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Old Posted Jul 21, 2014, 9:01 PM
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Bulldoze Portage Place and build more towers
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 3:46 AM
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Well that would be stupid......especially when it was designed to have two towers on top of it. It's like building your house twice over.
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Bulldoze Portage Place and build more towers
That cesspool needs to be gentrified.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 5:10 AM
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how much better would it be if those damn skywalks were not there....even if they were flat roof and not a peaked roof it would cut down on their height by 1/3.
The early 1990's called and they want their skywalks back, those skywalks looked like crap then and even worse today, bulky overly massive hulks.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 3:22 PM
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Well that would be stupid......especially when it was designed to have two towers on top of it. It's like building your house twice over.
Portage Place was originally designed as a high-end shopping mall, . Things don't always go as planned.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 4:05 PM
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Portage Place is already going through a dramatic change from it's early retail days to a more of an office/business use centre. Was it designed and built for this initially ,no. Does it have to change due to the demographics and issues that surround this location, yes.

In hindsight did the developers see this coming, doubtful. It will have to change to suit the location it was built on and the area that surrounds it today and adapt to the current situation it's facing . It isn't going anywhere.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 4:10 PM
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Portage Place is already going through a dramatic change from it's early retail days to a more of an office/business use centre. Was it designed and built for this initially ,no. Does it have to change due to the demographics and issues that surround this location, yes.

In hindsight did the developers see this coming, doubtful. It will have to change to suit the location it was built on and the area that surrounds it today and adapt to the current situation it's facing . It isn't going anywhere.
Portage Place lost its raison d'etre once Eaton's went under. It was basically the mall linking the big two downtown retail anchors... it was fairly prosperous as long as both of them were going. Eaton's going under and the downtown Bay slowly fading into oblivion has changed that.

Portage Place of 1997 vs. Portage Place today are two wildly different places.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 4:18 PM
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Yes there are a number of factors that changed the gradual decline of this location. Eatons was one of them. It has to look at the changing market conditions and move to a format that will help it succeed in it's current location and situation.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing or just adding additional information?
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 4:34 PM
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^ A little from column a and column c

Even in the 80s downtown Winnipeg and surrounding areas were not particularly prosperous residential areas, but then neither were many neighbourhoods surrounding downtown areas of Canadian cities. The difference is that in other cities, their central residential areas stayed the same or gentrified, whereas ours declined to the point where you now have a large underclass living in or near downtown - so the people most likely to live nearby and use the mall really don't have a lot of money to spend. I doubt that Portage Place's proponents saw that coming.

The changes to the mall in the last decade, with more services and offices, are a natural response to that. It will be interesting to see what Peterson does with PP now that it's nearing 30 years old and will soon be in need of some major renovations.
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Portage Place was never a success at what it was intended to be. Here's a news story 9 months after the mall opened detailing how no body shops there and that retailers are slashing their expected sale figures for the year.

http://youtu.be/_2Tko7LtREE?list=PL3...LiFBs1PfSgS9k1

Watching those old videos ones reminded that estehtically speaking tha mall hasn't been updated since it opened 25 years ago.
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^ It never came close to what was initially envisioned but it at least held its own for the first 10-12 years. Eaton's closing followed by a long closure of the skywalk (first by a landlord in a contractual dispute next to the Newport Bldg, second by MTS Centre construction) were hits from which it never really recovered.
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We've done it again and gone off-topic
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 5:11 PM
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^ A little from column a and column c

Even in the 80s downtown Winnipeg and surrounding areas were not particularly prosperous residential areas

The difference is that in other cities, their central residential areas stayed the same or gentrified, whereas ours declined to the point where you now have a large underclass living in or near downtown - so the people most likely to live nearby and use the mall really don't have a lot of money to spend. I doubt that Portage Place's proponents saw that coming.

The changes to the mall in the last decade, with more services and offices, are a natural response to that. It will be interesting to see what Peterson does with PP now that it's nearing 30 years old and will soon be in need of some major renovations.
I assumed that was the case, but thanks for the clarifications.

Yes, The demographical change over time has had an effect on the what will work now and going forward.

As time has passed we can only wonder what changes will happen to a 3 decade old mall in Winnipeg's downtown core that has become such a hot button topic whenever mentioned. I wish their was an easy answer.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2014, 5:15 PM
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We've done it again and gone off-topic
Don't worry, This particular thread and the immediate area around Centre Point always causes discussions reg: Portage Ave and what surrounds it's development. It will move on and away very shortly.
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The Alt Hotel tower crane is coming down today.
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The Alt Hotel tower crane is coming down today.
Going to look different at work starting Monday not seeing it up now.
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The Alt Hotel tower crane is coming down today.
Maybe it will just move a bit west and set up for the Glasshouse???
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they loaded it up on trailers and left
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they loaded it up on trailers and left
Saw a piece of it on Dugald coming home from the cottage.
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Maybe it will just move a bit west and set up for the Glasshouse???
I used to think the same thing too, but as now It is a different contractor building Glasshouse it is unlikely they would use the same crane.
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