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Old Posted May 25, 2013, 12:42 AM
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So is that a dual use ped/rail tunnel? Nifty
Half the tunnel is available for SMART rail, and the other half is now being used by pedestrians and bicyclists (in my own experience, far more cyclists than peds).
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Old Posted May 29, 2013, 5:34 PM
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New SMART project brochure:


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Petaluma Pete's SMART Train Video:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biw_JWSlsEU
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Old Posted May 30, 2013, 12:42 AM
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Did those DMUs go and get uglier on us?
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Old Posted May 30, 2013, 3:50 AM
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Anything I would say has already been said some time ago:http://systemicfailure.wordpress.com...-dollar-train/
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Wow, that train must be going a whopping 30 mph!
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2013, 12:49 AM
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Busy Bee, do you have anything to contribute other than to criticize SMART? The trains are expensive because SMART needed a FRA-complant DMU. Off the top of my head, only one other such vehicle exists and the company that made them no longer exists (Colorado Railcar, Portland's commuter rail line). So I think the trains look cool, certainly sexier than Portland's, and you are certainly welcome to disagree. Sure they're expensive, but our needs demanded a car that can share tracks with freight, so we had no choice but to "reinvent" such a DMU.

Btw zilfondel, the trains go 79 mph.
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I realized zilfondel you might be talking about the video. That footage is from before they started construction, which has been going on for many months. The trains will go 79 mph on the refurbished track. But yea, they're probably going 30 in the video
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Will SMART be mostly single tracked?
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I suppose the root of my frustration is with the FRA and the ill conceived crash worthiness reg's than with SMART who was forced to reinvent the wheel to get rolling stock that appeased the FRA. That money could have been put towards even better station facilities, electrification or operational budgets.
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2013, 4:40 AM
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I won't disagree with you there Busy Bee. I agree wholeheartedly

Fflint, yes. There will be some sections of passing track, but I'm not sure how many. I seem to recall seeing a diagram somewhere, maybe in the EIR but I can't remember.
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What sort of headway are they looking at for SMART?
30 minutes? An hour?
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What sort of headway are they looking at for SMART? 30 minutes? An hour?
Both! 30 minutes of so during rush hours, and hour or more at other times.
They'll be hard press to have shorter headways than every 20 minutes on a mostly single track line.
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Sacramento initially constructed a single-track light rail system and waited until increasing ridership--and funding--made double-tracking both desirable and feasible. It was a smart way to leverage the early funding and get a railroad up and running--today RT is all double-tracked and carries some 50,000 riders a day. I would imagine SMART will similarly add more and more trackage as the years pass.
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Not sure if this has been discussed here already, but it's news to me. I was looking into the feasibility of a bike path across Yerba Buena and the western span of the Bay Bridge and found these from 2011.

Bay Bridge Bike Lane May Be $550 Million Bike Lane To Nowhere
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1146310.html

And the project study here
http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/bay_b...n_12-13-11.pdf

Also the video about the earthquake safety of the new bridge at the bottom of the Huffington Post article is pretty interesting.
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I suppose the root of my frustration is with the FRA and the ill conceived crash worthiness reg's than with SMART who was forced to reinvent the wheel to get rolling stock that appeased the FRA. That money could have been put towards even better station facilities, electrification or operational budgets.
The FRA compliant Nippon Sharyo DMUs SMART ordered were much cheaper than all other offers, including other FRA compliant from other vendors and non-compliant DMUs from Stadler and Siemens.
The cars specifications call for seating of 78 passengers per car, storage for10 to 12 bicycles, overhead storage, permanent and folding tables, readinglights, Wi-Fi and a bathroom in one car and a snack bar in the other.

Here's the per unit prices the various vendors gave to provide nine specified three-car trains:
Sumitomo Corp. of America / Nippon Sharyo Inc. (FRA compliant) = $82.7 million
CAF USA Inc. of Spain (FRA compliant) = $136.7 million
Stadler Rail AG of Switzerland (Non-FRA compliant) = $124 million
U.S. Railcar of Columbus, Ohio = $131.5 million (FRA compliant).
German manufacturer Siemens submitted two proposals, $104.6 million (Non-FRA compliant) and $121.2 million (FRA compliant).

The Nippon Sharyo offer was 21% cheaper than the next cheapest DMU. SMART eventually saved even more money by ordering less than they listed in the proposal. Never-the-less, to suggest the non-FRA compliant trains would have been cheaper is completely false. Actually, by ordering these they have more money left over to spend on other goodies.

Data source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BATN/message/46578

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Old Posted Jul 4, 2013, 3:50 AM
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Thanks for the clarification electricron
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Not sure if this has been mentioned - SF Bay Bridge east span now officially delayed.

http://sfist.com/2013/07/08/bay_brid...to_be_disc.php
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Modesto Bee covered expansion of ACE into Merced possibly by 2022.

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ACE eyes fast track for extending service to Modesto

By J.N. Sbranti — jnsbranti@modbee.com

MODESTO — Hop aboard in downtown Modesto, kick back in comfort for two hours and arrive in the Silicon Valley in time for work.

It might not be a high-speed train, but it could be reality in five years. The Altamont Corridor Express — ACE commuter trains — wants to expand service to Modesto, Turlock and Merced.

ACE is trying to fast-track those plans, and it has lined up tax dollars to study its options and prepare the necessary environmental reports. A meeting to explain the proposal and hear concerns will be held July 24 in Modesto.


LORI MCADAM — Bee Graphic

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It seems to me that there would be greater ridership potential if ACE actually went straight to San Francisco (possibly via the Dumbarton Bridge), but financing and political will withstanding, I don't know how feasible it would be to do that.
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KTVU-2 reported on today's News at Noon that AC Transit's average ridership is up 6% year-over-year; the agency now carries a weekday average of 182,000 riders.
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