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Old Posted Nov 13, 2014, 1:09 AM
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None of this has changed. If anything, things have gotten worse if the barometer is some evident and newly-found respect for women. Every Earls, Boa, Moxie's, Greenroom, Opera - you name it - is designed solely to accommodate the same acceptable level of sexism that's always existed. Just because the internet has allowed for nearly everybody who's easily offended to have an outlet doesn't mean that anything has changed. Nobody needs MTV anymore. All you have to do is go to your local suburban dining establishment where the servers are all dressed in tiny black shirts with their tits pushed up where rubbing them up against the back of some 50 year old drunk in exchange for tips is encouraged.

These bars people think are replacing the old suburban bar are not less hostile environments because they're downtown. They just happen to be the cool clubs at the moment. The same things that have been happening at clubs for 50 years are still happening. The enlightenment has not yet occurred....
Ah, Simplicity. Always the optimist.

I'm not arguing that we're all suddenly enlightened--that's patently untrue. But people are taking this stuff more and more seriously, and after the (totally unsurprising) Jian Ghomeshi revelations I feel as though we've reached a tipping point where the kind of awareness that will eventually lead to enlightenment is eminent, if not mainstream.

I'm not even trying to argue that a culture shift is entirely the reason for the decline of clubbing--the fact that there's effectively no such thing as pop music any more is probably as much or more to blame--but to the points you make, we're talking about what 18-20 year olds do here. That most 50 year old men are still sexist pigs isn't reflective of what younger people are like. And while I want to be clear that the scenario in many restaurants is anything but empowering to women, at least the women are doing that to make a buck, not just having immature hardons thrust towards them. There is a difference there, even if it's a hollow one and anything but a triumph for feminism.


This is where Riverman can chime in that these restaurants exist because the market dictates it and that's all there is or ever will be to say on the subject.


Anyway, this is a good talk and a nice diversion from what we usually all argue about. And I like the irony of a conversation about sexism breaking out on male dominated board dedicated to discussing phallic objects.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2014, 3:40 AM
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Ah, Simplicity. Always the optimist.

I'm not arguing that we're all suddenly enlightened--that's patently untrue. But people are taking this stuff more and more seriously, and after the (totally unsurprising) Jian Ghomeshi revelations I feel as though we've reached a tipping point where the kind of awareness that will eventually lead to enlightenment is eminent, if not mainstream.

I'm not even trying to argue that a culture shift is entirely the reason for the decline of clubbing--the fact that there's effectively no such thing as pop music any more is probably as much or more to blame--but to the points you make, we're talking about what 18-20 year olds do here. That most 50 year old men are still sexist pigs isn't reflective of what younger people are like. And while I want to be clear that the scenario in many restaurants is anything but empowering to women, at least the women are doing that to make a buck, not just having immature hardons thrust towards them. There is a difference there, even if it's a hollow one and anything but a triumph for feminism.


This is where Riverman can chime in that these restaurants exist because the market dictates it and that's all there is or ever will be to say on the subject.


Anyway, this is a good talk and a nice diversion from what we usually all argue about. And I like the irony of a conversation about sexism breaking out on male dominated board dedicated to discussing phallic objects.
Biguc, you've proven time and time again to be an authoritative voice on culture and society.

"Miley and Bieber are garbage, bring back that wholesome pop of the 2000s - you know, Fergie, Avril Levine and Nelly".... "No, that was garbage, the 1990s was where it was at for pop music. Back in those days, excellent artists like Sisqo, Backstreet Boys, and Aqua!"... "No, that was garbage, the 1980s...."

Usually those "these young whippersnappers don't know taste" types are in their 50s, not in their 20s lol (apologies if you're not in your 20s)...
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Ah, Simplicity. Always the optimist.

I'm not arguing that we're all suddenly enlightened--that's patently untrue. But people are taking this stuff more and more seriously, and after the (totally unsurprising) Jian Ghomeshi revelations I feel as though we've reached a tipping point where the kind of awareness that will eventually lead to enlightenment is eminent, if not mainstream.

I'm not even trying to argue that a culture shift is entirely the reason for the decline of clubbing--the fact that there's effectively no such thing as pop music any more is probably as much or more to blame--but to the points you make, we're talking about what 18-20 year olds do here. That most 50 year old men are still sexist pigs isn't reflective of what younger people are like. And while I want to be clear that the scenario in many restaurants is anything but empowering to women, at least the women are doing that to make a buck, not just having immature hardons thrust towards them. There is a difference there, even if it's a hollow one and anything but a triumph for feminism.


This is where Riverman can chime in that these restaurants exist because the market dictates it and that's all there is or ever will be to say on the subject.


Anyway, this is a good talk and a nice diversion from what we usually all argue about. And I like the irony of a conversation about sexism breaking out on male dominated board dedicated to discussing phallic objects.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't purport to be an expert in the sociological trends regarding feminism or really anything else for that matter.

I just see a lot of outrage these days. That's mainly what I witness because I don't party like I once did; the bar scene is a bit of a relic to me. But I see the patio at Whiskey Dix and the inside of the Shark Club every now and then after a Jets game. And occasionally I get dragged to an Earls or Moxies for a business lunch, so I am at least witnessing more macro trends. Based on those experiences, I think you're probably right about some quasi-empowerment of women, but it isn't for anything we'd be proud of. I mean, whether you're stripping at Teasers or playing just coy enough with your dress at Earls and incidentally bringing some food, the transaction is the same. It has the same intent and it has the same result. I remember when Earls started with their thing 15 years ago and people were livid. Shit, Lindor Reynolds wrote a take-down piece in the Free Press about their archaic morality and its damaging effects on the feminism. Now, that shit is mainstream. Nobody is even fazed by chicks dressed like escorts bringing you a chicken caesar wrap, anymore.

It's always the law of unintended consequences. If you push back too hard against something as engrained as white male privilege - if that's what they're calling it these days - you'll swing that pendulum too far back the other way. And I think that's what we're seeing now. The outrage about everything is effecting change to anything. There's lots of surface level compliance to the outrage, but we're not actually changing opinions. And that's why I'm just not that hopeful. A message can be good - and certainly one of equality is just that - but when it comes to delivering that message to youth, they need to see a message that makes sense. Telling a horny 20 year old guy that his engrained privilege is wrong is only credible when the 20 year chick isn't dressed like a prostitute and trading flirtation for money. And that's not speaking towards his privilege - obviously he has none. But young people aren't terribly good with nuance. The system needs to be balanced in a way that respects both parties. Otherwise, you're not changing minds. You're just driving that disrespect underground where it manifests in basements at after-parties at 3:00 when everybody is loaded and nobody is exercising any discretion...
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This is where Riverman can chime in that these restaurants exist because the market dictates it and that's all there is or ever will be to say on the subject.
I wouldn't know. I don't remember what the inside of a club looks like and whenever I go to Earl's I'm served by a waiter.
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Ummm..so getting back to my bar/arcade idea....
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2014, 9:10 PM
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I hear what you're saying, Simplicity, about blowback on outrage. In fact, I kind of think the douchey tenor of the '00s culture was a blowback on the furious third-wave feminism of the '90s--as well as a wild swing away from the rather limp-wristed conception of manhood the mainstream media proffered in that decade. The book Fight Club represented masculinity when that was radical. The movie co-opted it and ten years of chest thumping, dry humping idiocy ensued.

The difference between what we see now and the outrage of the '90s is that we can better see the facts behind the outrage. Pointing this out feels like a cliche but social media makes a huge difference, and not just in the opportunities it provides for people to seethe. Look no further that the roles Twitter and Facebook played in the Jian Ghomeshi scandal. 20 years ago Ghomeshi could have used his power to keep everything under wraps and nobody would have found out what a scum bag he was until after he died. Instead, thanks to social media and the greater internet, it was his worst kept secret that he was a dirtbag--everyone who bothered to look could find people calling Ghomeshi a creep. When things finally came to a head, people who wouldn't have had a voice before suddenly did, and Jian was free to bury himself on Facebook.

All of this plays into a lot of the theories feminists have been talking about since the '90s. It's easy for us to ignore the problems women faced coming forward about sexual assault, for example, when all we saw were outraged feminists howling about how it happens, but never actually saw it happen. Now, we've seen Jian Ghomeshi try to pre-emptively discredit women and shame them into silence. It's the absolutely wonderful side of our loss of privacy: it puts the lie to liars. I look at this case as a confirmation of something that seemed too theoretical for most people to care. But, like light bending around Mercury, we've seen things play out just like all those angry womyn told us they would, and we'd be fools not to listen.

Of course, this isn't the only case. We also have the recent revelations about harassment in parliament. Now that we've seen the evidence, the wool can fall from our eyes and a gestalt switch can occur. As the conversation builds, we'll see more and more, and start trying to deal with the problem. Hell, look at how our city came together after the Rinelle Harper assault. I can't help but think it took Tina Fontaine's brutal murder to wake us up to that reality. But the upshot is, we actually cared about a problem for once, as a community, that we'd been ignoring or marginalizing for years, and it feels incredibly empowering. At the end of the day, it doesn't behove us to ignore problems. When we acknowledge them and deal with them, things actually get better. And that kind of success plays into an intoxicating virtuous cycle.

Maybe I'm just hopelessly optimistic. I know there are still racists, misogynists, and those who think the earth is flat. Lots of people still claim Jian was simply defending himself when he attacked his victims' credibility before anyone had charged him with a thing. I hope they like being virgins.


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Biguc, you've proven time and time again to be an authoritative voice on culture and society.

"Miley and Bieber are garbage, bring back that wholesome pop of the 2000s - you know, Fergie, Avril Levine and Nelly".... "No, that was garbage, the 1990s was where it was at for pop music. Back in those days, excellent artists like Sisqo, Backstreet Boys, and Aqua!"... "No, that was garbage, the 1980s...."

Usually those "these young whippersnappers don't know taste" types are in their 50s, not in their 20s lol (apologies if you're not in your 20s)...

Haha yep, still in my 20s. Just prematurely grumpy.
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^ These are all good points. That fact is, social media is opening up dialogues conventional media simply hasn't. But I still question the effectiveness of nearly universal outrage about everything by virtue of hashtag slacktivism. Dialogue is good, but fatigue is a reality of that. Like you mentioned earlier, the aughts were a blowback of the heavily activist 90's - people simply became tired of all the manufactured outrage about everything.

I appreciate your optimism because I think it's a requirement of at least some people on this earth, I'm just a little more reticent to believe we've reached that critical mass. Take the Rinelle Harper issue. Does anybody really believe that the media paying more attention to this than they may have otherwise changes how white middle class people feel about aboriginals in this city? I'm doubtful. I think it's probably the opposite. Here you have another case of two aboriginals attacking a sixteen year old aboriginal girl in a place she very likely shouldn't have been. Their opinion of that isn't going to change. And every time some editorial appears in the paper suggesting that anybody other than the perpetrator are to blame, you're having the opposite effect. Nobody's interested in Shannon Sampert's trite pedantry on how white suburban families have created ghettos of the inner city by virtue of their structural racism and lack of urbanist sensibilities or Steve LaFleur's nonsense about intentionally putting yourself at risk on dark inner city bridges and parks as a means for creating the watchful eyes that criminals fear; they only care that one member of Poplar River First Nation attacked a member of Garden Hill First Nation and why was she on the river walk in the first place and why can't they just stay where they're from unless they can learn to operate within the social norms of society.

And this is really at the core of why I'm skeptical. People need to gradually and on their own terms become sensitized to a new reality. Grabbing a bigger hammer does not achieve the goal. Because that's what social media is: a giant hammer wielded by the most incredulous. And that will have a short shelf life. Does anybody remember Kony?

As for Jian Ghomeshi, I mean, give that a couple weeks. This is the nature of today's too-easy outrage; it's just as easy to forget. I'm not of the opinion that social media's ability to both try and convict somebody before anything has come out is such a good thing. And I'm not defending Jian Ghomeshi because I've never heard even a minute of Q in my whole life; I couldn't care less about the guy. But the machinery is dangerous. And like everything that's ever been too easy and too disregardful of nuance, it's only good until it's not. And then it's really not. Because we'll see a victim of the opposite side of this coin yet.
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Cormer Industries is expanding and is holding a number of recruiting fairs over the next few weeks at their plant on Church Avenue.
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Great news. Curious on the Dollar figure and location.


Harper announces new National Research Council facility for Winnipeg

A new National Research Council facility is coming to Winnipeg, Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced this afternoon.

Harper mentioned the new facility as part of $5.8 billion in new infrastructure spending unveiled at an announcement in London, Ont.

No other details have yet been provided for the new facility, including where it will be or how much it will cost.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...urce=d-tiles-2
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Applications open for new downtown residential housing tax credits

Developers interested in creating new downtown residential-housing units can apply today for a new round of city-provincial tax credits.

In June, city council approved a new downtown-housing incentive program to piggy-back on a fully subscribed, $40-million ‎city-provincial grant program that helped build approximately 1,300 units, most of them condominiums.

The new program won't offer grants up front, but will allow developers of pre-approved projects to receive a rebate of any property-tax increase that results from the improvements to their land or buildings.

The new incentive program is aimed at stimulating the creation of 750 to 900 rental-apartment units. It offers developers a de-facto property tax freeze for a minimum of 12 years for constructing rental units in specific areas of the downtown.......

Con't....http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...urce=d-tiles-3
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Nice story here:

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Shaw Communications Realigns Customer Service Operations to Enhance Customer Care

Impacted employees in Calgary, Edmonton and Kelowna offered relocation to contact centres expanding in Victoria, Vancouver, Winnipeg and Montreal
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Probably a great way to reduce salary costs. Calgary and Edmonton are likely not cheap places to be running call centres right now.
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lots of construction going on in the old federated insurance building on portage beside kromar printing.. anyone know what's going on there?
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American Standard (formally Fiat) makers of bathtubs are closing. 39 jobs I believe I heard
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American Standard (formally Fiat) makers of bathtubs are closing. 39 jobs I believe I heard
Hard to believe any of this stuff is being made in North America anymore. Apparently this was the last American Standard plant in Canada, and one of only a few in North America.
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Hard to believe any of this stuff is being made in North America anymore. Apparently this was the last American Standard plant in Canada, and one of only a few in North America.
I couldn't believe that either. How could you possibly compete?
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I couldn't believe that either. How could you possibly compete?
I am often surprised at the variety of things that are still being manufactured in Winnipeg. Like the metal garbage cans and pails being made by Great-West Metal in their old factory in the East Exchange.
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what about Ktec out by rosenort
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Not sure how much merit I'd place on an article written by one of the people who ran Gord Steeves' campaign.
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