New York Supertalls

[Gantz]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Yes approval for anything, even if its a radio tower when its at 2000 ft or greater. They simply have to have a good reason (the developer) to build one, economic purpose, extensive studies, and go through the full process with the FAA, and if the conditions are right, they will accept. 2000 ft isn't necessary a max on what someone can build, but it does require more work on the developer's part.

I think what would be good if the mayor preemptively went to FAA and negotiated some kind of special exclusion zone for Manhattan island, that allows building above 2000ft without the developer going through FAA approval.

[hunser]

Originally Posted by chris08876

New project at East 37 street will be 700 feet and 65 floors.

Thread: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=216084

I can't believe it ... just when we got another height cut (450 Albee Sq), there comes along a new 200m+ project. This is crazy!!
Btw. the adress should be 8 East 37th Street.

Originally Posted by chris08876

I think a 600m is very realistic, and I'll tell you where I can see one going up, in Midtown East. Something multi-use, with large floor plates for the commercial aspect, a hotel, and a mix of residential could be the type of 600m that would happen in NY.

Two good options for something like this are Midtown East, and the lot for Hudson Yards Phase 2.

Yes, after all those monsters at 57th Street and 1Vandy a megatall is on the horizon. I say in 4 or 5 years we will see a serious megatall proposal.
And I concure, the location will either be Midtown East (which is gaining momentum) or the Hudson Yards.

[hunser]

111 Murray St confirmed 845'.

DOB

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Gantz

Was always under the impression that 300m is a supertall and 600m is a megatall.

You need FAA approval to construct megatalls in the United States.

A megatall is over 600m and you need permission to construct over 610m (2000 feet) in the US.

So you could still build a megatall just as long as it stays between 600-610 meters

[C.]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Yes approval for anything, even if its a radio tower when its at 2000 ft or greater. They simply have to have a good reason (the developer) to build one, economic purpose, extensive studies, and go through the full process with the FAA, and if the conditions are right, they will accept. 2000 ft isn't necessary a max on what someone can build, but it does require more work on the developer's part.

What's really going to wrap people's mind is the previous 2000ft provision in the federal register, imposed by the FAA to protect navigable airspace, was quietly relaxed and now reads as follows:

If you propose construction or alteration to an existing structure that exceeds 2,000 ft. in height above ground level (AGL), the FAA presumes it to be a hazard to air navigation that results in an inefficient use of airspace. You must include details explaining both why the proposal would not constitute a hazard to air navigation and why it would not cause an inefficient use of airspace.

The previous language:

The FAA presumption against construction of structures over a certain height is set forth in the FAA rules. A proposed structure or an alteration to an existing structure that exceeds 2,000 feet in height above the ground will be presumed to be a hazard to air navigation and to result in an inefficient utilization of airspace and the applicant has the burden of overcoming that presumption. Each notice submitted under the FAA rules proposing a structure in excess of 2,000 feet above ground must contain a detailed showing, directed to meeting this burden. Only in exceptional cases, where the FAA concludes that a clear and compelling showing has been made that it would not result in an inefficient utilization of the airspace and would not result in a hazard to air navigation, will a determination of no hazard be issued.

[hunser]

45 E.22nd (777') St is U/C!!

[hunser]

The mighty Manhattan skyline ...


Lower Manhattan in winter, NYC [2048x1365] by Anthony Quintano by pizzanaoengorda, on Flickr

[fleonzo]

Originally Posted by hunser

The mighty Manhattan skyline ...


Lower Manhattan in winter, NYC [2048x1365] by Anthony Quintano by pizzanaoengorda, on Flickr

My City truly becoming Gotham City!!

[hunser]

According to the latest DOB permits, 111W57 is now 1,424ft/434m.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=05

Building Height (ft.): 1424
Building Stories: 82
Dwelling Units: 60

[C.]

1424ft for only 60 units.

20 years from now we're probably going to have 100s of supertalls if this keeps up. Plenty of millionaires and billionaires in the world still without Manhattan real estate.

[chris08876]

With the new height, is 111 Murray Street still 62 floors?

[hunser]

Originally Posted by chris08876

With the new height, is 111 Murray Street still 62 floors?

DOB filing says 66: http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

[hunser]

# U.S. supertalls excluding NYC: 20
# supertalls in NYC: 34

So we have 34/54 ~ 0,63. Meaning that in the near future New York will account for 63% of America's supertalls.

[chris08876]

NYC has more supertalls proposed then all of the current ones in China. This being 300m completed. Once the ones u/c finish its a different story but its neat to know in the short term. Granted even if 20 of them are built, its still impressive for one city versus entire nations in terms of rankings. The United States as a whole is still doing very well in the rankings. Even if we are second, we are putting up a fight. The next nation behind us is UAE, but they are losing steam and have been for a while. It wasn't too long ago that they said after 9/11 that skyscrapers are dead. It seems that 14 years later, not just in NYC, but in every major city, towers are popping all over the place.

I do expect NYC to eclipse Dubai as the supertall capital. As a safe haven for capital, supertalls will be the norm as land is becoming ever so scarce and wealth continues to pour into this region.

Only four nations have more than 4 supertalls, and those are U.A.E, U.S., India, and China.

Even in a unprecedented global city boom, its still important to know that supertalls are still very, very rare when we look at it from a global standpoint.

In general though, if we simplify it, 250-299m is still a rarity globally. Certain nations build within this range like its going out of style, but out of the 160 plus countries, it still does not happen as frequently in many cities.

[Onn]

Originally Posted by chris08876

NYC has more supertalls proposed then all of the current ones in China. This being 300m completed. Once the ones u/c finish its a different story but its neat to know in the short term. Granted even if 20 of them are built, its still impressive for one city versus entire nations in terms of rankings. The United States as a whole is still doing very well in the rankings. Even if we are second, we are putting up a fight. The next nation behind us is UAE, but they are losing steam and have been for a while. It wasn't too long ago that they said after 9/11 that skyscrapers are dead. It seems that 14 years later, not just in NYC, but in every major city, towers are popping all over the place.

I do expect NYC to eclipse Dubai as the supertall capital. As a safe haven for capital, supertalls will be the norm as land is becoming ever so scarce and wealth continues to pour into this region.

Only four nations have more than 4 supertalls, and those are U.A.E, U.S., India, and China.

Even in a unprecedented global city boom, its still important to know that supertalls are still very, very rare when we look at it from a global standpoint.

In general though, if we simplify it, 250-299m is still a rarity globally. Certain nations build within this range like its going out of style, but out of the 160 plus countries, it still does not happen as frequently in many cities.

Don't expect all the supertalls currently on the docket for New York to be built. Eventually the glut of foreign money is the city will flow out again and with it some of the major residential projects (whether that's Hudson Yards or 57th street..) However the major projects seem safe right now. The office market is looking rosy too, more so than it has in a awhile. I expect there will be gains coming there that are not known today.

[hunser]

^ Most of the supertalls are already in prep or have a tenant. So I expect 80 - 90% of them to get built.

[chris08876]

Originally Posted by Onn

Don't expect all the supertalls currently on the docket for New York to be built. Eventually the glut of foreign money is the city will flow out again and with it some of the major residential projects (whether that's Hudson Yards or 57th street..) However the major projects seem safe right now. The office market is looking rosy too, more so than it has in a awhile. I expect there will be gains coming there that are not known today.

Of course. Best to play it safe and go with a lower limit, but as Hunser mentioned, many of them are good to go. Point being that even if we put the lower limit at 50% for sake of argument, its still an amazing feat. Also proposed as I mentioned. But overtime, Dubai will be eclipsed. If its 5 or 10 or 15 years from now, its bound to happen.

[hunser]

1 Manhattan West, 995', is U/C! Another supertall for New York.

EDIT: or maybe it's the site for 3 Manhattan West, it's a tough call ... will need to take a look at a map.

[chris08876]

Rethinking the Tall Building: Opportunities in the 21st Century Metropolis

• Video Link

Chicago, USA. Philip Oldfield, Assistant Professor of Architecture at Nottingham University, presents at a joint CTBUH/IIT Cloud Talk in Crown Hall on the Illinois Institute of Technology campus. His presentation covered the opportunities to make tall buildings more sustainable through some forward thinking skyscrapers and examples from his studios' work.

[hunser]

^ Interesting vid, thx for posting. I've added a couple of buildings on the front page which have a SSP thread.