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Who knows - maybe the start of something here? TOD of studios proposed for Archer in McKinley Park. Also, very encouraging piece of info in last paragraph regarding a nearby parcel, also on Archer: The former Unique Thrift Store parcel had been planned to turn into another single-use standalone retail project in the form of a dollar store. However, the alderman pushed back against it and is advocating instead for denser, mixed use residential over retail at the site:


http://mckinleypark.org/neighborhood...er-and-leavitt
Good to see. There's been some townhome developments in that area in the last few years - a few in that same area but also around 40 in development right now around 35th and Maplewood (not sure if it counts as TOD).
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Who knows - maybe the start of something here? TOD of studios proposed for Archer in McKinley Park. Also, very encouraging piece of info in last paragraph regarding a nearby parcel, also on Archer: The former Unique Thrift Store parcel had been planned to turn into another single-use standalone retail project in the form of a dollar store. However, the alderman pushed back against it and is advocating instead for denser, mixed use residential over retail at the site:


http://mckinleypark.org/neighborhood...er-and-leavitt
Nice. This could be the Orange Line's first TOD under the new ordinance, unless I'm mistaken
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I didn't see this discussed. The link shows there were some renderings presented. Anyone get a look at them?

11-Story Heart of Uptown Residential/Retail Tower Gets Local Panel OK
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016...local-panel-ok
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2016, 1:46 AM
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U.S. Steel Land Broken Up Into 4 Pieces, Ending Dream Of Mega-Development
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SOUTH CHICAGO — Plans for one mega-development on the 430 vacant acres of U.S. Steel South Works land in South Chicago are officially dead, and Ald. Greg Mitchell (7th) said the property will be broken up into smaller parcels.
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016...ga-development
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^ I would love to see SOM's plan for South Works come to fruition, but in hindsight it just seems laughable.

Yes, it's a spectacular site, but it's surrounded in every direction by miles of neglected inner-city neighborhoods. For the kinds of upwardly-mobile citizens that make new development possible, South Works might as well be Outer Mongolia.

I would love to see the city purchase the yellow parcel (135 acres) and set it aside as a festival ground, like a more naturalistic version of Milwaukee's Henry Maier Park. Put in some basic infrastructure for bathrooms and drainage and power hookups for stages, and plant some fast-growing pine trees to provide shade and windbreaks. You could even terraform it with hills and a lagoon like a giant version of the Northerly Island project - the cost there was only about $10 million, pocket change compared to the balances of many TIF districts.

It would be perfect for Riot Fest, Spring Awakening, and other mid-sized festivals. Lolla is world-famous with a national draw and relies too much on the skyline backdrops and proximity to downtown hotels, but the mid-sized festivals draw mainly from the Chicago region. Plus, a series of annual festivals there would do a lot to bring the site into the consciousness of Chicagoans and set the stage for a new neighborhood there after 20-30 years if South Side growth picks up. If that starts to seem unrealistic, then the city can just continue to invest in the festival infrastructure.
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CMH Hospital Demo on Lincoln, 7/28


That 80's eyesore, just southwest of Lincoln and Sheffield, is no more. 7/28
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^ I would love to see SOM's plan for South Works come to fruition, but in hindsight it just seems laughable.

Yes, it's a spectacular site, but it's surrounded in every direction by miles of neglected inner-city neighborhoods. For the kinds of upwardly-mobile citizens that make new development possible, South Works might as well be Outer Mongolia.

I would love to see the city purchase the yellow parcel (135 acres) and set it aside as a festival ground, like a more naturalistic version of Milwaukee's Henry Maier Park. Put in some basic infrastructure for bathrooms and drainage and power hookups for stages, and plant some fast-growing pine trees to provide shade and windbreaks. You could even terraform it with hills and a lagoon like a giant version of the Northerly Island project - the cost there was only about $10 million, pocket change compared to the balances of many TIF districts.

It would be perfect for Riot Fest, Spring Awakening, and other mid-sized festivals. Lolla is world-famous with a national draw and relies too much on the skyline backdrops and proximity to downtown hotels, but the mid-sized festivals draw mainly from the Chicago region. Plus, a series of annual festivals there would do a lot to bring the site into the consciousness of Chicagoans and set the stage for a new neighborhood there after 20-30 years if South Side growth picks up. If that starts to seem unrealistic, then the city can just continue to invest in the festival infrastructure.
I think Chicago has ample festival grounds. It has ample skating rinks, space for circus tents, green lawns, and places where one can hang out.

It's time for density. The city needs people. It needs density. And apparently 50% of the city's land area is viewed as uninhabitable by those who have a disposable income, or those who come to the US from overseas. That's the problem. That has to change. The fact that there is zero interest in voluntary, private development of the US Southworks site on beautiful lakefront land speaks volumes as to the problems that still plague Chicago.

Hell, they can't even get a shitty suburban style shopping center (A.K.A. the bottom-feeders of real estate development) built there. This is some sad shit...
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I've stated it before on the dev of SouthWorks. It is the best, most logical and economically advantageous location for Casino's. I say more than one possibly 3. All owned by the city but managed by competing companies, Harrahs' Hard Rock, MGM. I dont care.

Create a destination where people can wander the slips like the riverwalk, Put in a high end as well as mid priced marina. Add some independent hotels and restaurants. Zone Rte 41 as neighborhood shops and residential (if the area will support any mid priced housing.) You will have to add some grocery shopping to be viable. Costco or Meiers would be assets to the neighborhood.

The theory is that Illinois is already losing that casino revenue to Gary, Hammond and Mich City. Southworks would be a much nicer venue and better location, closer to Illinois residents, and more likely to draw overnighters & weekend visitors than those Gawd awful locations in Indiana.

Yet its far enough away that it wont have all of the negative effect on Loop and Mich ave hotels and entertainment. And if some conventioneers find their way down there then more power to them, thank you for the donation.

Point being, why are we standing idle while Indiana collects casino revenue based on their proximity to Chicago. Over 20 shuttle buses per day run each way from Chinatown alone to Hammond. And another 15 each way from McMK Hyatt and 30+ more from various points in the city. https://www.caesars.com/horseshoe-ha...hotel/shuttles. Majestic Star runs 19 shuttles to China Town.

We are fools for letting this money leave the state. And SouthWorks has the capability of being so much better, cleaner, accessible venue with variety of shops and much better lakefront access. (rant off)

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Old Posted Aug 2, 2016, 1:50 PM
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^^^ That's because there is a massive glut of land down there. Let's not forget the whole reason we have the city we have to begin with: unbridled economic demand. We are seeing some serious job creation, but it is all concentrated in downtown and the surrounding hip areas. People are not going to move to a site 10 miles South of where their jobs are that has zero transit connections when they can get better housing options in a litany of closer neighborhoods. It's just not going to happen.

The reason the South Side has suffered like it has is the exact same reason why we have the USX site to begin with: the reason people lived down there to being with vacated. The jobs that once made Chicago's vast South Side an attractive place to live simply aren't there anymore. Unless we come up with a large scale program of attracting jobs to the vast area that is the South Side, there will never be a reason to develop Southworks or any of the other enormous post industrial tracts of land that litter the area. What's happening in Pullman with Ford and Method is a start, but too little too late.

Ultimately the only hope for the South Side is for what is happening downtown to grow to such enormous scales that there is simply no longer enough space on the North side of the city for everyone who wants access to these jobs. It's slowly happening and you can see sprouts of growth pushing West and South, but it will be an awfully long time before we are at a point where developing USX at all is logical. My vote is to just turn the damn thing into a nature preserve with some campsites and give people an amenity they don't really have right now. Chicago lacks true wilderness directly adjacent to it's urbanized core and having a few hundred acres along the lake within city limits would be a great start to reversing that issue.
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Seems like everyone has an idea on what should happen; perhaps it's a good thing the site is being broken up. Maybe we can get 4 different ideas turned into reality.

Let me throw another out there. A new, public research university would be ideal for one of the parcels.
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2016, 2:26 PM
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^^^ Or develop it as a suburban style office park in the city, try to lure big phrama and other users that are not pure office and need room for research facilities and other non conventional programs in from the burbs. That solves the jobs problem I outline above.
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^Well, we've already tried the university tech park idea three times (at UIC, Illinois Tech, and Northwestern). No results that anyone would notice.
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August 01, 2016
Cook County Health project also a big deal for developer

By Ryan Ori

'A proposed facility in the Illinois Medical District to expand the Cook County health system's outpatient footprint is a boon for a real estate company that moved its headquarters to Chicago three years ago.

Clayco will be paid almost $109 million to develop the nine-story, 282,000-square-foot Central Campus Health Center at 1950 W. Polk St., just south of John H. Stroger Jr. Hospital, pending regulatory approval of the project, said Clayco Chairman and CEO Bob Clark.

The fast-moving project is slated to kick off next spring and be completed by fall 2018...'

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/reale...eal-for-clayco

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http://www.claycorp.com/p/29606/cook...health-center/
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How much would it cost to move the last 2-3 stops on that Metra Electric branch into that area, perhaps cut-and-cover it under S. Lake Shore Drive south of 79th so that the entire South Works site was within 1/2 mile of a station, then run it express north of 71st with stops only at 55th and 18th Street until the Loop. They could start with runs every 30 minutes with an eye toward increasing it to as often as every 10 minutes as population grew. Two stops - 83rd and 87th - would move about 1/2 mile east, but if it curved back to near the existing 93rd terminal, there would only be two stations negatively affected while dramatically increasing access to the Loop and Hyde Park for the South Works site. The trip is currently about 33 minutes to VanBuren from 87th. If you got that trip time to 25 minutes and it was available every 20-30 minutes for 19 hours per day, you'd have a viable place. Make sure that area is safe, and relatively inexpensive new construction sited on the lakefront with reliable, consistent access to Hyde Park and downtown would really create a good value proposition. Add a Skyway exit at 94th/Harbor Drive and you'd also have excellent expressway access (even if it is a tollway). That would easily support Edgewater densities with similar amenities and similar access to the greater Loop area. I know that that piece of S Lake Shore drive is brand new so it would be kind of a waste to tear it up now, but it's also still lightly-used, so the inconvenience and related costs of cut-and-covering it now would be less than doing that later. You could also not cut-and-cover it and just lay tracks, but in the long run, for future dense development in South Works, cut-and-covering it in the center of that roadway would be best. There'd be about a mile of cut-and-cover so doing that would probably not cost much more than what is being spent on the 95th Red Line station rebuild. Almost certainly could be done for less than half a billion. That's a big investment, but if it really opened up development of South Works, it would likely pay off in the long run.

If in 40 years we had 30,000 new housing units (for a target density of 60,000 people per square mile), and, say, 5 million square feet of commercial space in that area that would be on the order of 30 million square feet of new construction. If property taxes were around $2 per square foot, that's an extra $60 million in new annual property taxes for an area that currently generates close to zero. And there'd also be new sales tax revenue and fees revenue, and there would definitely be spill-over value enhancement to the west and north, further adding value. We'd probably be looking at $100 million in new tax revenue in that area per year, meaning that if it took 40 years to get to that level, it'd still be close to $2 billion in new tax revenue in 2016 dollars from making those investments over a 50 year time span.

Hyde Park, Kenmore and Douglas would also be big winners because they'd be midway between the Loop and a new jobs center, further enhancing the South Lakefront overall. It would benefit everything east of 94 within city limits. If it worked, you might even get Amtrak to add a flag stop at 95th. The last three stations on the ME-South Chicago branch have about 700 AM daily boardings (about 100 of whom walk to the stations), with over 500 of those riders at 93rd, which would keep its current location. So fewer than about 100 riders per day would be inconvenienced by moving two ME stations 1/2 mile east to the South Works site - only about 122 of whom are walkers, and there would be, in the long run, probably the addition of thousands of new riders.

On UP North, there are nearly 3,400 daily riders on the UP-North line. I would think the two South Works stations could achieve that target and probably exceed it. If the two moved ones eventually reached a total of 4,000 daily riders, and 93rd increased from ~550 to 1,700, that stretch of ME would be serving nearly 5,000 new daily riders, plus the increased frequency would likely bump up ridership on the other stations it served. I think it wouldn't irrational to think that there would be 10,000 additional daily riders on that branch by the time South Works was built out if those changes were made, about $20 million per year in additional ticket sales (round-trip) for Metra. If that were operated under the CTA flag, ticket sales dollars might be lower, but it could become the actual "Gray Line".
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I've stated it before on the dev of SouthWorks. It is the best, most logical and economically advantageous location for Casino's.
I actually really like this idea, Southworks was never viable and won't be for generations, depending on the direction the city takes on investing in south side neighborhoods. Revive the Lake Calumet Airport and call it a day.

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I think Chicago has ample festival grounds. It has ample skating rinks, space for circus tents, green lawns, and places where one can hang out.

It's time for density. The city needs people. It needs density. And apparently 50% of the city's land area is viewed as uninhabitable by those who have a disposable income, or those who come to the US from overseas. That's the problem. That has to change. The fact that there is zero interest in voluntary, private development of the US Southworks site on beautiful lakefront land speaks volumes as to the problems that still plague Chicago.

Hell, they can't even get a shitty suburban style shopping center (A.K.A. the bottom-feeders of real estate development) built there. This is some sad shit...
if there was demand it would be getting built.
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I've stated it before on the dev of SouthWorks. It is the best, most logical and economically advantageous location for Casino's. I say more than one possibly 3. All owned by the city but managed by competing companies, Harrahs' Hard Rock, MGM. I dont care.

Create a destination where people can wander the slips like the riverwalk, Put in a high end as well as mid priced marina. Add some independent hotels and restaurants. Zone Rte 41 as neighborhood shops and residential (if the area will support any mid priced housing.) You will have to add some grocery shopping to be viable. Costco or Meiers would be assets to the neighborhood.

The theory is that Illinois is already losing that casino revenue to Gary, Hammond and Mich City. Southworks would be a much nicer venue and better location, closer to Illinois residents, and more likely to draw overnighters & weekend visitors than those Gawd awful locations in Indiana.

Yet its far enough away that it wont have all of the negative effect on Loop and Mich ave hotels and entertainment. And if some conventioneers find their way down there then more power to them, thank you for the donation.

Point being, why are we standing idle while Indiana collects casino revenue based on their proximity to Chicago. Over 20 shuttle buses per day run each way from Chinatown alone to Hammond. And another 15 each way from McMK Hyatt and 30+ more from various points in the city. https://www.caesars.com/horseshoe-ha...hotel/shuttles. Majestic Star runs 19 shuttles to China Town.

We are fools for letting this money leave the state. And SouthWorks has the capability of being so much better, cleaner, accessible venue with variety of shops and much better lakefront access. (rant off)
No thanks. Casinos come with way more negatives than positives. Studies have found that when a Casino moves in property values fall, foreclosures rise, violence rises, and communities within 10 miles of a casino have twice the rate of gambling addiction. Casino's also prey on lower income folks and increase income inequality. High income upper class individuals almost never make gambling a weekly habit. It's almost always low income folks who contribute the large share of their income to casino revenues.
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