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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 8:24 PM
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I never said we went to an after-hours Chinese restaurant for legally questionable booze. Where did THAT come from?

In case you don't want to read my previous post again, we had gone to a 24-hour Chinese restaurant AFTER we had gone clubbing, to get something to eat. I guess I should have mentioned that we were there to get something to eat.

Incidentally, after we reported the place to the health department, we got a follow-up call from the health department saying they were going to send an investigator during the restaurant's late night hours... and within a few weeks, we noticed the place was closed for a few weeks. We don't know if it was the result of our smoking complaint, or if they had other restaurant inspection issues. At that point in time (in the late 90s), LA County already had instituted the letter grade placard system for health inspections, so, it's possible that while the investigator was there, on top of the smoking going on, maybe he did a routine restaurant inspection too... which, by the way, are random and unannounced. And, those letter grades are what they got at the time of inspection; say a restaurant got a C grade, and then they made the corrections they needed to get an A grade, the C grade displayed will remain in place until the next inspection, which again, is unannounced and random (I think the state requires 2 random inspections per year). This is why restaurant owners at first didn't want the letter grades, because they said it would be bad for business. But if anything, it should be incentive for them to keep their restaurants in order, no?

In the case of a restaurant closing for too many health code violations, it can't reopen again until it's inspected again; and restaurant owners can request an inspection in that case.
Shoulda just gone to Dennys
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 8:30 PM
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Whoa, where is THIS coming from?

Apples and oranges much??

No, I wouldn't call the cops for people grilling in the park, or a young black girl selling water bottles outside a ballpark. Why would I do that? First of all, none of that is illegal, and 2nd of all, none of that smells like bad cigarette smoke.

I do find it a nuisance going to a supermarket and being accosted by girl scouts trying to sell me their shitty cookies, but that's just something I suck up and move on from.

And drunk Chinese food? WTF?? Haha! It's funny how some of you people assume going clubbing means leaving the club piss-ass drunk! When you eat dinner at 8pm, hang out a bit, go to the club at 10pm, have one or 2 drinks and then dance the rest of the time away, you're gonna get hungry, no?

Drunk food... putang ina!
You're not aware of the recent videos I was referencing....? How is that possible? The woman in Oakland who called the cops on some black people grilling in the park, and the woman who called the cops on the little girl selling water outside a game? Both were technically illegal. Based on your posts, it seems like you not only are ok with those behaviors and other minor nuisance issues being illegal, but actively engage in petty reporting yourself. If you don't see how these things can be unjustly used to target vulnerable groups, perhaps you're naive.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 8:40 PM
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I am unmoved in my opinion by this. You might as well ban car exhaust.
It's been proposed in SF:
https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...n-13440452.php
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 8:48 PM
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You're not aware of the recent videos I was referencing....? How is that possible? The woman in Oakland who called the cops on some black people grilling in the park, and the woman who called the cops on the little girl selling water outside a game? Both were technically illegal. Based on your posts, it seems like you not only are ok with those behaviors and other minor nuisance issues being illegal, but actively engage in petty reporting yourself. If you don't see how these things can be unjustly used to target vulnerable groups, perhaps you're naive.
I knew very well what incidents you were referencing, and was angry about them myself. Whether what they were doing was illegal is irrelevant in those situations; those people were reported to the cops because of racism. I would not have done that.

Are you saying that smokers are a vulnerable group?

And I didn't call out the smokers, I called out the restaurant owner/manager who was allowing them to smoke inside the restaurant by getting the health department involved. If anything, I had an issue with the restaurant manager, not the smokers; restaurants need to comply with health code laws, no?
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 8:50 PM
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Shoulda just gone to Dennys
Uhhh... nuh-uh (yuck).

Where we should have gone to is Ordoñez in Montebello, just a few miles down. It's a 24-hour Mexican restaurant. But we didn't know about it at the time.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 8:52 PM
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Yeah; from what I've read in another article, basically the LA County Board of Supervisors brought the laws of unincorporated LA County areas in line with the City of Los Angeles', by also including cannabis and e-cigarettes.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 9:13 PM
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Leaving plastic bags and bottles on a beach is much worse than leaving cigarette butts.

Also, it seems you would not enjoy Europe.
Leaving cigarette butts on a beach is just as bad as leaving plastic bags and bottles.

And I actually did enjoy Europe. Yeah, the cigarette smoke sucks, but it's not on the level of going into a casino in Vegas. Blech! Even apart from all the cigarette smoke, I'm not into Vegas at all.

One thing I found funny was that in a restaurant in London, I was asked if we wanted the non-smoking section. We said yes, and we were seated at a table that had a little sign on it that said "No Smoking," and there was another table with the same sign, but basically all the other tables around us didn't have the signs, and yes, there were people smoking at those tables. Haha! This was back in the mid-90s, though. I don't know what the smoking laws are like in London now.

I found some of the restaurants borderline unbearable because of cigarette smoke in my travels through Turkey, but I still loved that country. Would love to visit it again, it's been so many years.
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Old Posted Mar 27, 2019, 11:59 PM
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You're not aware of the recent videos I was referencing....? How is that possible? The woman in Oakland who called the cops on some black people grilling in the park, and the woman who called the cops on the little girl selling water outside a game? Both were technically illegal. Based on your posts, it seems like you not only are ok with those behaviors and other minor nuisance issues being illegal, but actively engage in petty reporting yourself. If you don't see how these things can be unjustly used to target vulnerable groups, perhaps you're naive.
I've come darned close now and then to calling not the cops but regional Air Quality Board on the Burger King up the street that spews smoke and grease from their grill into the air so you can smell cooking burgers 2 blocks away.
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How are they going to enforce this? It's one thing to ban smoking inside restaurants, but another thing to enforce it outside of buildings within a certain space, and in parking lots.
They won't. The police won't respond to thefts, vandalism, fraud for 4, 6, 8 hours, maybe even the following day -- unless their is bodily harm involved, then they're there within minutes.

Nobody is going to enforce this.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2019, 12:17 AM
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They won't. The police won't respond to thefts, vandalism, fraud for 4, 6, 8 hours, maybe even the following day -- unless their is bodily harm involved, then they're there within minutes.

Nobody is going to enforce this.
I once called them when I heard about 10 rounds popped off down on the corner my condo overlooks (but I couldn't see the pavement because of a tree in the way). They called me back 4 hours or so later and said they found the empty rounds but no bodies or blood.

4 hours ain't bad for what could have been a multiple shooting.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2019, 12:51 AM
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California doing what it does best, regulate the crap out of life.

No wonder people smoke weed and do drugs, because you kind of need to. Once you get your paycheck, and see all of those taxes, might as well take a hit. Once you see the mortgage payment, might as well lace that bong with some wet. Once you see that the government is doing nothing serious about fixing the housing crisis, yet spends more time enforcing muffler noise, might as well just get your belongings, and move to the People's Republic of NJ for some Freedom. Yes... NJ might be a little odd, but at least life isn't regulated to that extent!

Beautiful state, blessed with great weather, and an occasional wild fire... is ruined by terrible policies and a government that does nothing to alleviate costs.

Texas... now thats a state!

Its bureaucracy like this, along with much more, that often gives Cali that bad image. Instead of bs legislation, how about if the state puts the effort to fix the living conditions of folks. Possibly reduce costs, and create an environment for developers to build.

A POS house, with the square footage of a small car, should not cost 600-700k.

I feel bad for Californians.
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They won't. The police won't respond to thefts, vandalism, fraud for 4, 6, 8 hours, maybe even the following day -- unless their is bodily harm involved, then they're there within minutes.

Nobody is going to enforce this.
Exactly. I can see it relatively easy to enforce no smoking indoors: if the restaurant reeks of cigarette smoke, clearly the law isn't being enforced. But how do you keep people from smoking within 25 feet of a restaurant? Outfit patrol cars with tape measures and have them operate stings in the middle of a commercial street?
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Regulate the hell out of cigarette smoke. That, and no more spitoons on barroom floors.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2019, 3:01 AM
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They won't. The police won't respond to thefts, vandalism, fraud for 4, 6, 8 hours, maybe even the following day -- unless their is bodily harm involved, then they're there within minutes.

Nobody is going to enforce this.
I don't remember where you live (if you've ever mentioned it?), but it really depends on the jurisdiction. In South Pasadena, where I live, if you call the cops, they are ON IT. But it's a small city. When I got rear-ended in South Pas, after I called the police, they were there in literally a few minutes, interviewing me and the other driver, making a police report. When I got rear-ended in the city of Los Angeles, when I called the police, I was asked "Was anyone injured?" When I said no, I was then asked if the cars were operational, I said yes, and I was told that there was no reason for the police to come over, to just exchange insurance information and go on my way.

When my parents' neighbors were burglarized in the city of Cerritos (which does not have its own police department), an LA County sheriff's deputy was there within 15 minutes. A former co-worker of mine, who lives in Pasadena (a separate city from South Pasadena), told me that when you call the cops in Pasadena, they take forever to come to your house (however she defined forever), but where she lived, which was near the Altadena (an unincorporated community) border, if you call the sheriff's department, they come over a lot faster.

Again, if you get the health department involved, because really, this is a public health issue, I think they'll be on the business owners. Even apartment building owners. They have to be in compliance.
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California doing what it does best, regulate the crap out of life.

No wonder people smoke weed and do drugs, because you kind of need to. Once you get your paycheck, and see all of those taxes, might as well take a hit. Once you see the mortgage payment, might as well lace that bong with some wet. Once you see that the government is doing nothing serious about fixing the housing crisis, yet spends more time enforcing muffler noise, might as well just get your belongings, and move to the People's Republic of NJ for some Freedom. Yes... NJ might be a little odd, but at least life isn't regulated to that extent!

Beautiful state, blessed with great weather, and an occasional wild fire... is ruined by terrible policies and a government that does nothing to alleviate costs.

Texas... now thats a state!

Its bureaucracy like this, along with much more, that often gives Cali that bad image. Instead of bs legislation, how about if the state puts the effort to fix the living conditions of folks. Possibly reduce costs, and create an environment for developers to build.

A POS house, with the square footage of a small car, should not cost 600-700k.

I feel bad for Californians.
What are New Jersey's smoking laws like?

Oh wait, never mind: https://www.njspotlight.com/stories/...ust-days-away/
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I don't remember where you live (if you've ever mentioned it?), but it really depends on the jurisdiction. In South Pasadena, where I live, if you call the cops, they are ON IT.
In SF it kind of depends if Philz is open or closed, ya know. Because if you're in the middle of a coffee and pastry, nothing can interrupt.

But when it comes to smoking, given the small minority who still do it, peer pressure pretty much takes care of violators of the various bans. They are hugely outnumbered and non-smokers can be very aggressive:


https://www.cdc.gov/statesystem/cigaretteuseadult.html
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In SF it kind of depends if Philz is open or closed, ya know. Because if you're in the middle of a coffee and pastry, nothing can interrupt.

But when it comes to smoking, given the small minority who still do it, peer pressure pretty much takes care of violators of the various bans. They are hugely outnumbered and non-smokers can be very aggressive:


https://www.cdc.gov/statesystem/cigaretteuseadult.html
Ah, you're addicted to Philz as well? There's one next to my apartment, near my office and also one in Pasadena, where I conduct a lot of business.. In fact, in going there now
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Ah, you're addicted to Philz as well? There's one next to my apartment, near my office and also one in Pasadena, where I conduct a lot of business.. In fact, in going there now
Is Philz good? I have yet to try it; I'm not a big coffee drinker.
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Is Philz good? I have yet to try it; I'm not a big coffee drinker.
Philz is good but I use it personally because I can only drink decaf for medical reasons and they have 3 kinds of decaf (other places, you're lucky to get a "house" version). The "Ethiopian" decaf is my fave.

But I mentioned them because there's one 2 blocks from my home in SF and there's always a crowd of cops hanging out there--sometimes like 15 in a group standing around out front chatting. Crimes cannot interrupt a cop fest like that. In this case, one of the hottest drug markets in town is half a block down the street (there's a little alcove in the fencing around a construction site giving seclusion and 2 teller machines conveniently located for customers across the street). The cops at Philz never seem to bother them.
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