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Old Posted Jul 17, 2016, 2:19 PM
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I guess this is the challenge of building an urban-type district in suburban surroundings. It's meant to be walkable but you cannot easily reach it without a car. So you have to shed that vehicle somehow before you can walk in and enjoy the district in person on foot, but that's not always convenient. Traditional malls suffered the same problem.

I will say that IF the Domain manages to stay healthy and relevant 30 years from now(malls have a tragically short lifespan), then maybe the invention of self-driving cars will make all these problems disappear. Your robot car could just drop you off and you'd be freed to walk around the district and enjoy it in person. Automated traffic could be easily redirected or diverted to prevent congestion in certain areas.

It's still a big improvement over the traditional commercial areas in suburbs though. I think one day it could evolve into a kind of established and recognizable part of the city.

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I'm seriously pissed at the county and will gleefully vote to oust the current county commissioners, to the extent that's possible. I don't even know if I have a say in it. I just think it's petty and amateurish for the county to make such a demand on the virtual eve of the grand opening of the place. This comes on the heels of the county's irrational harassment of the wonderful concert venue on the river, Carson Creek Ranch. In my 60 years of existence, I can say with a fair amount of confidence that a majority of the most awesome human undertakings that I've been aware of have tended to happen on the fringes, outside of the codes and strictures of control-freak mainstream society. To quote myself in my youth, "fuck the establishment." It's easy to see why so many old hippies flipped parties and became libertarian Republicans, such as PJ O'Rourke, Ben Stein, and many others. I'm still holding on to my unlikely identification as a "libertarian socialist." It's not as much of a contradiction as it seems. It's the idea of having socialist values and ideals, with an understanding that the best way to get from here to there is via the free market. It hasn't been tried yet, although China has occasionally implemented a few of my ideas, albeit in their usual top-down authoritarian way.
I think before I made a judgment I'd need to know more specifics.

If the surf park is functionally like a giant swimming pool with recirculated treated water, it should be subject to the kind of inspections that pools get. If not, what happens if there was a huge outbreak of an illness or chemical leak due to maltreated water?

Maybe you'd agree that this is a matter of consumer consent and the ability for someone to make a informed choice about their safety. Visitors to a water park lack the ability to know if the water quality is satisfactory. Also as a private business it may have a perverse incentive to not treat the water to save money, which could put people in harms way. When you swim in a river or a beach, you understand it is natural in origin and you make a choice. We do have government that allows us to make an informed choice, e.g. however is responsible for flying beach flags.
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This is a screen shot from the surf park article published 7/11 e-paper AAS that makes me side with tech house on this matter. I'm far too ignorant on the matter to offer any defense to the cause of opening the park but....I find that requiring the same standards of filtration, complete water cycle in 6 hours unachievable and unreasonable to require unless there's compromise by the commissioner's office, which by their really snarky, bullshit speeding ticket analogy, they won't, so it may be a while before this park opens, if ever. It pisses me off the way they are flexing their muscles against this high exposure enterprise and so late in the game. I'm all about entities designed to protect the public, but this has a slight stink of arrogance mixed in with it. My only concern with the surf park itself is how they believe they can maintain the water level with rain water alone. But....I'm sure they factored in the extended periods of 90 degree plus temperatures with the extended periods of no rain and the agitation of the water with the man made waves blown into by regular hot southern winds, while calculating the evaporation rate and replenishment requirements, right? Can't help thinking that there might have been some slick Willie salemanship involved here to get by any anti water park opposition. Surely they will need to use a water source other than collected rain water eventually. And don't call them Shirley.
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This is a screen shot from the surf park article published 7/11 e-paper AAS that makes me side with tech house on this matter. I'm far too ignorant on the matter to offer any defense to the cause of opening the park but....I find that requiring the same standards of filtration, complete water cycle in 6 hours unachievable and unreasonable to require unless there's compromise by the commissioner's office, which by their really snarky, bullshit speeding ticket analogy, they won't, so it may be a while before this park opens, if ever. It pisses me off the way they are flexing their muscles against this high exposure enterprise and so late in the game. I'm all about entities designed to protect the public, but this has a slight stink of arrogance mixed in with it. My only concern with the surf park itself is how they believe they can maintain the water level with rain water alone. But....I'm sure they factored in the extended periods of 90 degree plus temperatures with the extended periods of no rain and the agitation of the water with the man made waves blown into by regular hot southern winds, while calculating the evaporation rate and replenishment requirements, right? Can't help thinking that there might have been some slick Willie salemanship involved here to get by any anti water park opposition. Surely they will need to use a water source other than collected rain water eventually. And don't call them Shirley.
Here's the Nland pool.

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/ne...county.html#g3

Here's one of the other

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Qu...723055!6m1!1e1


https://www.google.com/maps/place/Qu...723055!6m1!1e1


The other parks don't require pool permits because they're not pools.

They're ponds/lakes. They may be constructed, but they're in a natural condition. Plants are growing in them, and presumably frogs, fish, etc.
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I'm far too ignorant on the matter to offer any defense to the cause of opening the park but....I find that requiring the same standards of filtration, complete water cycle in 6 hours unachievable and unreasonable to require unless there's compromise by the commissioner's office, which by their really snarky, bullshit speeding ticket analogy, they won't, so it may be a while before this park opens, if ever. It pisses me off the way they are flexing their muscles against this high exposure enterprise and so late in the game. I'm all about entities designed to protect the public, but this has a slight stink of arrogance mixed in with it. My only concern with the surf park itself is how they believe they can maintain the water level with rain water alone. But....I'm sure they factored in the extended periods of 90 degree plus temperatures with the extended periods of no rain and the agitation of the water with the man made waves blown into by regular hot southern winds, while calculating the evaporation rate and replenishment requirements, right? Can't help thinking that there might have been some slick Willie salemanship involved here to get by any anti water park opposition. Surely they will need to use a water source other than collected rain water eventually. And don't call them Shirley.
I'm also too ignorant to be spouting off about it, but I agree with what you said about the county "flexing their muscles" and the snarky, arrogant vibe about this last-minute attempt to thwart a project that has been in the works for over a year. If it's so important to have that kind of gov't oversight then why wasn't TC involved from the beginning of the process? Their timing is malevolent. Even if the county didn't know exactly what they were going to ask of N'land, why wouldn't someone from TC put in a phone call or pay N'land a visit to talk it over? It's like if my neighbor told me exactly what type of house he was going to build, and I just kick back and watch him build it, and then file a lawsuit against him for blocking my view or being too close to the property line, waiting until it's almost finished. There's nothing justifiable about that type of behavior, and if all of us on this forum have been aware of N'land for so long, surely TC officials were likewise aware. They're just being cruel, they're bullies, they're waiting for a kid to finish building a sand castle so that they can kick it to smithereens.

N'land's "pool" is quite unique and it doesn't correlate with the type of pool for which the county initially developed its rules, so there will need to be some kind of analysis performed that takes into account the unusual parameters involved in N'land's wave pools. My hunch is that the size and turbulence of their pools will help to prevent the types of problems that the rules are designed to prevent. Also, I'd guess that the number of people in the water at any given time will be much lower than for any other pools, relative to the size of the pool. On the other hand, maybe there will be unique problems associated with N'land, and I'm not advocating that the county just ignore public safety, but they didn't need to file a lawsuit as their method of saying "hello."

Opposing opinions always welcome! I prefer to be called out on faulty thought processes before I get too attached to any particular POV. Until such time as my reasoning on N'land v. Travis County is called into question, I remain pissed at Travis County. And again, I'm tossing Carson Creek Ranch into the mix, because I think it's a similar type of process that probably involves some of the same characters on the side of TC. I can think of one argument on the side of TC, which is that N'land's developers should have known better than to expect that they could just buy a piece of land and do something so unprecedented without any form of gov't oversight. Lack of communication on the part of both parties, that's the upshot of this, though maybe N'land had gone through enough permit processes to have assumed that they had a green light from all relevant entities to proceed as planned.

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the snarky, arrogant vibe about this last-minute attempt to thwart a project that has been in the works for over a year. If it's so important to have that kind of gov't oversight then why wasn't TC involved from the beginning of the process? Their timing is malevolent. Even if the county didn't know exactly what they were going to ask of N'land, why wouldn't someone from TC put in a phone call or pay N'land a visit to talk it over? It's like if my neighbor told me exactly what type of house he was going to build, and I just kick back and watch him build it, and then file a lawsuit against him for blocking my view or being too close to the property line, waiting until it's almost finished. There's nothing justifiable about that type of behavior, and if all of us on this forum have been aware of N'land for so long, surely TC officials were likewise aware. They're just being cruel, they're bullies, they're waiting for a kid to finish building a sand castle so that they can kick it to smithereens. .
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but they didn't need to file a lawsuit as their method of saying "hello.".
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though maybe N'land had gone through enough permit processes to have assumed that they had a green light from all relevant entities to proceed as planned.
The county claims they've been telling nland for years that they need a permit, and they've basically been blowing them off and trying to present the whole thing as fait accompli

"“The developer has not yet applied for the necessary permits (much less been granted a variance) under state law,” the statement continues, noting discussions with the developer began at least two years ago."

http://kxan.com/2016/07/14/concerns-...tin-surf-park/
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The county claims they've been telling nland for years that they need a permit, and they've basically been blowing them off and trying to present the whole thing as fait accompli

"“The developer has not yet applied for the necessary permits (much less been granted a variance) under state law,” the statement continues, noting discussions with the developer began at least two years ago."

http://kxan.com/2016/07/14/concerns-...tin-surf-park/
Thank you, that was most informative, and serves to highlight my aforementioned ignorance.
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Georgetown's Sheraton Convention Hotel opened recently.

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Not a bad looking building. I like Georgetown, especially during the winter holidays. It has a distinctive downtown, unlike Round Rock. It also has some decent restaurants. I can see people staying at this hotel and spending sometime milling around dt. I'm going to shoot up there next week and maybe take some pics.
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Not a bad looking building.
Finally, an opportunity to disagree with you. It's hideous. That's not just my opinion, it's a fact! Here's a reference to a reliable source of unbiased information on the subject: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=1#post7516944

Hey, it works for Trump, so I thought I'd use his technique for generating new facts.

As for Georgetown itself, yes, gorgeous little downtown, so I'm especially disheartened to see this bland box plopped anywhere near that area. This belongs in Round Rock or Plano or Simi Valley or...
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Finally, an opportunity to disagree with you. It's hideous. That's not just my opinion, it's a fact! Here's a reference to a reliable source of unbiased information on the subject: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=1#post7516944

Hey, it works for Trump, so I thought I'd use his technique for generating new facts.

As for Georgetown itself, yes, gorgeous little downtown, so I'm especially disheartened to see this bland box plopped anywhere near that area. This belongs in Round Rock or Plano or Simi Valley or...
Or you could just ignore facts like the DNC.
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Finally, an opportunity to disagree with you. It's hideous. That's not just my opinion, it's a fact! Here's a reference to a reliable source of unbiased information on the subject: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=1#post7516944

Clever!


Another opportunity to disagree with me...I'm voting Trump.


As for Georgetown itself, yes, gorgeous little downtown, so I'm especially disheartened to see this bland box plopped anywhere near that area. This belongs in Round Rock or Plano or Simi Valley or...
And yet another opportunity...I don't hate the Willamson County jail bldg, just its location.



They plopped this beauty on the northern edge of downtown. Its a little simular, but the guests get free meals 3x per day and also get to stay for free.

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Or you could just ignore facts like the DNC.
Well if you want to disregard reality and actual substance
then the DNC isn't your cup of ☕

But back on topic...

I've wondered why smaller towns don't do more to guide how hotels look when they are in the design process? Surely they wouldn't want a bland or ugly building that will have visual inpact. Why not push for quality to keep with the charm of the town. Maybe it's simply they don't have the financial capacity to influence developers into building good architecture.
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There was a link I posted a while back about some planned development in Marble Falls, including a conference/convention center, potential hotel sites, and building up the south part of "downtown" leading up to Lake Marble Falls. I think they did a great job with it, but we'll see if the plan comes into fruition. Downtown Georgetown is great, in my opinion, but I've admittedly not spent a huge amount of time there.
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I didn't intend to start political bickering. I made the remark about Trump because he regularly makes off-the-cuff statements and later refers back to them as his original source. Just watch late-night comedy shows, they're doing an excellent job of tracking Trump's insanity.
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I didn't intend to start political bickering. I made the remark about Trump because he regularly makes off-the-cuff statements and later refers back to them as his original source. Just watch late-night comedy shows, they're doing an excellent job of tracking Trump's insanity.
I know. Just trying to even it out a bit.
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^ Speaking of late-night comedy, that reminds me of Triumph the insult dog.


....so.....speaking of various developments in the greater Austin area...
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Finally, an opportunity to disagree with you. It's hideous. That's not just my opinion, it's a fact! Here's a reference to a reliable source of unbiased information on the subject: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...=1#post7516944

As for Georgetown itself, yes, gorgeous little downtown, so I'm especially disheartened to see this bland box plopped anywhere near that area. This belongs in Round Rock or Plano or Simi Valley or...
Maybe we can call it the Kalahari syndrome . . . ?

In size it's really only the equivalent of a Holiday Inn Express (200+ guestrooms) functions mostly as a place for SWU to hold seminars, a place for the prom to happen, and class reunions in the summer. Also the Chamber will hold its networking luncheons there.

That Sheraton's really the minimum viable product for the Georgetown market. Just like a Holiday Inn Express it's still your basic hotel-in-a-box -- it's got just enough design smarts to 1) seem new and impart a bit of "modernity" to Georgetown, and 2) will last through a couple of refresh cycles until it feels stale and dated. It fulfills a necessary function but is still a bit like getting a new Whataburger out by the freeway.
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Marble Falls set to OK $6.5M bond for hotel/conference center

http://www.dailytrib.com/2016/08/08/...erence-center/
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MARBLE FALLS — A hotel/conference center to be located adjacent to Lakeside Park is expected to get its first monetary boost toward construction in the form of a $6.5 million bond, according to Marble Falls officials.
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An operator for the hotel, a potential well-known chain, is expected to be named in about two weeks.

Officials estimate an April 2017 groundbreaking.
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http://www.dailytrib.com/wp-content/...ncept-plan.jpg


This could be a pretty neat addition to downtown Marble Falls. The article speaks of the potential of lots of new jobs. This could also influence more development in the downtown area.
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