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[chris123678]

Why are people saying towers 2 and 3 are going to be scrapped, and the twins are going to be rebuilt, whats going On?

[OptimumPx]

Originally Posted by chris123678

Why are people saying towers 2 and 3 are going to be scrapped, and the twins are going to be rebuilt, whats going On?

Even if they scrapped the actual towers in buildings 2 & 3 they are planning on building them up through the lobby and retail floors as 'stump buildings', however that's only until they get the financing to actually build the full thing up.

The site is far too complex to build anything other then what the current plans are showing...it's all too interconnected underground with the vehicle security center and the transportation hub.

To make a long story short (too late!), as soon as you were able to see any bits of the new tower 1 peeking up out of the ground it was too late to build anything else really.

[Roadcruiser1]

No Twin Towers. They aren't coming back unless if someone builds them somewhere else.

[steveve]

Originally Posted by CoolCzech

watching people slide down the slope

right off the edge!

but yeah, an outdoor observation deck would be cool, but indoor is completely fine for me. Besides, both Rockefeller and Empire state have outdoor areas.

[marshall]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmbN5tXp9nI

There will be a cool documentary on PBS on their NOVA program about building One WTC Tower. Looks very good. Will be on PBS Wednesday, September 7, 2011 at 9pm et. Link to a preview is above.

[marshall]

Originally Posted by OptimumPx

Even if they scrapped the actual towers in buildings 2 & 3 they are planning on building them up through the lobby and retail floors as 'stump buildings', however that's only until they get the financing to actually build the full thing up.

The site is far too complex to build anything other then what the current plans are showing...it's all too interconnected underground with the vehicle security center and the transportation hub.

To make a long story short (too late!), as soon as you were able to see any bits of the new tower 1 peeking up out of the ground it was too late to build anything else really.

So basically you are saying that there will only be one skyscraper at the site, that being One World Trade Center Tower, and towers 2,3 will just be small buildings? I am confused. lol

[OptimumPx]

Originally Posted by marshall

So basically you are saying that there will only be one skyscraper at the site, that being One World Trade Center Tower, and towers 2,3 will just be small buildings? I am confused. lol

Not exactly.

Until they get the money to pay for the full towers they plan on just building the stumps of 2 & 3 (lobby and retail levels). However when the money is in place they will build towers 2 & 3.

[Don098]

Marshall, Marshall, Marshall...sigh. There are going four new towers. Look at ANY rendering of the new WTC and count them. There's your answer.

They will ALL be built soon. This whole holding-off-until-there's-financing is merely a pause, not a stop. There is no way in hell that they won't all get built, one way or the other. If a disaster occurs and Silverstien cannot secure financing for towers 2 and 3 for some reason, politicians and governments will likely step in to finish this off. It just simply could not remain incomplete.

[uaarkson]

Yep. Silverstein is legally obligated to build those towers. One way or another, they'll get built.

[uaarkson]

Barring another terrorist attack, or a double dip recession (which the U.S. will likely skirt by), there will be anchor tenants for these towers within the net year.

[animatedmartian]

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[sterlippo1]

Originally Posted by TallFan

The best location for an outdoor observation deck might be on top of Tower 3, think about it... WTC 1 has the spire and the lights taking up space, so no room for too many people, plus safety concerns. Tower 2 has no roof in the conventional sense and Tower 4 is the shortest of the bunch. Tower 3 would be perfect, central to the entire World Trade Center complex, surrounded by all the other buildings, you would truly feel a part of the whole experience. This could be an alternative addition to the indoor observation deck in Tower 1. Now if they just build Tower 3 to it's full planned height.

i like that idea...........kinda like the best view in midtown is at Top of the Rock, NOT the ESB

[hunser]

^^ right, because from the top of the rock you can actually see the ESB. same goes for 3WTC where you can see marvels as 1 and 2WTC. btw great pics everyone, keep them coming.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by CoolCzech

I guess they COULD have had an outdoor observation deck on 2 WTC, and it would have been interesting watching people slide down the slope

That would be so much fun haha, they should build a slide on top of tower 2. Kind of like the ride on the stratosphoere tower in vegas.

[NYguy]

Guess its time for the weekly reminder - this is the Freedom Tower/1 WTC thread. If you people want to keep discussing those other towers, do it in the appropriate threads.


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[philvia]

that last pic is amazing

[steveve]

right, but the dilemma with an outdoor observation deck on 3WTC, is that the roof fins would be way too high for people to see anything!

imo, 2wtc, and 4wtc are more ideal...

btw: are people allowed to go on that big setback on 4wtc!?! aside from it being a setback, is there any use to it?... THAT would be a great view of the WTC site!

[JayDubo]

Originally Posted by STR

Well, clearly this building isn't actually going to be 1,776' tall.
Main Lobby is at Elv. 311'2
North Entrance is at 307'10"
Beacon is at 2087'2, 1776' above main lobby floor, but 1779'4 above north entrance.
PLUS, if you look at the top of the diagram, there's an 8' section above the beacon, making it 1787'4" tall.

1787 is actually a much better number, when you think about it. 1776 was when we declared war on a country that's now an ally. How the hell is that really relevant to this building? 1787, on the other hand, was the year the US Constitution was written and adopted. Much more relevant.

what datum is the project working off of for lobby to be at elevation +311'-2" and spire to be at +2087'-2"? clearly not the manhattan datum...

update/edit:
a few minutes on google and i've answered my own question...
http://www.pobonline.com/Articles/Co...100000f932a8c0
"Most of the work in New York City, however, is tied to a specific borough datum. In Manhattan for example, the Manhattan vertical datum is 2.75' above mean sea level at Sandy Hook. Transit Authority vertical datum is 100.1' above the Manhattan vertical datum. Similarly, the Port Authority vertical datum is 297.347' above NGVD 29. The Transit Authority and Port Authority, with tunnels well below sea level, use these datums so engineers and surveyors can work in positive numbers."

[upnotout]

Originally Posted by Don098

Marshall, Marshall, Marshall...sigh. There are going four new towers. Look at ANY rendering of the new WTC and count them. There's your answer.

Maybe you could use a recount.

[Onn]

Originally Posted by upnotout

Maybe you could use a recount.

You could use a recount too.



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