Foreign born populations: how many nationalites are represented?

[barney82]

Originally Posted by Docere

How does Vancouver feel more diverse than the Bay Area?

The Bay Area, and especially SF, struck me as more American than Vancouver is Canadian. It's all subjective though, I can see how someone would see the Bay Area as more diverse, since there is a larger range of immigrant groups represented.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by barney82

The Bay Area, and especially SF, struck me as more American than Vancouver is Canadian. It's all subjective though, I can see how someone would see the Bay Area as more diverse, since there is a larger range of immigrant groups represented.

I kind of know what you mean, but to me anyway that's not necessarily related to diversity.

It's more related to the fact that the national cultural identity is much stronger and more clearly defined in the U.S. than it is in Canada.

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by barney82

The Bay Area, and especially SF, struck me as more American than Vancouver is Canadian.

Vancouver struck me as very Canadian, with their "100" speed limits posted on the side of roads, which led the US driver in my car (we drove to Vancouver with my host family from Seattle) to say: "These crazy Canadians, they drive 100 miles per hour!"

[RST500]

here is a look at the diaspora of Immigrants in the Bay Area.
(2005-2009 American Factfinder)

Europe:

Born In England
San Francisco 1,951
San Jose 1,559
Oakland 688
San Rafael 376
Fremont 347
Santa Rosa 342
Palo Alto 333
Pleasanton 307
Walnut Creek 301
Novato 294
Berkeley 283
Santa Cruz 264
San Mateo 254
Santa Clara 244
Redwood City 239
Fairfield 236
Mountain View 221
Antioch 198
Mill Valley 196
Menlo Park 192
Moraga 192
Concord 190
Livermore 190
Sausalito 179
Belmont 178
Napa 170
Alameda 168
Danville 163
Benicia 162
Saratoga 161
Sunnyvale 157
Clayton 153
Petaluma 151
San Leandro 144
Pleasant Hill 135
Vallejo 135
Richmond 133
Cupertino 131
Castro Valley 124
Pacifica 124
Vacaville 119
Montara 117
Larkspur 116
Tiburon 111
Los Altos 106
San Carlos 105
Martinez 102
Los Gatos 100

Born in Scotland
San Jose 459
San Francisco 435
Mountain View 221
Vacaville 120

Born in France
San Francisco 2,932
San Jose 969
Palo Alto 819
Berkeley 550
Oakland 543
Mountain View 484
Sunnyvale 309
Los Gatos 273
Fremont 237
South San Francisco 220
Livermore 202
Los Altos 158
Redwood City 151
San Rafael 134
Santa Clara 129
Albany 123
Novato 114
San Carlos 111
Santa Cruz 104

Born in Germany
San Francisco 3,290
San Jose 2,155
Sunnyvale 761
Oakland 716
Mountain View 702
Berkeley 657
Palo Alto 560
Santa Rosa 528
San Mateo 518
Novato 466
San Rafael 450
Fremont 418
Walnut Creek 397
Redwood City 336
Santa Cruz 304
Hayward 283
Vacaville 268
Fairfield 264
Corte Madera 254
Santa Clara 249
San Ramon 235
Half Moon Bay 227
Larkspur 214
Castro Valley 213
Albany 211
Pleasant Hill 211
San Leandro 210
Foster City 207
Alameda 205
San Carlos 205
Daly City 202
Danville 196
Concord 184
Lafayette 177
Saratoga 174
El Cerrito 172
Menlo Park 170
Petaluma 170
Antioch 169
Pleasanton 169
Brentwood 166
San Anselmo 162
Los Altos 160
Napa 160
Pittsburg 159
Benicia 154
Milpitas 153
Vallejo 150
Calistoga 149
Tamalpais-Homestead 148
Livermore 146
Richmond 143
Burlingame 140
Pacifica 139
Dublin 136
Belmont 132
Los Gatos 122
Montara 117
Corte Madera 116
Morgan Hill 112
Sebastopol 110
Suisun City 107
Union City 106
San Bruno 104

Born in the Netherlands
San Jose 542
San Francisco 394
Walnut Creek 141
Los Altos 113
San Mateo 107
Oakland 105
Born in Switzerland
San Francisco 467
San Jose 198
Redwood City 155
Stanford 137
Mountain View 131
Oakland 124


Born in Switzerland
San Francisco 467
San Jose 198
Redwood City 155
Stanford 137
Mountain View 131
Oakland 124


Born in Greece
San Francisco 524
San Jose 265
Oakland 249
Belmont 124
San Mateo 122

Born in Italy
San Francisco 1,902
San Jose 810
San Mateo 445
Berkeley 281
Oakland 266
Concord 239
Cupertino 233
Santa Clara 218
South San Francisco 217
Redwood City 216
Sunnyale 149
Palo Alto 147
Millbrae 146
San Leandro 128
Tamalpais-Homestead 119
Mountain View 117
Daly City 111
Petaluma 108
Fremont 103
Walnut Creek 103

Born in Portugal
San Jose 3,468
San Leandro 925
Santa Clara 852
Newark 422
Fremont 395
San Francisco 298
Brentwood 262
Watsonville 197
Oakland 183
Hayward 178
Castro Valley 160
Petaluma 156
Dublin 155
Cherryland 146
Gilroy 145
San Lorenzo 128
Vallejo 119
Sunnyvale 102

Born in Spain
San Francisco 653
Alameda 534
Oakland 302
Berkeley 252
San Jose 237
Palo Alto 148
Stanford 117
Sunnyvale 117

Born in Poland
San Francisco 986
San Jose 688
Concord 264
San Mateo 242
Oakland 205
Sunnyvale 190
San Leandro 172
Berkeley 167
Walnut Creek 123
Redwood City 119
Emeryville 112
Hayward 112
Alameda 106
Menlo Park 101
Albany 100

Born in Russia
San Francisco 4,776
San Jose 2,482
Concord 764
Mountain View 760
Palo Alto 716
Sunnyvale 681
Fremont 648
Walnut Creek 556
Santa Clara 542
Oakland 443
Foster City 414
Berkeley 411
Cupertino 411
San Mateo 388
Campbell 343
San Bruno 334
Pleasanton 288
Daly City 284
Pleasant Hill 249
Novato 235
Los Gatos 234
Burlingame 230
Belmont 268
Redwood City 175
Castro Valley 173
Moraga 165
San Rafael 160
San Ramon 143
Danville 132
Livermore 121
Martinez 119
Saratoga 113
San Carlos 108
Morgan Hill 105


Born in China
San Francisco 93,108
San Jose 35,611
Fremont 22,292
Oakland 19,034
Sunnyvale 9,601
Cupertino 8,651
Daly City 6,689
San Leandro 5,814
Alameda 5,375
Milpitas 5,087
San Mateo 5,046
Mountain View 4,647
Union City 4,361
Santa Clara 4,187
Palo Alto 4,154
Saratoga 4,008
Hayward 3,420
South San Francisco 3,315
Berkeley 3,287
Millbrae 3,232
Foster City 3,016
San Ramon 2,636
Pleasanton 2,512
Richmond 2,121
Castro Valley 1,930
El Cerrito 1,908
Newark 1,767
San Bruno 1,716
Concord 1,688
Redwood City 1,656
Albany 1,610
Walnut Creek 1,432
Pacifica 1,322
Burlingame 1,546
Los Altos 1,236
Dublin 1,167
Danville 1,050
Santa Rosa 881
Pleasant Hill 810
Ashland 801
Belmont 783
Campbell 759
San Lorenzo 753
Hillsborough 749
Stanford 733
Vallejo 720
Hercules 714
Moraga 677
San Pablo 676
San Carlos 675
Santa Cruz 612
Los Altos Hills 607
Pinole 588
Antioch 577
Livermore 576
Menlo Park 575
Novato 552
Rohnert Park 500
San Rafael 499
Los Gatos 484
Lafayette 483
Orinda 474
Blackhawk 459
Pittsburg 451
Morgan Hill 421
El Sobrante 413
Fairfield 410
Piedmont 400
Martinez 391
Broadmoor 309
Emeryville 301
Vacaville 285
Corte Madera 269
East Palo Alto 262
Atherton 256
Napa 245
Cherryland 240
Alamo 226
Petaluma 226
Benicia 220
Kensington 172
Kentfield 169
Brisbane 158
Portola Valley 145
Gilroy 134
Clayton 133
Rossmoor 133
Suisun City 122
Half Moon Bay 110
Cotati 109
East Richmond 104


Born in Japan
San Francisco 4,917
San Jose 4,288
Sunnyvale 1,376
Berkeley 1,193
San Mateo 1,044
Cupertino 1,024
Santa Clara 820
Palo Alto 788
Foster City 704
Mountain View 697
Fremont 696
Oakland 631
Hayward 628
Napa 565
Redwood City 438
Menlo Park 408
Fairfield 388
Pleasant Hill 336
El Cerrito 304
Alameda 302
Burlingame 254
Walnut Creek 250
Concord 245
South San Francisco 233
Los Altos 218
Castro Valley 217
Albany 214
Dublin 214
Pleasanton 212
San Leandro 205
Vallejo 205
Saratoga 202
Richmond 185
San Rafael 183
Novato 180
Campbell 177
Belmont 173
Petaluma 161
Santa Rosa 152
Lucas Valley-Marinwood 147
Millbrae 146
San Carlos 146
Livermore 133
Milpitas 130
Pacifica 129
Los Gatos 120
Moraga 119

Born in Korea
San Jose 9,689
San Francisco 6,029
Cupertino 2,195
Fremont 2,184
Oakland 1,663
Santa Clara 1,654
Sunnyvale 1,598
Pleasanton 1,438
Berkeley 1,146
Castro Valley 1,068
Palo Alto 1,049
Alameda 1,042
San Ramon 987
Mountain View 891
Campbell 729
Albany 721
Hayward 684
Dublin 597
San Mateo 587
Union City 524
Milpitas 510
Saratoga 478
Concord 451
Emeryville 438
Los Altos 421
Fairfield 409
Pleasant Hill 407
Stanford 387
Foster City 364
Walnut Creek 355
Antioch 352
San Bruno 352
Pinole 322
Santa Rosa 317
Los Gatos 309
Richmond 308
Rohnert Park 290
Hercules 286
Millbrae 286
Novato 279
Livermore 274
Lafayette 271
Brentwood 240
Redwood City 239
Vacaville 229
San Rafael 221
San Leandro 214
Gilroy 206
Menlo Park 206
Burlingame 196
Vallejo 171
Moraga 195
Martinez 163
Blackhawk 159
Belmont 153
Santa Cruz 145
Newark 144
Morgan Hill 142
Napa 142
Hillsborough 136
East Palo Alto 126
Orinda 106
Pacifica 103
Alamo 101

Born in Afghanistan
Fremont 2,684
Concord 1,439
Antioch 636
San Jose 624
Hayward 553
Union City 529
Milpitas 419
Newark 370
Dublin 275
Alameda 237
Livermore 200
Castro Valley 195
Pittsburg 181
Orinda 154
Brentwood 120
Oakland 100

Born in India
San Jose 26,207
Fremont 21,891
Sunnyvale 13,661
Santa Clara 10,539
Cupertino 6,293
Union City 6,132
Milpitas 5,017
San Francisco 4,408
Pleasanton 2,862
Mountain View 2,790
San Ramon 2,621
Hayward 2,159
Newark 1,888
Foster City 1,573
Berkeley 1,557
Saratoga 1,519
Palo Alto 1,484
Richmond 1,155
Oakland 1,132
Concord 1,119
San Mateo 1,111
Pittsburg 1,054
Fairfield 1,037
Los Altos 979
Redwood City 926
Dublin 896
Vallejo 886
Alameda 868
Livermore 801
Belmont 724
Walnut Creek 714
San Leandro 634
South San Francisco 561
Los Altos Hills 537
Castro Valley 521
Hercules 480
San Rafael 475
Antioch 457
Petaluma 430
Vacaville 406
Daly City 403
San Carlos 347
San Pablo 339
Santa Rosa 318
Rohnert Park 317
Emeryville 311
Pittsburg 309
Suisun City 297
San Bruno 281
Danville 265
Blackhawk 264
Rodeo 263
Novato 257
Stanford 254
Santa Cruz 241
Millbrae 225
Martinez 218
Morgan Hill 214
Menlo Park 211
Ashland 206
El Cerrito 205
East Palo Alto 199
Los Gatos 163
Orinda 142
Cherryland 140
Sonoma 136
Gilroy 130
Oakley 129
Clayton 127
Scotts Valley 127
Monte Sereno 112
Pacifica 110
Sausalito 109
Mill Valley 100

Born in Iran
San Jose 7,596
San Francisco 1,685
Sunnyvale 1,043
Walnut Creek 856
Saratoga 752
Cupertino 745
San Mateo 745
San Ramon 720
Fremont 672
Oakland 620
Palo Alto 609
Concord 596
Pleasanton 546
Belmont 500
Dublin 496
Danville 476
Los Gatos 476
Novato 463
Berkeley 439
El Cerrito 425
Richmond 424
Mountain View 408
Santa Clara 401
Los Altos 339
Foster City 315
Campbell 310
Redwood City 306
Vacaville 286
San Rafael 272
Santa Rosa 267
Pleasant Hill 258
Menlo Park 246
Burlingame 244
Petaluma 222
Alamo 213
Daly City 207
Lafayette 203
Strawberry 199
Morgan Hill 190
Castro Valley 178
Tiburon 177
Milpitas 173
Hayward 169
Moraga 144
San Carlos 141
Hercules 140
San Pablo 139
Tamalpais-Homestead 139
Orinda 134
Corte Madera 136
Hillsborough 135
Albany 127
Rossmoor 122
Clayton 109
Livermore 109
Los Altos Hills 103
Pacifica 102

[Jonesy55]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

same accent

much much much larger share of the (non-aboriginal) Aus and NZ populations are british isles origin than in the US or even Canada

they watch the same TV shows, watch the same music. laugh at the same jokes. play the same sports. As has been mentioned, their celebrities are shared in common (Kylie Minogue, Germaine Greer, etc)

Brits move to AUS all the time, and vis versa

part of the commonwealth

anyone who has lived in London will realize that Australia is not considered a foreign country by the Brits, at all.

far closer that the US and Canada even.

Sorry but this is complete nonsense.

[kool maudit]

Same accent?

[barney82]

Originally Posted by kool maudit

Same accent?

Well, if you're not a native English speaker, I think Australian and variants of British English sound just about the same. Not as close as Canadian and American (wait, those are different accents?), but quite similar.

[dc_denizen]

Originally Posted by Jonesy55

Sorry but this is complete nonsense.

on what grounds?

[nito]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

on what grounds?

Probably because there isn’t one British accent to start off with.

[New Brisavoine]

^^And yet a British person, whatever their accent, is immediately spotted in America as soon they open their mouth. Go figure.

[Acajack]

I'd say that, to the untrained ear, the most easily distinguished anglophone accents for people around the world are what most people consider British-sounding accents (English, Aussie, South African anglo, Kiwi) vs. American-sounding accents (which includes Anglo-Canadian BTW).

People with an untrained ear can generally make a broad distinction between the two groupings, but may be ignorant of the major differences within them, or not attuned to them.

There are also associated accents which are outliers that people (even the "untrained") may be able to identify reasonably easily: Scottish, Irish, New Yawk, Southern U.S., etc.

Some of these are more easily recognized for most people than the English vs. Ausssie or Kiwi accents would be.

[nito]

Originally Posted by New Brisavoine

^^And yet a British person, whatever their accent, is immediately spotted in America as soon they open their mouth. Go figure.

Without any quantitative research, what you allude to would I suspect be down to the permeation of British culture across the globe, and the British diaspora. There just isn’t one British accent, and I think many people would be offended if you were to say Scouse is the same accent to say MLE or Cornish.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by nito

Without any quantitative research, what you allude to would I suspect be down to the permeation of British culture across the globe, and the British diaspora. There just isn’t one British accent, and I think many people would be offended if you were to say Scouse is the same accent to say MLE or Cornish.

Again, keep in mind we are talking about the untrained, unattuned ear here for the most part.

My kids are not native English speakers but do understand English fairly decently. They can't tell an English person from an Australian person based on accent.

Heck, my kids are Canadian and can't even tell an Anglo-Canadian from a "Middle American" accent.

[Jonesy55]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

on what grounds?

Well, to start with the accents are not the same at all, an Australian in the UK would be instantly recognisable as such as soon as they opened their mouth to speak, as would a British person in Australia. Maybe to outsiders it may be less obvious but surely the question is whether it is obvious to the people involved, which it very much is. I can't tell the difference between an Angolan Portuguese accent and a Portuguese Portuguese accent, but Lusophones probably can, which is what matters.

In terms of sports the most popular sport in Australia, Aussie Rules football, is barely played at any level in the UK, while the most popular sport in the UK, (soccer) football is a relatively minor professional sport in Australia. Some other sports are popular in both, others are more popular in either one or the other.

Some celebrities are famous in both countries, there are many more however who are well known in the UK but not in Australia or vice versa. There are probably as many Canadians as Australians who are famous in the UK while there are many more US Americans who are famous in the UK, I'm struggling to think of many famous New Zealanders!

Is music any more shared than between any other Anglophone nations, I'm not sure it is. :?

Mozambique, Jamaica and Bangladesh are in the Commonwealth too, I'm not sure what relevance that has to the subject.

Yes, Brits move to Australia all the time, they also move to Spain, to the UAE, to France, to the USA, to Singapore and many other places. Mexicans move to the US all the time and Americans move to Mexico all the time, does that mean they should get scrubbed from the figures?

As somebody who lives in the UK I can assure you that Australia is seen as a foreign country by pretty much everybody, a foreign country with which the UK has strong links but a foreign country nonetheless.

Obviously due to language, history etc then an Australian living in the UK isn't as 'alien' as a Zambian living in Japan but that's not to say they are not a distinct and recognisable community.

[JManc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Again, keep in mind we are talking about the untrained, unattuned ear here for the most part.

My kids are not native English speakers but do understand English fairly decently. They can't tell an English person from an Australian person based on accent.

Heck, my kids are Canadian and can't even tell an Anglo-Canadian from a "Middle American" accent.

I'm from Upstate NY and apart from the occasional "aboot" even I can't tell most Canadian accents apart from northern American accents but the difference between the variety of "British" accents and Aussie accents are pretty stark. Even within England alone, the accents very considerably. Brummie vs. East End London cockney might as well be two different countries.

British and Australian accents are pretty well represented on TV/ Film for the average Joe to know the difference at this point.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JManc

I'm from Upstate NY and apart from the occasional "aboot" even I can't tell most Canadian accents apart from northern American accents but the difference between the variety of "British" accents and Aussie accents are pretty stark. Even within England alone, the accents very considerably. Brummie vs. East End London cockney might as well be two different countries.

British and Australian accents are pretty well represented on TV/ Film for the average Joe to know the difference at this point.

Average Joe from the Anglosphere...

[Docere]

This might help with rough estimates on what percentage for those born in various countries were in fact born to British parents:

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171776_407038.pdf

[NorthernDancer]

Originally Posted by dc_denizen

on what grounds?

British and Australian accents are not even similar.

[Shawn]

For what it's worth, most Japanese cannot tell the difference between a British and Aussie accent. Especially the CNN Asia / CNN Japan announcers: they're all Aussies, but none of my staff and even sometimes my wife cannot on the spot confirm "Brit or Aussie?"

As a kid, I always thought the generic Australian accent sounded like a type of British accent.

To my American ears, Aussie accents sound much closer to British accents than they do North American ones. It's the non-rhotic nature of both which makes them sound similar to us rhotic North Americans (says the guy from Boston...).

[brickell]

Originally Posted by brickell

There's got to be at least 15000 Russians down here. I can't got anywhere near the beach without hearing it. Maybe they're all Ukranian? Who knows.

Just because...
http://www.dailybusinessreview.com/i...ex=0&curpage=2

With some 400,000 Russian-speaking immigrants, South Florida is already home to one of the largest Russian-speaking communities in the country, said Kendall Coffey, a founding partner of Coffey Burlington and a litigator who has a substantial amount of work with Russian and Russian-American clients.