Planning for shrinking cities

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by acottawa

There is no mechanism for tens of millions of refugees to get to Canada. It takes a massive government-sponsored effort to get a few thousand refugees to Canada.

More and more immigrants are choosing Canada to live. If we left the gates unlocked, the population would double within a year. We're starting to see massive amounts of Latin Americans bypass the United States to come here for the first time ever.

Canada may replace the USA as the #1 destination for those in the developing World. I can also see Toronto growing so big that it swallows Hamilton, becomes the #3 metro area of North America, eclipsing Dallas, Houston, and Chicago. Vancouver can catch Seattle in population within 20 years. Edmonton and Calgary will likely hit 2 million by 2035.

If anything, we should be preparing for a major population boom.

[MolsonExport]

A population boom is a distinct possibility, however, conservative politicians may capitalize on the backlash of population growth (read: too many people of different backgrounds 'changing' Canadian society, to the dismay of a fair number of conservative-minded folk), and lower immigration targets accordingly, should they gain office.

Montreal is also growing at a healthy clip, and with the exploding populations of numerous former French colonies/mandates, there is ample supply to sustain population growth in French Canada.

[JustForTheHalibut]

International immigration is Canada's main population booster, once covid has diminished, provinces like Manitoba that relies a lot on international immigration will have more rapidly increasing population. Also places like Calgary has the biggest visible minority population outside of Vancouver, Toronto and Winnipeg.

Originally Posted by JHikka

Will remember this the next time there's forest fires in BC or hurricanes hitting the Maritimes.

Climate change could actually be beneficial for some parts of Canada.
Maritimes biggest storms have been blizzards. Newfoundland's city most expensive storm to date was a winter storm and Stjohns spends ten's of $millions on snow removal each year apparently.

https://www.saltwire.com/newfoundlan...ys-had-410504/

Lower mainland is more prone to flooding than forest fire. BC Fire's were bad this last year but 2021 was an unusual weather for year in BC, just like the snow lately is quite exceptional.

Alberta's most expensive weather related events have been flooding too and hail storms, forest fires happen there too but forest fires occur naturally each year and are mostly due to humans accidentally or intentionally starting them or preventing forest fires from running their course, not not necessarily all climate change related events.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

International immigration is Canada's main population booster, once covid has diminished, provinces like Manitoba that relies a lot on international immigration will have more rapidly increasing population. Also places like Calgary has the biggest immigrant population outside of Vancouver, Toronto and Winnipeg.
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I assume you mean as a percentage of population?

Because in sheer numbers, Montreal has almost three times as many immigrants as Calgary.

[JustForTheHalibut]

Yes, Calgary is biggest percent (%) visible minority population outside of Toronto, Vancouver, and Winnipeg

...in the country of Canada, I should probably also add.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail.../t001b-eng.htm

Quebec and the maritimes have the least percentage of immigrants of all cities in Canada upon closer look, single digit percentage in cities there outside of Montreal in fact.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

Yes, Calgary is biggest percent (%) visible minority population outside of Toronto, Vancouver, and Winnipeg

...in the country of Canada, I should probably also add.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/dail.../t001b-eng.htm

Quebec and the maritimes have the least percentage of immigrants of all cities in Canada upon closer look, single digit percentage in cities there outside of Montreal in fact.

"Visible minority" is not the same thing as "immigrant".

Not all visibile minorities are immigrants (many are born here) and not all immigrants are visible minorities (i.e. native Europeans).

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

More and more immigrants are choosing Canada to live. If we left the gates unlocked, the population would double within a year. We're starting to see massive amounts of Latin Americans bypass the United States to come here for the first time ever.

Canada may replace the USA as the #1 destination for those in the developing World. I can also see Toronto growing so big that it swallows Hamilton, becomes the #3 metro area of North America, eclipsing Dallas, Houston, and Chicago. Vancouver can catch Seattle in population within 20 years. Edmonton and Calgary will likely hit 2 million by 2035.

If anything, we should be preparing for a major population boom.

Smart politicians would use this as a way to improve the smaller cities such that, not only would the immigrants like it, but the citizens of those places feel it is an even better place to live. Imagine how the locals of places like Halifax, Regina, Saskatoon, and Victoria would react to a new LRT or a new stadium/arena being built. They are some of the "smaller" cities in Canada.

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

A population boom is a distinct possibility, however, conservative politicians may capitalize on the backlash of population growth (read: too many people of different backgrounds 'changing' Canadian society, to the dismay of a fair number of conservative-minded folk), and lower immigration targets accordingly, should they gain office.

This is something we need to root out and remove from office. The reality is, conservatives on a whole, in Canada and USA are realizing they don't stand much of a chance to gain much in the polls. Our last federal election kind of proved that. In the USA, the last election, where strong Republican states have flipped, you know this is the beginning of the end of the extreme right wing politics. However, that does not mean we should ignore the issues they are concerned of. We should listen and figure out why those concerns exist and go from there. I have noticed that more education seems to lower someone's chance of being a conservative.

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

International immigration is Canada's main population booster, once covid has diminished, provinces like Manitoba that relies a lot on international immigration will have more rapidly increasing population. Also places like Calgary has the biggest visible minority population outside of Vancouver, Toronto and Winnipeg.

Calgary is also the 4th largest city in Canada. Shouldn't surprise anyone that the top largest cities also are the top places for immigrants to go to. They tend to have more resources for newcomers. They also tend to have more established communities of different races/religion/country of origins than the smaller cities.

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

Climate change could actually be beneficial for some parts of Canada.
Maritimes biggest storms have been blizzards. Newfoundland's city most expensive storm to date was a winter storm and Stjohns spends ten's of $millions on snow removal each year apparently.

https://www.saltwire.com/newfoundlan...ys-had-410504/

Lower mainland is more prone to flooding than forest fire. BC Fire's were bad this last year but 2021 was an unusual weather for year in BC, just like the snow lately is quite exceptional.

Alberta's most expensive weather related events have been flooding too and hail storms, forest fires happen there too but forest fires occur naturally each year and are mostly due to humans accidentally or intentionally starting them or preventing forest fires from running their course, not not necessarily all climate change related events.

Imagine those severe weather events happened more frequently. So, that storm in St John's, instead of being a once in 100 years, it becomes a once in 10 years. That is the problem.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

Climate change could actually be beneficial for some parts of Canada.
Maritimes biggest storms have been blizzards. Newfoundland's city most expensive storm to date was a winter storm and Stjohns spends ten's of $millions on snow removal each year apparently.

Will keep this in mind when climate refugees are flooding Canadian cities because their countries are underwater.

[casper]

Originally Posted by MolsonExport

A population boom is a distinct possibility, however, conservative politicians may capitalize on the backlash of population growth (read: too many people of different backgrounds 'changing' Canadian society, to the dismay of a fair number of conservative-minded folk), and lower immigration targets accordingly, should they gain office.

Montreal is also growing at a healthy clip, and with the exploding populations of numerous former French colonies/mandates, there is ample supply to sustain population growth in French Canada.

One of the differences between Canada and the US is our provinces have the ability to run their own immigration programs to some extent. Most do to a fairly small extent. However if the federal government were to clamp down on immigration numbers, the provinces could step up to fill the gap.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by casper

One of the differences between Canada and the US is our provinces have the ability to run their own immigration programs to some extent. Most do to a fairly small extent. However if the federal government were to clamp down on immigration numbers, the provinces could step up to fill the gap.

I believe that actual numbers they are allowed to admit are set by the feds.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Acajack

I believe that actual numbers they are allowed to admit are set by the feds.

Provinces are consulted, but yes.

[JustForTheHalibut]

Originally Posted by Acajack

"Visible minority" is not the same thing as "immigrant".

Not all visibile minorities are immigrants (many are born here) and not all immigrants are visible minorities (i.e. native Europeans).

Yes of course, the reason I bring up both visible minority and immigration in the same post is a predominate vast vast major of Canada's ethnic diversity and therefore non aboriginal visible minority Canadians, is a result of immigration in the last two centuries.
Japan as an example, doesn't have nearly as much contemporary immigration, that's why it's considered a very homogenous culture, in case you weren't sure why.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

Yes of course, the reason I bring up both visible minority and immigration in the same post is a predominate vast vast major of Canada's ethnic diversity and therefore non aboriginal visible minority Canadians, is a result of immigration in the last two centuries.
Japan as an example, doesn't have nearly as much contemporary immigration, that's why it's considered a very homogenous culture, in case you weren't sure why.

Well, yeah, I just learned about the actual existence of Japan last week, so give me time, man!

I mean, did you know they even have an entirely different "alphabet" to write their words with?

[JustForTheHalibut]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Smart politicians would use this as a way to improve the smaller cities such that, not only would the immigrants like it, but the citizens of those places feel it is an even better place to live. Imagine how the locals of places like Halifax, Regina, Saskatoon, and Victoria would react to a new LRT or a new stadium/arena being built. They are some of the "smaller" cities in Canada.

Calgary is also the 4th largest city in Canada. Shouldn't surprise anyone that the top largest cities also are the top places for immigrants to go to. They tend to have more resources for newcomers. They also tend to have more established communities of different races/religion/country of origins than the smaller cities.

Imagine those severe weather events happened more frequently. So, that storm in St John's, instead of being a once in 100 years, it becomes a once in 10 years. That is the problem.

I can't even imagine "smaller" cities in Canada like that in this day and age could build stadiums or have NHL sided arenas.

Yes, sort of makes sense that Calgary would be a big draw for immigrants in Canada.
I looked up the post I linked yesterday and it looks like the top ten international immigration draws for the country suggests that.

Toronto 356,930
Montreal 179,270
Vancouver 142,535
Calgary 93,255
Edmonton 78,520
Winnipeg 52,460
Ottawa 37,890
Saskatoon 18,585
Hamilton 17,420
Regina 16,195

Between 2011-2016 Montreal had almost twice as many international immigrants settling there than Calgary in fact.


I was looking at links to projected climate change in the future and it does look like the east coast would get much higher precipitation but not much of an increase in temperature, so more blizzards could be more common place.

BC and the north in Canada has had the highest increase in average annual temperature in Canada in the last half of 20th century apparently.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/sites/www.nr...rossCanada.pdf

[Acajack]

Calgary and Ottawa are of similar size and Calgary gets almost three times as many immigrants.

[JustForTheHalibut]

ya, I had to do a double take on that too.
Regina and Saskatoon together draw same amount of international immigrants as our nation's Capital.

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

Alberta's most expensive weather related events have been flooding too and hail storms, forest fires happen there too but forest fires occur naturally each year and are mostly due to humans accidentally or intentionally starting them or preventing forest fires from running their course, not not necessarily all climate change related events.

The now seasonal forest fire smoke in AB is becoming worse every year. I don't recall ever experiencing it growing up until well into the 00's. It is not normal. It is 100% due to dry conditions exacerbated by Climate Change.

[casper]

Originally Posted by JustForTheHalibut

ya, I had to do a double take on that too.
Regina and Saskatoon together draw same amount of international immigrants as our nation's Capital.

Saskatoon is a university town. Not certain if those numbers include international students or not. However that tends to be a fairly important entry path into Canada. Study in Canada and then after you graduate apply for more permeant status.

[swimmer_spe]

https://northernontario.ctvnews.ca/t...ource=facebook

These two northern Ont. cities in Top 3 most growth for 2021 U-Haul arrivals

"Every year the moving truck rental company analyzes the number of customer moves during the previous year and publishes its findings."

"Top 10 growth cities in 2021, according to U-Haul (previous year's rankings in brackets):

1) North Bay (1)
2) Belleville, Ont. (4)
3) Greater Sudbury, Ont. (6)
4) Quebec City, Que. (16)
5) Calgary, Alta.
6) Kelowna-West Kelowna, B.C.
7) Kingston, Ont. (3)
8) Red Deer – Lancombe, Alta.
9) Owen Sound – Port Elgin, Ont.
10) North Vancouver, B.C. (2) "

Talking about planning for the shrinking cities, we also need to plan for the growth of the smaller cities. Of the top 10 on this list, only 3 are within the top 10 metros in Canada. For context, the top city, North Bay is 52.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_in_Canada

So, if this trend was maintained for a few years, a shift in spending from the provinces and the federal governments should also happen. I am not suggesting a new subway or NHL sized arena for the cities, but, more along the ideas of things that those cities need to continue to grow.

[AuxTown]

Originally Posted by casper

Saskatoon is a university town. Not certain if those numbers include international students or not. However that tends to be a fairly important entry path into Canada. Study in Canada and then after you graduate apply for more permeant status.

That can't possibly explain it as U of S has 20000 students. U of O and Carleton have 70000 students combined, not to mention another 30000 students at Ottawa's 3 large colleges. I bet the reason less immigrants end up in Ottawa would have to do with hiring restrictions of our largest employer, the federal government. Not only are many of the 300k+ public service jobs in Ottawa mandated to be bilingual, but I also bet there are hiring practices to encourage hiring of Canadians first. That said, I live in Kanata and my entire neighbourhood is made up of recent immigrants (mostly engineers) that work in the high tech industry. So it's amazing to think Ottawa's numbers are so low!