noirish Los Angeles

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Movie Usherettes, Los Angeles, 1956


Robert Frank, Art Institute of Chicago

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and unless my eyes deceive me, the corsages are black Dahlias!
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Yes, with that center, they do look like semidouble Dahlias, don't they? It would be an odd choice, as they'd kind of smell "green" (as opposed to "sweet"). Not an offensive smell, but not a very attractive one either. On the one flower I'm seeing fairly well, and guessing, it looks like the color shades to ?--knowing Dahlias, probably something like yellow--around the center, the outer edges likely being something like orange-red. And that concludes our Dahlia news for today.

[ethereal_reality]

odinthor, is it true 'black' dahlias are really a deep deep burgundy?
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When I was in grade school one of my classmates' Mom committed suicide.
She had left a note on the kitchen table requesting, of all things, a black dahlia at her funeral.

Our entire class went to the funeral visitation and sure enough, there it was. This huge black flower pinned on her dress like a corsage.
I'll never forget that as long as I live.
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[Bristolian]

Now that's noirish!

[ethereal_reality]

1908

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

The 1908 LA City Directory says the Demateis Winery had a facility at 627 N. Los Angeles Street.

I believe the two mystery words are North Cucamonga. Maybe that's where the grapes were grown?

Originally Posted by HossC

The 1899 CD lists Giovanni Demateis in the winery business at 627 N Los Angeles as Demateis & Pellissier. He was living at 24 Olivera, and business partner Antoine Pellissier was at 27 Olivera. The same CD shows that the two were also proprietors of the North Cucamonga Winery (North Cucamonga, Cal), with an LA address at 430 W 7th Street.

By 1914, the business had become the Italian-American Vineyard Co, with Giovanni as president and premises at 1507 E 1st Street.
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Thanks for your help Flyingwedge & HossC.



italian american museum of los angeles [no date]

"One of the Italian owned wineries that existed when Olvera Street used to be called Wine Street." -kcet


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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

odinthor, is it true 'black' dahlias are really a deep deep burgundy?
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When I was in grade school one of my classmates' Mom committed suicide.
She had left a note on the kitchen table requesting, of all things, a black dahlia at her funeral.

Our entire class went to the funeral visitation and sure enough, there it was. This huge black flower pinned on her dress like a corsage.
I'll never forget that as long as I live.
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A black dahlia ....dedicated to the NLA crew....

[ethereal_reality]

I appreciate the sentiment CBD.

The 'black' dahlia at the funeral was much darker than that.

It was more like THIS.

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[ahsansial]

Originally Posted by Mstimc

I can't help but notice Harry's "loincloth" bears a striking resemblance to the modern-day utilikilt:
http://www.utilikilts.com/

You can check this awesome Scottish kilt
https://scottishkiltshop.com

[ethereal_reality]

'mystery' building

"Pasadena CA building demolition 1978 Keep out sign"











I hope someone here on NLA might recognize this building.

You can find the four 35mm slides on ebay

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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I appreciate the sentiment CBD.

The 'black' dahlia at the funeral was much darker than that.

It was more like THIS.

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Yes, ER....these flowers can vary greatly in color. Maybe the dahlia can be the Official Flower for NLA. What could be more à propos ?

Now we need the Official dog, car, colors, flag, drink, soda, meal, food, song, motto, film and who knows what else.

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

odinthor, is it true 'black' dahlias are really a deep deep burgundy?
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When I was in grade school one of my classmates' Mom committed suicide.
She had left a note on the kitchen table requesting, of all things, a black dahlia at her funeral.

Our entire class went to the funeral visitation and sure enough, there it was. This huge black flower pinned on her dress like a corsage.
I'll never forget that as long as I live.
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Yes, absolutely, most "black" flowers are really deepest red or deepest purple red or deepest Maroon: Dahlias, Roses, Daylilies, Sweet Peas, various Arums, and so on. They tend to burn easily in the sun, so they're not quite the thing for Sunny Southern California!

[AlvaroLegido]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Humphrey Bogart (Vincent Parry)
Tom D'Andrea (Sam) (recognizes Parry on the run and offers to help him)

[Tourmaline]

"Train and Work in Hollywood"

"Time to Study"



Hollywood Secretarial School is listed at 6356 Hollywood Blvd. in 1925 and at 1717 Vine in 1931. Which address is depicted in the photo below?
FWIW, in 1911, "Smithy" Hopper apparently had two locations: 617 S. Vine and 222-224 Cahuenga Avenue. Per '25-'27 CD, closer to when this image was taken, Hopper's Blacksmith shop was located at 1534 Cahuenga.


Undated

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...oll65/id/22657






"Hollywoodvale?"








Blacksmith Hopper led to a revisit of Plomb tools.






Addresses related to Plomb Tools and its founder, Alphonso Plomb, were previously discussed here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=14575. There are more.

The Plomb Tool Company had its beginning in 1907 as a small blacksmith shop in Los Angeles, operated by partners Charles Williams, Jacob Weninger, and Alphonse Plomb. Its earliest tools included items such as hand-forged chisels and punches, intended primarily for the plumbing and building trades. Relatively little is known of this phase of Plomb's history, as the type of tools produced tended to wear out with use, and may not have been even marked for identification.

By 1917 Alphonse Plomb had left Plomb Tool to go into business for himself, and in 1917 C.H. Williams brought in John L. Pendleton as a partner and manager. After the death of John Pendleton in 1922, he was succeeded as partner and manager by his son, Morris B. Pendleton. http://alloy-artifacts.org/plomb-gallery.html#history

The 1910 CD lists Mr. Plomb's residence at 1658 Long Beach Avenue. By 1913, he was at 7674 1/2 Maie Avenue. The 1917 CD lists Plomb Tools at 1409 Georgia Street. By 1918, the Plomb tool plant, - evidently - without Alphonse Plumb , was listed at 1119 Santa Fe Avenue The tool plant eventually matriculated to 2209 Santa Fe Avenue.

[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido

Humphrey Bogart (Vincent Parry)
Tom D'Andrea (Sam) (recognizes Parry on the run and offers to help him)

Thanks for the info....most interesting AL

[odinthor]

Originally Posted by odinthor

Yes, absolutely, most "black" flowers are really deepest red or deepest purple red or deepest Maroon: Dahlias, Roses, Daylilies, Sweet Peas, various Arums, and so on. They tend to burn easily in the sun, so they're not quite the thing for Sunny Southern California!

A little gallery of "black" flowers:


Credits left to right, up to down: JRG Dahlias UK; Helena Verghese Borg; Daylily-Phlox.eu; mygarden.rhs.org.uk; wikimedia

[ethereal_reality]

the Sweet Pea looks like an Iris. We had them growing in our yard when I was a kid.
I remember because they were taller than me

I'm still not very tall.

[tovangar2]

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug

Yes, ER....these flowers can vary greatly in color. Maybe the dahlia can be the Official Flower for NLA. What could be more à propos ?

Now we need the Official dog, car, colors, flag, drink, soda, meal, food, song, motto, film and who knows what else.

Well, you're highlighting our "official" year with that "Dark Passage" screen grab: 1947.

[ethereal_reality]

Here's yet another float from the 1908 'Prosperity Parade'.


Los Angeles Herald Nov. 19, 1908

Bishop's Cup-Chocolate

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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by tovangar2

Well, you're highlighting our "official" year with that "Dark Passage" screen grab: 1947.

Guide to Biltmore Services, 6th edition MAY, 1947



I vaguely recall seeing a Biltmore services book on NLA, but I don't recall if it was this 1947 edition.

#1

there's the date..........



#2


The coffee shop seats 600 people!?!!

The Salon d' Aperitif sounds like a good place for a clandestine rendezvous.




#3


............................................................................................................................ I didn't realize there was a Pig N' Whistle inside the Biltmore



#4


even a 'Fountain Pen Service' ------->




#5






#6


Pig n' Whistle mentioned again. (sounds like it might have been just a candy store)



#7


Sorry for all the blurriness.




I almost forgot the back cover


The Biltmore Services Guide is currently on EBAY



as you no doubt already know....

latimes

Elizabeth Short didn't have much money so why choose the opulent Biltmore Hotel?
I've read so many theories over the years I don't remember if that simple question was ever answered.

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[CityBoyDoug]

The Biltmore Rendezvous Court....The afternoon nightclub.

I'll be spending my afternoon hours "place to be...."

Thank goodness the hotel mentions a ''pen service"....I never know where to get good ink for my fountain pen.
I'm writing a novel ....it about all the crew at NLA....including of course Tovangar and Ethereal...plus all the others.
No one is left out. Tentative title is, "Answered Prayers...Part Deux".....cool eh?


https://t-ec.bstatic.com/images/hote...8/44843992.jpg

[GaylordWilshire]

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

Hamilton Burger on the wrong side of the law...at Wrigley Field in Armored Car Robbery (1950)






I'll leave it to someone else to identify the location where the '39 Dodge careens around a corner and winds up at the mouth of a tunnel...

I decided to look for the location of the the careening Dodge myself...thanks to my friend John Bengtson, urban archaeologist without peer, I found it.
Remembering images of downtown tunnels at his amazing Silent Locations blog, I found what I was looking for.

The Dodge was moving east on Temple, turning north toward the southerly entrance to the northerly Hill Street tunnel.... Below is Mr. Bengtson's
illustration of the intersection in his location survey of Laurel & Hardy's Another Fine Mess, which shows the earthworks at the entrance as well as
the buildings at the southwest corner of Temple & Hill, which included the white one at far left. They were all demolished within months of the
release of Armored Car Robbery for the Hall of Administration. The intersection today bears no resemblance to 1950....



John Bengtson's Silent Locations




GSV