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Miami megamall is biggest in US — but don't call it a mall



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Developers are proposing a massive 6 million-square-foot (557,000 square-meter) project on the edge of the Everglades in bustling South Florida that would dwarf any other shopping mecca in North America, including Minnesota's Mall of America.

Miami-Dade County officials could vote this fall to approve it, despite some criticism that it will worsen the region's already choking traffic problem and might produce mostly low-paying jobs. In general, malls across the U.S. have been in a slow decline as shoppers flock to the internet.

Don Ghermezian, president of developer Triple Five Worldwide Group of Edmonton, Canada — which also built Mall of America — said this is not your father's shopping mall. In addition to millions of square feet of retail, the project would include an indoor ski slope, a water park, a submarine ride attraction, a skating rink, 2,000 hotel rooms, theaters, a performing arts center and places to eat and drink.

The idea, Ghermezian said at a recent public hearing, is to give millions of residents and tourists in the Miami area a family-friendly alternative to Orlando attractions such as Disney World and Universal.

"We are not mall developers. That's not what we're trying to build," he said. "A lot of it is 'retail-tainment.' What we're trying to create is an economic engine."

Miami has trendy South Beach and miles of sunny beaches, the vibrant Wynwood arts district and the Everglades for nature lovers but has never had a major attraction like other Florida cities. There's the Seaquarium with its 50-year-old orca, Lolita, and places such as Jungle Island, the zoo and Monkey Jungle. Yet no large theme parks have ever located here.

Triple Five predicts American Dream would draw 300,000 visitors a day and create about 14,500 permanent jobs. Politicians are lining up in support.
"World class cities have world class facilities," said Dennis Moss, a Miami-Dade County commissioner. "All of the great things that we have going in this community, a huge disadvantage is we don't have a lot of family entertainment and amusement activities. This is a game-changer."


Local resident Stuart Bloomberg said at the recent hearing that Miami needs something just like that.

"I am tired of hearing everybody say there's nothing south of I-4," Bloomberg said of the interstate the runs through Orlando. "It's about time Miami-Dade participated. Let's not blow it this time."

South Florida's existing malls, including the region's top tourist attraction Sawgrass Mills, are watching nervously. They say they are not opposed to American Dream but would not favor any public tax dollars going to subsidize it. So far, no public money is financing the project.
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All the jobs it will product
Is anyone concerned about the jobs it will take away

The Seminoles and Disney teamed up together to defeat Gentling in Miami
What do you think when the interests of Turnberry and Simon get together to kill this?

Do you really think there is room for 3 of top 10 malls in the country to co-exist within 20 miles of each other?

The county should be exploring education, tech and sciences to keep people from fleeing the brain drain of south florida. That would enourage higher paying jobs as opposed to becoming another stop for the cruise ship rivera. This only establishes the local populace as clown and trained animals in a circus.
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American Dream Approved By Planning Board, Including 50-Story Tower

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Miami is one step closer to getting the biggest mall in America, American Dream Miami.

Yesterday, Miami-Dade’s Planning Advisory Board voted 11-1 to recommend approval. The final step is approval of the County Commission, scheduled for a vote in May 17.

In April, developer Triple Five submitted an initial development plan that reveals just how massive the project is. It will include:

3.5 million square feet of retail (more than any other American mall)
1.5 million square feet of entertainment
1.2 million square feet back-of-house
2,000 hotel rooms

Three structures on the property will rise 500 feet, which is roughly the equivalent of 50 stories. The hotel tower, a Ferris wheel, and an indoor ski slope all will rise to that height.
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Awesome! When they will start construction? When they will be final approval from Miami-Dade County Commissioner?
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All the jobs it will product
Is anyone concerned about the jobs it will take away

The Seminoles and Disney teamed up together to defeat Gentling in Miami
What do you think when the interests of Turnberry and Simon get together to kill this?

Do you really think there is room for 3 of top 10 malls in the country to co-exist within 20 miles of each other?

The county should be exploring education, tech and sciences to keep people from fleeing the brain drain of south florida. That would enourage higher paying jobs as opposed to becoming another stop for the cruise ship rivera. This only establishes the local populace as clown and trained animals in a circus.
its just a mall. People like fancy nice malls.
Gentling in Miami will still happen in 2-4 years
2000 hotel rooms ? Wow any pictures?
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Awesome! When they will start construction? When they will be final approval from Miami-Dade County Commissioner?
Today is the date for the vote.
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Miami-Dade approved it. What a cluster this is going to be. Retail is dying and the turnpike can’t even handle the current traffic much less the increase from this. There will have to be MAJOR infrastructure changes before this opens
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Miami-Dade approved it. What a cluster this is going to be. Retail is dying and the turnpike can’t even handle the current traffic much less the increase from this. There will have to be MAJOR infrastructure changes before this opens
Here's the link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...211306649.html

You can read the newspaper. Enjoy!
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Great to see it approved!
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>Building a megamall in 2018

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It's not just a mall, it's an amusement park for children.

Now, when I come to Miami I'd rather walk around downtown than go to this infantile place. Why on earth don't you make downtown nice?

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It's not just a mall, it's an amusement park for children.

Now, when I come to Miami I'd rather walk around downtown than go to this infantile place. Why on earth don't you make downtown nice?
the new downtown Miami train station opened Saturday 19th
its also a shopping center.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_LIV
when this happens with everything else building downtown very stylish nice
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Old Posted May 20, 2018, 5:21 AM
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Miami-Dade approved it. What a cluster this is going to be. Retail is dying and the turnpike can’t even handle the current traffic much less the increase from this. There will have to be MAJOR infrastructure changes before this opens
the turnpike is fine, HAVE you been on i95 in Dade that's the real problem
also mall is 175 acres What is the plus 300 acres to the south??
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American Dream Is Flipping To More Entertainment, Less Retail

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he massive American Dream Miami project won final approval from the Miami-Dade commission last week – and it’s now looking like more of a theme park than a mall.

The $4b project will now have a much larger entertainment component than originally planned, with the amount of retail space reduced, according to the WSJ.

Originally, the proposal included 3.5 million square feet of retail, with 1.5 million square feet of entertainment. Now, the developer will likely do the opposite, an attorney for the developer said.

Entertainment features are expected to include an indoor ski slope, ice climbing wall, waterpark, and submarine lake. There will also be 2,000 hotel rooms.

30 million annual visitors are expected.
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the turnpike is fine, HAVE you been on i95 in Dade that's the real problem
also mall is 175 acres What is the plus 300 acres to the south??
There is correct. I-95 is so horrible. Too much traffic. You must avoid I-95. You can take Tri-Rail to downtown Miami or Brightline. Just in case. Leave your car at home.
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INFRASTRUCTURE WORK FOR AMERICA’S BIGGEST MALL ABOUT TO BEGIN IN MIAMI

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An interchange needed for America’s biggest mall will begin construction shortly, with bids from contractors said to have been due earlier this week, according to Miami Today.

Construction will begin shortly after bids are received, a representative said.

Developer Triple Five plans to spend $220 million alone just on roadway and highway changes required for the project.

The mall cannot open until a Turnpike interchange is completed, expected in 2025, the developer’s attorney said. Site plan approval isn’t even on the agenda for the developer until 2020 since infrastructure work will take so long.

Utilities work is also now in design, with construction expected soon at a cost of $7 million. Completion is expected in two years, with the developer covering costs.

American Dream Miami is expected to eventually become the biggest mall in America upon completion, with retail, dining and entertainment. Total cost is estimated at $4.5 billion to $5 billion.

In total, the project will include 7.2 million square feet with towers as tall as 50 stories. It will also have restaurants, the world’s largest indoor ski slope, a walk-through aquarium, a skating rink, an ice-climbing wall, live theater venues for Russian ballet and Chinese acrobats and 2,000 hotel rooms.
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Triple Five Worldwide gets American Dream Mall on road



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Canadian developer Triple Five Worldwide says it is on schedule as highway bids due this month will eventually lead to its American Dream Mall. The project is moving steadily after receiving county approval last spring, representatives say.

Triple Five Worldwide is looking to construct the largest mall in the US between Florida’s Turnpike Extension, Interstate 75 and Miami Gardens Drive. Plans are moving since the company first expressed interest three years ago. The project is estimated at $4.5 billion to $5 billion, ultimately producing a mall with retail, dining, and entertainment in 5 million square feet of space.

Triple Five Worldwide says it and other stakeholders are moving forward on the infrastructure changes coming to Interstate 75. The company says it plans to invest $220 million in roadway and highway changes.

Miguel Diaz de la Portilla, a Saul Ewing Arnstein and Lehr attorney who represents Triple Five Worldwide, told Miami Today that the past year has been focused on infrastructure changes.

He said, “There is a massive amount of infrastructure that needs to be placed before we can open American Dream.”

His team coordinated right-of-way agreements with the county, City of Hialeah, Florida’s Turnpike Enterprise, Florida Department of Transportation and private property owners near the site. Bids for construction of the interchange of Interstate 75 and Northwest 170th Street went out after

agreements were in place, and are expected June 25. Construction is to begin on the interchange soon after selection of the contractor, Mr. Diaz de la Portilla said.

Mr. Diaz de la Portilla said, “That is one of the critical pieces of transportation infrastructure, if not the most critical piece of transportation infrastructure that is needed for the project.”

Other components to Interstate 75 are moving along in the meantime. Mr. Diaz de la Portilla says other interchange modifications, such as at I-75 and Miami Gardens Drive and I-75 and 180th Street, are in the works. His team has been prioritizing highway changes since receiving county approval in May 2018.

He said, “The project can’t move forward unless the infrastructure is placed first, particularly transportation infrastructure.”


The sooner the roadway and highway changes are complete the closer Triple Five Worldwide will get to debuting American Dream Mall, he said. “The opening date has always been tied from day one to the turnpike interchange. In fact, in our development agreement, we can’t open until the turnpike interchange is operational and the road infrastructure is in place.”

Other components related to highway modifications are also moving forward.

Lourdes Gomez, deputy director for the county’s Department of Regulatory Economic Resources, says her team is overseeing two permits at this time. The first relates to the Division of Environmental Resources Management (DERM) permitting process needed for plans to widen the turnpike.

“There’s a big project going on in terms of the turnpike,” Ms. Gomez said. “It’s not just the interchange. It’s a large swath of the turnpike that is being widened. In order to do that, one of the approvals that they needed was from our Division of Environmental ResourcesManagement.”

The permit will allow a wider highway near county canals. Two of three of these permits have been approved and the third is expected in the coming week, she said.

The other permit in progress focuses on the interchange on Northwest 170th Street.

“It has to do with conveying property to the turnpike that they need because it is impacting the footprint,” Ms. Gomez said. “They call it a limited access, but it’s basically the footprint of the interchange that they are constructing.”

The county’s Water and Sewer Department, meanwhile, is moving forward with its design plans for the necessary sewer lines needed in the area regardless of Triple Five not submitting its site plan or plat. Department Deputy Director Douglas Yoder will oversee the 24-inch line that will connect I-75, Northwest 170th Street and 97th Avenue to the existing system.
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Awesome!! Please share a construction photos for me.
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FIRST RETAIL SHOP AT AMERICAN DREAM MIAMI REVEALED: IT’SUGAR ‘CANDY DEPARTMENT STORE’



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The biggest mall ever built in America will soon begin construction in Miami, and one retailer has revealed that they have plans to open a store there.

It is the first retailer known to have plans for a store there.

IT’SUGAR will open a “candy department store” at American Dream Miami “if and when” the mall opens, the CEO of the candy retailer told the SFBJ.

IT’SUGAR will open a similar store on October 23 at the American Dream mall opening near New York, in East Rutherford, NJ.

It will be the world’s largest non-producing candy store.

The massive NJ store will span three stories and 22,000 square feet, with a 60-foot replica of the Statue of Liberty that can be seen from every level. Instead of a torch, the statue will hold a lollipop.

The first floor will have a pick-and-mix area with 500 options. On the second floor will be merchandise and candy, and a cafe will be on the third floor.

The store will become a destination in itself, able to draw people who come just to see the store, the CEO said.

American Dream Miami will be bigger than the one in New Jersey. The Miami version will include retail and entertainment components, including resort hotels, amusement parks, and an indoor ski facility.

Site work for the mall was expected to begin earlier this summer, an attorney for the developer said, according to a June report. Completion of infrastructure needed to open the complex wasn’t expected until 2025, he said at the time (the SFBJ article says opening could be in 2023).
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Finally!! Groundbreaking in 2021. They will start construction for next year.

https://news.yahoo.com/land-swap-bri...110000211.html

https://news.yahoo.com/terra-buys-70...093000561.html
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Finally!! Groundbreaking in 2021. They will start construction for next year.

https://news.yahoo.com/land-swap-bri...110000211.html

https://news.yahoo.com/terra-buys-70...093000561.html
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Finally! I've got a news for you. American Dream Mall in Miami. Groundbreaking in 2021.

Let's do it!
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Triple Five Faces Big Covid-19 Woes, but Analysts Say Don’t Write It Off
By Esther Fung
July 14, 2020 8:00 am ET

With Covid-19 keeping millions of consumers out of malls and shopping centers, much of the news about Triple Five Group, one of the largest private retail real-estate owners in North America, has been grim.

As of June, Mall of America is 60 days delinquent on its $1.4 billion mortgage and is negotiating with a special servicer for new terms, according to real-estate data firm Trepp LLC. The long-delayed American Dream project, which barely started opening when the pandemic hit, has at least $2.8 billion in debt, much of it borrowed in 2017.

But some retail experts say it is too early to count out the Canada-based company, which faces problems with Mall of America in Bloomington, Minn., and American Dream in East Rutherford, N.J., the country’s most expensive mall development.

Triple Five has in its favor the reluctance of creditors to foreclose on challenged properties, especially those being managed by leading operators with decades of experience. The controlling Ghermezian family is known for its charm and success at blending shopping with theme parks, aquariums and other forms of entertainment . . . .

. . . a Triple Five spokesperson declined last week to comment on the Mall of America debt but acknowledged that the company is facing “financial challenges due to Covid-19.”

Mall of America, one of the country’s largest with 3 million square feet, was temporarily closed in mid-March, and some tenants have withheld rents because of the mandated closures. It was to reopen on June 1, but the Memorial Day killing of George Floyd while in Minneapolis police custody and the ensuing protests pushed the date to June 10.

As for the American Dream, the enclosed 3-million square foot mall development was already a challenge for Triple Five in the years leading up to the pandemic . . . . [and it] announced that it would close on March 16 because of the pandemic.

Since then there has been more pain. Vitamin seller GNC Holdings Inc. filed for bankruptcy last month, announcing up to 1,200 store closures including one in American Dream. Last month, American Dream sued a Korean restaurant owner for breach of contract, alleging that the tenant had refused to construct and open its premises according to the lease.

. . . Starwood Property Trust, one of the [mall's] construction loan creditors, declined to comment . . . .
https://www.wsj.com/articles/triple-...ff-11594728002

One wonders who's going to provide construction financing for a new project to this company. I wouldn't put a lot of faith in any timing right now. It surely depends on the virus and the economy, both of which are almost unknowables even 12 months from now. Sounds to me like this announcement is mostly PR (and maybe an attempt to get the governments involved to move on the infrastructure improvements which have to be finished before the mall is).
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