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Old Posted Nov 9, 2020, 11:45 PM
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It will take longer than just one year to proceed through the NEPA (EIS) process that this graph suggests. Just limiting it to the latest privately financed high speed rail project within Texas, the NEPA process took 5 years.
A timeline per Texas Central web site;
PROJECT TIMELINE
2026: Commercial service fully operational
2025: Testing and commissioning period begins
2021: Construction Starts
2020: Federal approvals (EIS and RPA)
September 2019: FRA begins rulemaking for safety regulations (RPA)
December 2017: DEIS is released by FRA, final route and station locations selected
June 2014: Project EIS process begins

It took them at least 3 years to process and publish the draft environmental impact study, and another 2 years to publish the final environmental study and reach the record of decision.
A total of at least 5 years for the studies - not just one year.
Texas Central is a really horrible comparison. On one side we have a unique system and operating model (California HSR is the closest, but TC is private) that has never before been accomplished on America. A green field development over hundreds of miles, requiring eminent domain of hundreds(?) landowners.

On the other side, we have standard light rail, which has been successful 20-30 times in the US. Almost entirely within existing city owned RoW.

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I do not like it when proponents and technical advisors for projects promising results no one has ever delivered, even in the most recent past. Over promising is lying, there is just no other way to look at it.
You failing to understand what is happening does not mean that they are lying.

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But Austin has already been doing environmental studies on these corridors in the recent past. Suppose they use the facts gathered already from the previous studies, eliminating the need to repeat the facts gathering process. They would still have write a draft study, allow six months to a year for public comments, write a final study and wait another six months for public review and comments before reaching a final record of decision. About two years at least, still more than one year in this graph.

Not only "in the recent past". Right now.

CapMetro signed a contract for PE and NEPA with AECOM over a year and a half ago, with local money.

https://www.austinmonitor.com/storie...ring-contract/

They rolled the dice and planned for the case of the vote being successful.

They started NEPA for the Orange and Blue over a year and a half ago.

https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...idor-in-austin

Now, did they do that first step and then sit on their hands for the next 18 months, who knows? But I'm guessing not.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 1:04 AM
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What expansions should we expect for the Red Line because of Prop A? I knew what they were but then they downgraded prop A so what are they now?
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 2:42 PM
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What expansions should we expect for the Red Line because of Prop A? I knew what they were but then they downgraded prop A so what are they now?
This article said $25 mil for the Red Line in the smaller package. https://www.austinmonitor.com/storie...onnect-vision/

That sounds like enough for McKalla station and Broadmoor/Uptown station and probably that's about it. Parts of those stations are also funded privately. I guess there will also be costs associated with decommissioning Kramer station. I think the trimmed expenses were related with additional double tracking.

I'm interested to see how service hours and frequency change now that the downtown station is finished. (Assuming we eventually stop the raging pandemic)
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 3:17 PM
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This article said $25 mil for the Red Line in the smaller package. https://www.austinmonitor.com/storie...onnect-vision/

That sounds like enough for McKalla station and Broadmoor/Uptown station and probably that's about it. Parts of those stations are also funded privately. I guess there will also be costs associated with decommissioning Kramer station. I think the trimmed expenses were related with additional double tracking.

I'm interested to see how service hours and frequency change now that the downtown station is finished. (Assuming we eventually stop the raging pandemic)

They also wanted to build a new heavy maintenance center to replace the one on Burnet but that was cut. I think they are at capacity at Burnet for the number of trains. The big thing I was looking forward to was the lengthening of the stations to allow double trains to run. Bummer.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 4:33 PM
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They also wanted to build a new heavy maintenance center to replace the one on Burnet but that was cut. I think they are at capacity at Burnet for the number of trains. The big thing I was looking forward to was the lengthening of the stations to allow double trains to run. Bummer.
That's right, I forgot about the station lengthening part. Hopefully the new stations are already designed with that in mind - pretty sure Downtown station can handle linked trains. McKalla with double capacity on match days would be nice. Red Line will eventually need higher capacity, though to be fair the double length would only be useful at a handful of stations. Crestview and the Park and Rides would need it most. Probably Plaza Saltillo?
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 4:42 PM
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That's right, I forgot about the station lengthening part. Hopefully the new stations are already designed with that in mind - pretty sure Downtown station can handle linked trains. McKalla with double capacity on match days would be nice. Red Line will eventually need higher capacity, though to be fair the double length would only be useful at a handful of stations. Crestview and the Park and Rides would need it most. Probably Plaza Saltillo?
Downtown can handle 2 linked trains and 1 non-linked train. I'm positive the 2 new redline stations will be the right length. Plaza Saltillo needs lengthening and double tracking. The thing is that all the stations need to be lengthened before you can run double trains. The eventual plan for highland is to move it to the south a bit so that would be a brand new station whenever they find the money for it.
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The Boring Company Hiring in Austin

https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...in-austin.html

"There were eight Austin jobs posted on The Boring Co.'s website by press time, including five engineering positions and openings for an accountant and lead technical recruiter. There was also a listing for a business development lead, which will be tasked with creating 'new revenue-generating tunnel projects for The Boring Company by persuading key stakeholders that a TBC tunnel meets their needs,' according to the job posting.

Voters recently approved a major transportation plan — Project Connect — which will add at least two rail lines in the city, plus an underground stop downtown. Capital Metro spokeswoman Mariette Hummel said she didn't know of any plans for Musk's company to be involved in the city's new transit system.

'At this time, I'm not aware of any conversations that have happened,'​ Hummel said. 'But, we’re always looking to work with public or private partners to help with the future of mobility in the city.'"
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 5:29 PM
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https://www.bizjournals.com/austin/n...in-austin.html

"There were eight Austin jobs posted on The Boring Co.'s website by press time, including five engineering positions and openings for an accountant and lead technical recruiter. There was also a listing for a business development lead, which will be tasked with creating 'new revenue-generating tunnel projects for The Boring Company by persuading key stakeholders that a TBC tunnel meets their needs,' according to the job posting.

Voters recently approved a major transportation plan — Project Connect — which will add at least two rail lines in the city, plus an underground stop downtown. Capital Metro spokeswoman Mariette Hummel said she didn't know of any plans for Musk's company to be involved in the city's new transit system.

'At this time, I'm not aware of any conversations that have happened,'​ Hummel said. 'But, we’re always looking to work with public or private partners to help with the future of mobility in the city.'"
Keep the boring company the fuck away from our tax dollars. Project Connect is a mass transit project. The boring tunnels are not mass transit.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 6:58 PM
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How does anyone at TXDoT take themselves seriously while proposing designs like this? We need to be shrinking I-35, not coming up with absurd ways to add more lanes with the existing ROW.
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The tunnels are pretty cool for the narrower ROW south of the river. I wonder what they'll do with the new bridges over the river. I also like the triple-stack section where the existing double decks are, but we knew that design was already coming.

Where did you find these schematics?
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 8:07 PM
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The tunnels are pretty cool for the narrower ROW south of the river. I wonder what they'll do with the new bridges over the river. I also like the triple-stack section where the existing double decks are, but we knew that design was already coming.

Where did you find these schematics?
I think it'll look like the new bridge in Waco. Txdot is giving these out to reporters that interview them. They'll be out to the public when the open house starts on Thursday.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 8:38 PM
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How does anyone at TXDoT take themselves seriously while proposing designs like this? We need to be shrinking I-35, not coming up with absurd ways to add more lanes with the existing ROW.
I agree, but when you're beholden to NIMBYs, Y'all Queda and the rest of the mix, you end with shit like the Katy Freeway.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 8:56 PM
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Keep the boring company the fuck away from our tax dollars. Project Connect is a mass transit project. The boring tunnels are not mass transit.
It's interesting to see the order of your posting above with the one immediately following.

I, for one, have never thought that TBC has any interest in building train tunnels unless they were a tunneling sub for the eventual heavy civil contractor for the LRT lines.

If I'm TxDOT, I would at least entertain entering into some sort of PPP to enable TBC to build those tunnels, i.e. similar to the concession agreement on the southern portion of SH 130.

That seems to set up a downtown travel "product" range of options that are good (expanded general purpose lanes over the coming decade), better (new LRT w/ downtown tunnels as recently passed with Prop A), and best (new express, single-vehicle lanes for autonomous EVs only, i.e. Tesla or compatible, as implied by TBC's push into Austin).
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 9:23 PM
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What cities have a light rail system similar to what we are trying to do here? I just want to see what ours will look like in the future.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 9:25 PM
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What cities have a light rail system similar to what we are trying to do here? I just want to see what ours will look like in the future.
Seattle.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 10:03 PM
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It's interesting to see the order of your posting above with the one immediately following.

I, for one, have never thought that TBC has any interest in building train tunnels unless they were a tunneling sub for the eventual heavy civil contractor for the LRT lines.

If I'm TxDOT, I would at least entertain entering into some sort of PPP to enable TBC to build those tunnels, i.e. similar to the concession agreement on the southern portion of SH 130.

That seems to set up a downtown travel "product" range of options that are good (expanded general purpose lanes over the coming decade), better (new LRT w/ downtown tunnels as recently passed with Prop A), and best (new express, single-vehicle lanes for autonomous EVs only, i.e. Tesla or compatible, as implied by TBC's push into Austin).
I agree with this. TBC is much more likely to be interested in the highway tunneling than with the downtown subway.

Though . . . isn't TBC arriving here waaaay prematurely for either project? We've got years of planning and prep work before bids go out, right?

Why would they open an office here now?
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2020, 10:33 PM
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I agree with this. TBC is much more likely to be interested in the highway tunneling than with the downtown subway.

Though . . . isn't TBC arriving here waaaay prematurely for either project? We've got years of planning and prep work before bids go out, right?

Why would they open an office here now?
I could envision the Tesla Tera factory complex being connected with tunnels since the site is so massive and on both sides of 130. Similar to what they are doing with the Las Vegas CC. Also if Tesla moves their HQ here and settles in DT they could connect the HQ and factory complex by tunnel. The Republic sure would make for a nice underground transit hub.
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I could envision the Tesla Tera factory complex being connected with tunnels since the site is so massive and on both sides of 130. Similar to what they are doing with the Las Vegas CC. Also if Tesla moves their HQ here and settles in DT they could connect the HQ and factory complex by tunnel. The Republic sure would make for a nice underground transit hub.
Tunneling in Clay will not be easy.
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