courts, their families and attorneys, and provide expanded services and safer, more humane conditions. Brewer, who first formed a task force on closing Rikers Island two years ago, said she believes the plan will help to keep people out of the criminal justice system, but noted her concerns about what the jail will do to the surrounding neighborhood.
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“Tearing down the building[s] on White Street and constructing a building that’s tall will have negative impacts on community residents,” she told the gathering, in a room largely divided between criminal justice activists on one side and proposal opponents on the other. “I’m very concerned about the small businesses and the people, but definitely the small businesses.”

“We want to do it right in Manhattan,” Brewer added. “I don’t know about those other boroughs, but I’m damn sure we’re going to do it right in Manhattan.”

But just as Community Board 1 called the proposed building “grossly out of scale” and listed a whopping 16 conditions for their approval, opponents could find little to like about the massive demolition of the current jails at 124 and 125 White Street, and a tower three times bulkier and far taller that would replace them.
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“I fail to understand how building a mega-jail is the solution to the incarceration problem that Rikers represents,” said Bill Bialosky, an architect and 30-year resident of Walker Street. “They just don’t equate each other.” Bialosky called for a whole different approach that would include incorporating a nearby sanitation building in the plan and renovating the two existing jail buildings.

“These are really intelligent people” behind the proposal, said an incredulous Jonathan Hollander, the founder and artistic director of Battery Dance, who lives and works nearby on Broadway. “How could such a ridiculous plan emerge from all this intelligence?” Hollander said he is especially worried about the impact to Columbus Park, “the only place where senior citizens can do tai chi in the morning, where children can play games in the afternoon. The place is mobbed…and it’s in the shadow of this building.”

“Why is this Soviet monument to incarceration the only solution to closing Rikers?” said another opponent of the plan.
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Brewer listened attentively to the speakers and took notes, but would say little following the meeting when asked for her reaction to what she had heard. She called the issue “complicated.”

“We need to push the city,” she said. “So we’ll see what happens.”

In a statement, a spokesman for the Mayor's Office of Criminal Justice said: “While we remain focused on the goal to close the jails on Rikers Island and of reforming the criminal justice system, we are also working to address the concerns of the Chinatown community regarding impacts on neighbors and surrounding businesses during construction.”

The proposal will be reviewed next by the City Planning Commission.


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City slashes size of proposed jails ahead of council vote


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October 14, 2019


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The city will reduce the height and bulk of the four jail towers it is proposing to build to replace Rikers Island, a move aimed at helping assure that the nearly $9 billion project will pass through a key vote in the City Council later this week.

The negotiations to reduce the size of the jails come after City Hall released the results of a study on incarceration and crime rates that predicts the jail population will be no larger than 3,300 inmates by 2026, 700 fewer than previous estimates. There are currently over 7,000 inmates held in the city's prison system.
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The substantial height and size of the proposed jails, along with the lack of details the city has provided about their design, has elicited criticism of the plan. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said the jail project should be scrapped and several council members have said they will vote against it when it comes to a vote on Thursday.

“There had been concerns about the size of the buildings and you have heard communities not wanting to have skyscrapers in their neighborhoods,” Councilman Keith Powers, chair of the council’s Criminal Justice Committee, said. "Having less beds means you can make the proposed jails smaller.”

Powers said he hadn’t yet been briefed on the exact extent the jail buildings will be cut down and that those reductions may still be a point of negotiations between council members and the city. Powers has been a supporter of the jail plan.
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Bronx Councilman Rafael Salamanca, chair of the Council’s Land Use Committee, said he understood the proposed Bronx jail building will be reduced in size from about 25 stories to 18. The building, to be located in Mott Haven, was originally planned as a 245 foot tall structure, but could now be under 200 feet in height.

“When you look at the pushback from the four council members in whose districts the jails will be located, a lot of the issues have been around the height,” Salamanca said.

An opponent of the plan, Salamanca said he will nonetheless vote against it, despite the reductions in size.
He believes the the Bronx jail building should be located closer to that borough’s courthouse. The city, he said, has also not provided clarity when it will close a jail barge off the shore of Hunts Point.

“It’s basically an annex of Rikers," Salamanca said. "If you’re serious about shutting Rikers, why can’t you shut the barge down right now?”

Local Councilwoman Diana Ayala, however, does support the Bronx jail property, which will be built on an NYPD tow pound.
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Besides the property in the Bronx, the city is planning to raise a 450 foot tall jail tower in Lower Manhattan, a 270 foot tall structure in Queens and a 395 foot tall building in Brooklyn. Those three buildings will replace existing detention facilities. They will likely all now be reduced in height and size, although the scope of those reductions was not yet clear.

“We’re definitely going to see a reduction in size, we just don’t know what the numbers will be right now,” a source in Councilwoman Margaret Chin’s office said.


Chin’s district is where the Manhattan jail tower will be located and she has generally supported the jail plan. Besides the size of the jail, Chin is negotiating for other concessions, including a construction mitigation and small business protection plan. She previously had secured approval from the city for a permanent statue in Columbus Park of the early 20-century Chinese leader Dr. Sun Yat-sen - what some observers suggested was offered by the city as a precursor for her support.

Despite the concerns and controversy surrounding the plan, the City Council is expected to approve the project on Thursday by a wide margin—ratifying the most significant criminal justice reform in the city in decades.
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