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This is huge for Brooklyn.
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I am really looking forward to seeing what the changes look like...


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The developer has changed the look of the project. Earlier renderings showed sleek glass towers, while the new designs envision red-brick façades liberally punctuated with windows reminiscent of the area's old warehouses. Steel awnings hang above the entrances. "It's a nod to the area's industrial history," architect Gary Handel said.

Park Tower also hopes that a bridge designed by Santiago Calatrava to connect Brooklyn and Queens across the Newtown Creek will be included at a later point.

And I really hope they get the bridge done.
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When do they plan to reveal the designs?
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Probably at a meeting tonight, but here's an image from curbed.com



http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/0...eader_comments


Greenpoint Landing Towers Could Break Ground This Year

May 6, 2013
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Park Tower Group is ready to meet the masses as they plan to unveil the 20-acre proposal at a public meeting tonight. The proposal calls for 10 towers rising between 30 and 40 stories each with some 5,500 apartments.










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Thirty Stories High Rises On The Greenpoint Waterfront?
Greenpoint Landing Public Meeting Tonight (5/6)


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If you have any interest in how the proposed Greenpoint Landing development, which includes ten residential buildings that could be up to thirty to forty stories high, will affect the Greenpoint Waterfront and life as a Greenpoint resident, then you MUST come to this public meeting tonight, Monday May, 6th, 2013 at 6:30pm at McCarren Park Recreation Center (776 Lorimer St)
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For the record, the two negative posts made on that page about this project are flat-out asinine; and the second one makes my head spin.
Those render peeks look choice.

I pray that this goes ahead as planned and the NIMBY's get theirs again.
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For the record, the two negative posts made on that page about this project are flat-out asinine; and the second one makes my head spin.
Those render peeks look choice.

I pray that this goes ahead as planned and the NIMBY's get theirs again.
Yeah, the trolls always troll that board, I wouldn't expect anything else. As far as the renders go, it looks like it will be a mix of glass and brick. I want to see the entire thing. It will probably be more glass facing the river, with more brick inland towards the neighborhood.

One thing about the public meeting though, everyone seems to want to focus on the towers. That part is a done deal, so people are fooling themselves if they think they're gonna somehow cut the towers down.
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The absolutely perfect analogy I can draw with these NIMBY's is at the end of the Spongebob Squarepants ep wherein Patrick keeps trying to get through the hat store door with a plank nailed to his head.
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Personally I think NYC has to stop embracing its past and move onto its future image.
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Personally I think NYC has to stop embracing its past and move onto its future image.


Exactly. You know at some point, what we see as the past was someone's future. What's old hand for us was fresh change for someone else. New York has a glorius past, but I don't think we've seen the best New York yet.
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New park to blossom on Greenpoint waterfront
Long-promised green space will replace an Metropolitan Transportation Authority parking lot in a complex deal involving the two developers of a big waterfront residential property nearby and the $8 million sale of air rights. Proceeds will help fund park construction.






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It took years, but the Bloomberg administration is finally delivering on more of the open space it promised in connection with the massive 2005 rezoning of the Williamsburg-Greenpoint waterfront. The city has selected developers David Bistricer and Joseph Chetrit to help develop a 3-acre park at the mouth of Newtown Creek, bringing desperately needed waterfront open space to northern Greenpoint, Brooklyn. The city is expected to announce the agreement at a community board meeting in the neighborhood Monday night.

In addition to paving the way for 30- and 40-story towers all along the East River waterfront, the 2005 rezoning was meant to bring a few parks along the water as well. The community has often grumbled that what little waterfront open space has been created has mostly been built by developers. Meanwhile, plans for major public projects like Bushwick Inlet Park and the Box Street park have languished.

The Box Street park can now move forward, thanks to a deal with Messrs. Bistricer and Chetrit. The developers—who have worked on such high profile projects as the Bossert Hotel in Brooklyn Heights, midtown's Flatotel and the Sony Building—bought a site at 77 Commercial St. last year for $25 million, with plans to build the kind of soaring luxury apartment complex that has become the signature of the new Brooklyn waterfront.

.....The city Parks Department issued a request for proposals from landscape architects and designers in April and expects to unveil plans in the fall. Those architects are also working on expanding nearby Newtown Barge Park, an effort being funded by an even bigger development, Greenpoint Landing, a 22-acre development being undertaken by the Park Tower Group. They paid $2.5 million to the city for the park.

Both projects are expected to enter public review together some time this summer, to facilitate a more cohesive plan for this more than half-mile stretch of the Brooklyn waterfront.

Park Tower was also interested in including the MTA site in its development, but the Bistricer-Chetrit team ultimately won out. In addition to the $8 million, Messrs. Bistricer and Chetrit have agreed to make 200 units of their roughly 700-unit project affordable. (The exact number of units is still being determined for the Cetra/Ruddy-designed project.)

"The city insisted on affordable, so there's going to be affordable housing," David Bistricer said. The project was not going to include any, but now it will, and can take advantage of programs like 421-a tax credits, which provide tax breaks for building affordable housing.

Mr. Bistricer said he is looking forward to developing his project. "It's a very good neighborhood with new construction on the waterfront, and it's the right time for it," Mr. Bistricer said. "Especially with this new park, it's going to be very nice."












The site had been home to the boardwalk set from Boardwalk Empire, though it has since been relocated now that construction is set to commence.
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New park to blossom on Greenpoint waterfront
Long-promised green space will replace an Metropolitan Transportation Authority parking lot in a complex deal involving the two developers of a big waterfront residential property nearby and the $8 million sale of air rights. Proceeds will help fund park construction.




This is a separate 700-unit development, at 77 Commercial Street. Greenpoint Landing is the 5,500 unit development just to the south.

Then there's a third multi-tower development, just to the south of Greenpoint Landing, for which details have been murky. I think this third one is 3,500 units, so we're talking nearly 10,000 new units of highrise waterfront housing in Greenpoint.
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http://greenpointers.com/2013/05/07/...commercial-st/

Community Meeting Notes: Greenpoint Landing & 77 Commercial St





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We’re creating a neighborhood on the waterfront.”

These were the poorly-chosen words of Melanie Meyers, a representative for the Greenpoint Landing development. She appeared alongside representatives of the development at 77 Commercial Street and from various city agencies before a room filled beyond capacity at the McCarren Recreation Center on Monday evening to present preliminary plans for the developments threatening to deposit over 6,100 units of additional housing upon the north Brooklyn waterfront across the next decade. While it’s unclear what, if any, new information was conveyed to the public at the meeting, the response from the audience was clear: Greenpoint already has a neighborhood, thank you very much.

The details of the developments remained vague on many points, but the general outlines of their deal with the city are coming into focus. In exchange for development rights (purchased for what Ms. Meyers estimated for Greenpoint Landing at $8 million for 295,000 square feet, or about $27 per square foot) Greenpoint will be tossed the proverbial bone in the form of 631 units of affordable housing, 4.5 acres of city-owned park, about 2,000 square feet of publicly-accessible waterfront, and a 640 seat school. Part of this deal involves acquiring air rights from the MTA property at 65 commercial street; in order to use these air rights to build a 30-40 story tower instead of a 15 story tower, 77 Commercial still needs to secure an exception to allow for the soaring heights of R-8 zoning instead of its current R-6.

Aside from clarifications to these numbers, representatives of the developers did not meaningfully answer any questions or address any neighborhood concerns. Chief among those raised was the impending specter of a socioeconomically divided Greenpoint, with the waterfront belonging to the wealthy in towers whose business would be conducted in Manhattan and the rest relegated to their shadows cast on Manhattan Avenue. Transportation, which weighs heavily on the mind of any rush-hour G train commuter, was mentioned but met with a familiar response: we’ll do the studies when required by the development process. All of these non-answers served only to reinforce the main sentiment that this development is incongruous with the neighborhood and is not part of a comprehensive plan but rather is a short-sighted capitalization on valuable, newly-available waterfront.

People seemed dismayed by the lack of clear intentions coming from the developers coupled with a lack of clear leadership from representatives. Stephen Levin, District 33 representative, offered vague advice to ‘organize, organize, organize’ but appeared primarily interested in making it clear to voters that he was not in office when the 2005 rezoning was pushed forward. Similarly, Christopher Olechowski, representing community board 1, made it repeatedly clear that they had rejected in its entirety the development plans for the waterfront only to have them pushed through by the city regardless. If we wish to have a say in anything more meaningful than the placement of a park bench or two, it is clear that we will need to align the powerful undercurrents of resistance felt at this meeting, and do it quickly.

Yes, organize, organize, organize. It will be an exercise in futility.

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Personally I think NYC has to stop embracing its past and move onto its future image.
The problem with this belief is that moving onto a future image involves building according to what a select group of architects who practice internationally design for any other city that wants to look like the "future."

So all these cities around the world all end up looking the same. They don't end up possessing a "future image," but a generic one. People like New York because it looks like New York. That "New York look" will always outlive any passing architectural trend.
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The problem with this belief is that moving onto a future image involves building according to what a select group of architects who practice internationally design for any other city that wants to look like the "future."
Well, buildings of the past didn't just magically appear out of thin air.
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The problem with this belief is that moving onto a future image involves building according to what a select group of architects who practice internationally design for any other city that wants to look like the "future."

So all these cities around the world all end up looking the same. They don't end up possessing a "future image," but a generic one. People like New York because it looks like New York. That "New York look" will always outlive any passing architectural trend.
People have been fascinated with NY because it was one of the only cities with such a scope of size/density. That is no longer the case, as many cities have caught up. The difference is, these new cities are modernizing and creating an exciting image.

NY can still be origninal, but if it continues to build square boxes or buildings which are heavy on the brick (something NY has too much of), it might not garner the same fascination for future generations. You have to be bold, which means doing things nobody else has done or thought of....
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People have been fascinated with NY because it was one of the only cities with such a scope of size/density. That is no longer the case, as many cities have caught up.
There is no city with a comparable mix of density and height across such a large area. I don't think NYC needs to worry about other cities "catching up".

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NY can still be origninal, but if it continues to build square boxes or buildings which are heavy on the brick (something NY has too much of), it might not garner the same fascination for future generations. You have to be bold, which means doing things nobody else has done or thought of....
I don't understand why it's "bold" to do the same generic international-style buildings you see in every city, from Wuhan to Istanbul to LA. Isn't it more "bold" to have your own style?

And I certainly hope NYC continues to build square boxes. If you don't respect the street, you will no longer have the pedestrian-oriented street-level feel. I want a walkable environment, not a suburban-style place like Pudong, where the buildings don't respect the pedestrian.
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There is no city with a comparable mix of density and height across such a large area. I don't think NYC needs to worry about other cities "catching up".

Not true. Shainghai for example has a much larger height skyscraper density. Look at some google aerial images, it is crazy. Hong kong is comparable as well.

I don't understand why it's "bold" to do the same generic international-style buildings you see in every city, from Wuhan to Istanbul to LA. Isn't it more "bold" to have your own style?

And I certainly hope NYC continues to build square boxes. If you don't respect the street, you will no longer have the pedestrian-oriented street-level feel. I want a walkable environment, not a suburban-style place like Pudong, where the buildings don't respect the pedestrian.
I don't think every city looks the same. They all have their own skyscrapers with different shapes/sizes. That's the difference though, their designs vary from building to building. It makes it interesting.

And you don't have to build square boxes to be pedestrian friendly. You can have a square base and change the shape as you go verticle.

All i'm saying is there are thousands of buildings in NY that look like this project. I don't see a reason why breaking outside of the norm is so unacceptable to you. If a city does the same thing over and over in the name of "staying true to its roots", then it becomes stagnant and frankly everything looks antiquated.
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^^ I agree with you that the architecture of this project is pretty banal. But I don't think you can make such a sweeping statement about NYC architecture based on this project alone. There are other buildings (think Torre Verre, 56 Leonard, 400 Park Ave South, etc) that will make there mark. These buildings were design to house the masses.
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^^ I agree with you that the architecture of this project is pretty banal. But I don't think you can make such a sweeping statement about NYC architecture based on this project alone. There are other buildings (think Torre Verre, 56 Leonard, 400 Park Ave South, etc) that will make there mark. These buildings were design to house the masses.
I agree with that. There are some pretty cool buildings going up. I'd just rather see NY do some cool modern buildings on the waterfronts.

I think NY has more than enough complexes with brick, and they could probably go without brick for the next decade to break up the monotony of some of the skyline photos. Large scale projects like this would go a long way to accomplishing this. JMHO though.
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I could be wrong, but I think what we'll be getting here is more glass facing the waterfront, and more brick inland.
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