When will NYC get a new tallest?

[MolsonExport]

When will Grand Rapids get a new tallest?

[The New York Lion]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

100 supertalls is extremely far fetched considering many get downsized / never happen.

40-50 would satisfy me. NY could ideally compete with Dubai or Shenzhen.

There will be 25+ by 2030ish.

There can be 100 supertalls in Manhattan eventually.

America is by far the strongest nation economically, and that may never change.

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[chris08876]

Just for those not aware of 350 Park.

Potential new tallest for NYC to the roof. 1600 ft/62 floors of it.

2025 approval process/review.

2028 start (once demo is done)

2032 completion.

Tentative time line. So for the OP's question factoring in roof height or pinnacle height, 350 Park.


Credit: https://www.archpaper.com/2024/04/fo...0-park-avenue/

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Just for those not aware of 350 Park.

Potential new tallest for NYC to the roof. 1600 ft/62 floors of it.

2025 approval process/review.

2028 start (once demo is done)

2032 completion.

Tentative time line. So for the OP's question factoring in roof height or pinnacle height, 350 Park.

Any theories on why mid-century buildings on Park Avenue are being replaced like this?

[DCReid]

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[iheartthed]

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[Crawford]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Any theories on why mid-century buildings on Park Avenue are being replaced like this?

They're old and outdated, esp. on the west side of Park. The east side of Park tends to have somewhat bigger, newer buildings with bigger footprints, but the west side will almost be completely replaced in the coming years.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

Any theories on why mid-century buildings on Park Avenue are being replaced like this?

Your older stock just can't compete with the demands of the time. Clients want large ceilings, spacious environments and its sort of impossible without causing a structure to cave in by removing columns or key pillars in an older structure. Reconversion would be a nightmare. Better to just demolish and rebuild.

More a function of demand. Granted the city has a ton of space that is available for office, high vacancy rate, which could be good for your lower and mid tiered clients but the high end ones demand modern space.

If anything, if the city could relax its asinine rules when it comes to office to residential conversion, a ton of that older space could be better used for housing. Make it easier to do such conversions.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Your older stock just can't compete with the demands of the time. Clients want large ceilings, spacious environments and its sort of impossible without causing a structure to cave in by removing columns or key pillars in an older structure. Reconversion would be a nightmare. Better to just demolish and rebuild.

More a function of demand. Granted the city has a ton of space that is available for office, high vacancy rate, which could be good for your lower and mid tiered clients but the high end ones demand modern space.

If anything, if the city could relax its asinine rules when it comes to office to residential conversion, a ton of that older space could be better used for housing. Make it easier to do such conversions.

But there's even older building stock in this same neighborhood that could be replaced. Just on the opposite side of Grand Central there are a ton of prewar towers that are way more outdated than the mid-century stuff on Park Ave North.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

But there's even older building stock in this same neighborhood that could be replaced. Just on the opposite side of Grand Central there are a ton of prewar towers that are way more outdated than the mid-century stuff on Park Ave North.

There's one prewar on Park just to the northwest of Grand Central. That will likely be demolished and redeveloped. It's been in the news lately, as a potential new tower assemblage.

That's the only remaining prewar office building on that main stretch of Park.

There are prewars all over Midtown, but developers want the prime blocks, with the appropriate zoning and the big footprints. You generally can't build these buildings outside of the district.

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by Crawford

There's one prewar on Park just to the northwest of Grand Central. That will likely be demolished and redeveloped. It's been in the news lately, as a potential new tower assemblage.

That's the only remaining prewar office building on that main stretch of Park.

There are prewars all over Midtown, but developers want the prime blocks, with the appropriate zoning and the big footprints. You generally can't build these buildings outside of the district.

No idea why Manhattan still has height limits/FAR zoning in this day and age.

[mrnyc]

hopefully phase two of the clevo sherwin williams hq is taller than the current phase tower one is. that would be nice.