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Old Posted Feb 17, 2020, 3:06 PM
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The Board of Standards and Appeals, not the courts, is the final arbiter. So the NIMBYs can delay the project and drive up costs, but they cannot actually remove floors, because the city approved the project according to accepted standards, and the BSA would not overrule itself. That would mean practically every building built using zoning lot mergers in the last 50 years is in question.

So the major harm is cost/time. The NIMBYs hope to harm developers, and scare off new development, monopolizing housing supply for their own units. Even when the next judge affirms the project, the damage is done.

The tower looks pretty great from Columbus Circle, BTW. The facade close-up is less-than-spectacular, but the tower is stunning from afar.
     
     
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The Board of Standards and Appeals, not the courts, is the final arbiter. So the NIMBYs can delay the project and drive up costs, but they cannot actually remove floors, because the city approved the project according to accepted standards, and the BSA would not overrule itself. That would mean practically every building built using zoning lot mergers in the last 50 years is in question.

So the major harm is cost/time. The NIMBYs hope to harm developers, and scare off new development, monopolizing housing supply for their own units. Even when the next judge affirms the project, the damage is done.

The tower looks pretty great from Columbus Circle, BTW. The facade close-up is less-than-spectacular, but the tower is stunning from afar.
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So essentially all they’ve accomplished is sending the building back to receive the BSA rubber stamp again?

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delaying the inevitable is a classic NIMBY strategy. Be a pain in the ass to developers and maybe they won't build there in the future.
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Update on the legal bull shit going on with this:

200 Amsterdam Ruling Threatens ‘Havoc’ To New York City Development



Too lazy to highlight things, but gives you an idea of of the current bs going on with this.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2020, 8:11 PM
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Aren't the top condos already sold?

If they didn't want them building 20 extra floors they should have stepped in at the beginning.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 21, 2020, 8:41 PM
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Sales are doing really well. Asinine ruling that I hope will be overturned, even if it has to go to the Supreme Court (not the state one).
     
     
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Just curious, another article I read (6sqft) mentions “an assessment of the zoning lot to determine the legal height of the building.” Is it safe to assume that a city agency (DOB and/or BSA) will be carrying that out? If that were the case, I’d expect them to determine that the building’s current height is legal, as they have on previous occasions. Or will some other entity be determining that?

Either way, I expect the building to be allowed to remain at its current height, especially considering the number of other buildings (including the MetLife/Pan Am!) built on so-called “gerrymandered” lots.
     
     
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https://nypost.com/2020/03/02/nyc-ig...st-side-condo/

NYC ignoring judge’s order on height of Upper West Side condo

By Steve Cuozzo
March 2, 2020



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It’s a skyscraper struggle for the ages.

The city has ignored a judge’s order to make a developer chop 20 floors off a controversial new, 52-story apartment tower — and on Monday, the Department of Buildings asserted it was standing by the hotly-disputed blessing it previously gave the project.

Manhattan Supreme Court Judge Franc Perry told the DOB last month to revoke a permit for 200 Amsterdam Ave., a development by SJP Properties near West 71st Street.
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...on Monday, a DOB internal bulletin specifically exempted 200 Amsterdam from a proposed new rule to nix combining partial lots in the future.

The DOB had allowed the technique since a 1978 deputy commissioner’s rule known as the “Minkin memo.”

In the latest twist to the complicated saga, the new DOB bulletin eliminates the 1978 precedent, stating, “A zoning lot may not consist of parts of tax lots” — but it decisively adds, “unless a permit has been issued in reliance on such zoning lots prior to the date of this bulletin.”

The DOB permit for 200 Amsterdam was issued in 2017.
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Good for the city. Sanity prevails.

Can the city and developer sue the wealthy NIMBYs for their outrageous, harrassing, stalling tactics?
     
     
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Honestly they should. If they want to change the rule going forward, great. But NYC would have become the laughingstock of the nation if they had forced the developer to remove floors from an existing building.
     
     
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Just fine the developer and be done with it. I really like this building.
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^ yeah it has a really nice look from broadway.

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Just fine the developer and be done with it. I really like this building.
Fine the developer for what? They did everything according to the city's rules. Even the NIMBYs acknowledge this; their claim is that the city doesn't know how to interpret its own regulations.

The question is who is gonna go after the NIMBYs for their harrassment?
     
     
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It was a ridiculous ruling anyway...


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The court ruling last month was hailed by the Municipal Art Society and other organizations that complained that the project exploited a zoning “loophole” and was “grossly out of scale” for the neighborhood.

But SJP chairman Steve Pozycki had called Perry’s decision a “dangerous precedent” that “land-use controls can be upended and substantial investments can be wiped out.”

Many real estate lawyers agreed, arguing that revoking permits retroactively would subject 20 other buildings that needed partial-tax-lot transfers — including the MetLife Building on Park Avenue — to the threat of being dismantled.


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City Halts Court Order to Chop Much of West-Side Condo Tower
Judge had cited zoning violation at 200 Amsterdam project; appellate panel will now take up issue






By Josh Barbanel
March 3, 2020


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New York City officials Tuesday halted a judge’s order that a developer stop construction and demolish much of a 55-story condominium tower in Manhattan.

The ruling last month said the developer of the project known as 200 Amsterdam had to shrink the building because it violated the city’s zoning code.
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In this case, the city came to one developer’s defense when city lawyers notified the court that they had filed an appeal in the 200 Amsterdam case. Under state law, when New York City is a defendant, it is entitled to an automatic stay of a ruling against it, lawyers said.

The case will now be considered by an appellate panel and could face a review by the state’s highest court, the Court of Appeals.
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The 668-foot tall building, at 200 Amsterdam Avenue, has already topped out, and many of the 112 condominiums there are on the market. Construction on the site has been continuing, despite the threat of partial demolition.

“We will continue to vigorously appeal this ruling in partnership with the City and are confident that the facts and justice will prevail,” said a spokeswoman for SJP Properties.
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At 200 Amsterdam Avenue, the zoning lot was assembled from a collection of partial tax lots left out of other construction projects on the same block. A 1977 buildings-department memo allowed these partial tax lots to be combined into a single building site.

The permit application for the Amsterdam building shows a spiderlike network of skinny partial lots. The combination allowed the construction of a 370,000-square foot building.
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On Monday, as the city prepared to file its appeal, the department of buildings issued a final memorandum barring the use of partial zoning lots—but only for future projects where a permit hasn’t yet been issued.

That allows the mayor to show support for opponents of the project—and the city agencies that approved the building permit.

Jane Meyer, a spokeswoman for the mayor said the city was “closing this loophole for new projects, so that developers will no longer be able to cobble together partial tax lots for new buildings.”

On Tuesday, she said that the city was also appealing the decision because: ““It is the city’s responsibility to fix flawed policy—not the Court’s.”
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