Homicide stats in Canadian Cities

[Oliver May]

Originally Posted by lio45

If it's the lockdowns that caused him to lose it like that, do the people sliced in two with that japanese saber count as Covid deaths?

No. It seems that he was mentally ill long before March 2020, not to mention that he drove 3 hours from his home to Québec City to carry out his attack which is, in my opinion, a sign of mental illness.

Part of the problem would be that missing deaths (i.e. lack of car crash deaths) would have to count as negative Covid deaths.

[urbandreamer]

Probably inspired by those deaths in France.

[Oliver May]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

Probably inspired by those deaths in France.

Probably not. Since you have proved no evidence to back up the claim, I require none to reject it. Though, all the available evidence indicates that it is far more likely to be Incel-inspired.

I might as well claim (without evidence) that it was inspired by the Toronto Van attack.

[Acajack]

Apparently a somewhat well-known Toronto rapper was shot and killed in Lincoln (right next to St Catharines) over the weekend.

[Acajack]

Ottawa at 9.

Stabbing between neighbours in a Chinatown rooming house.

[JuelzJones]

Toronto - 62
Winnipeg - 37
Edmonton - 30
Calgary - 30
Montreal - 21
Hamilton - 15
Vancouver - 15

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Acajack

This was not a homicide. Gatineau still at 2 I think.

Gatineau actually had its 2nd last night.

Not too far from my place. About a five minute drive.

[Acajack]

One in Val-des-Monts last night. It's an exurban municipality in the eastern Gatineau hills. Part of the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA.

A son in his 30s apparently killed his father in his 60s with a Japanese-style sabre. People are wondering if it's a copycat of the crimes in Quebec City.

Anyway, Val-des-Monts has had a rough year. Very early in 2020 (before the pandemic), a retired RCMP officer killed his two tenants with whom he was embroiled in a dispute.

So three in a municipality of 10,000 is a lot. Rate of 30 per 100,000.

Of course, this is a place that can go 10-15 years without any murders at all.

Probably a freak outlier year for them.

[Dr Awesomesauce]

Originally Posted by Acajack

One in Val-des-Monts last night. It's an exurban municipality in the eastern Gatineau hills. Part of the Ottawa-Gatineau CMA.

A son in his 30s apparently killed his father in his 60s with a Japanese-style sabre. People are wondering if it's a copycat of the crimes in Quebec City.

Anyway, Val-des-Monts has had a rough year. Very early in 2020 (before the pandemic), a retired RCMP officer killed his two tenants with whom he was embroiled in a dispute.

So three in a municipality of 10,000 is a lot. Rate of 30 per 100,000.

Of course, this is a place that can go 10-15 years without any murders at all.

Probably a freak outlier year for them.

Violent crime is an endlessly fascinating and horrifying aspect of human nature.

What would possess someone to pick up a Samurai sword and cut down their father? Add to that fact that the perpetrator is an adult with a presumably fully-formed brain, so we can't discount adolescent insanity as a contributing factor. I can only assume huge amounts of alcohol fueled this murder, as it almost always does.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

Violent crime is an endlessly fascinating and horrifying aspect of human nature.

What would possess someone to pick up a Samurai sword and cut down their father? Add to that fact that the perpetrator is an adult with a presumably fully-formed brain, so we can't discount adolescent insanity as a contributing factor. I can only assume huge amounts of alcohol fueled this murder, as it almost always does.

Also it's the pandemic. With substantially reduced social interactions with people outside the household and having to deal with the crap from any roommate 24/7, people tend to go kookoo.
On a tangent note, hanging out every so often with someone is very different from living with that same person for a long time.

[MonkeyRonin]

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce

Violent crime is an endlessly fascinating and horrifying aspect of human nature.

What would possess someone to pick up a Samurai sword and cut down their father? Add to that fact that the perpetrator is an adult with a presumably fully-formed brain, so we can't discount adolescent insanity as a contributing factor. I can only assume huge amounts of alcohol fueled this murder, as it almost always does.

Pretty sure that wanting to slice people up with swords isn't a typical side effect of alcohol. I think mental illness is the common factor that you're looking for.

[Acajack]

I don't know if alcohol or drugs were involved (they might be), but it's a hell of a story.

The victim is actually a retired Ottawa police detective. (Strangely enough the other murders in Val-des-Monts in 2020 also involved a retired cop - RCMP in that case, but he is the alleged killer. The exurbia north of Gatineau is a popular place of residence for cops both active and retired, from Quebec and also cops from Ottawa, mostly francophones.)

As stated the victim's son is the prime suspect. He was previously charged with sexual assault of some kind, and awaiting an appearance in court.

And... the victim's *other* son was the focus of another high-profile case as a serial GHB date rape predator and assaulter. That pretty boy was jailed for seven years not that long ago.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Also it's the pandemic. With substantially reduced social interactions with people outside the household and having to deal with the crap from any roommate 24/7, people tend to go kookoo.
On a tangent note, hanging out every so often with someone is very different from living with that same person for a long time.

I agree that the pandemic has greatly exacerbated things, but social disorder was clearly on the rise in the months and years prior.

For some reason it doesn't show up in the "stats" (or if it does, only as a tiny blip) but it's been noticeable for a little while if you keep your eyes open.

I mean, this happened in one Ottawa suburb two years ago, a place so placid it's nicknamed Borehaven. The headline (purposefuly?) downplays the scale of what happened, but if you read the article you get a better picture of the events.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...aven-1.4731223

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Gatineau actually had its 2nd last night.

Not too far from my place. About a five minute drive.

The victim of this homicide was actually from Peterborough. Not many people from Peterborough hanging around dépanneur parking lots in inner suburban Gatineau in the wee hours of Sunday morning.

I wonder if he wasn't actually murdered in Ottawa and his body dumped in Gatineau? Where he was found is right next to a highway exit, about 10 minutes from Ottawa.

A quick search of his name reveals several articles from 8-10 years ago from the Peterborough area with arrests and court appearances for violent crimes and robberies. He was a cocky guy too: in one of the trial articles he described himself to the judge as an "all-star" who wasn't cut out for a real job, but that his fast life (with women and other pleasures) required money, so he needed to find it somewhere...

Since this was at a dépanneur/gas bar, I had initially feared it was a robbery gone wrong and that the victim was an unlucky minimum wage dépanneur worker.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by JuelzJones

Toronto - 62
Winnipeg - 37
Edmonton - 30
Calgary - 30
Montreal - 21
Hamilton - 15
Vancouver - 15

Looks like Winnipeg is on it's way to being Murder Capital of Canada yet again.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Looks like Winnipeg is on it's way to being Murder Capital of Canada yet again.

For what it's worth Winnipeg hasn't been the "Murder Capital of Canada" for some time.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...101%2C20190101

[Acajack]

I think for 2019, Val-des-Monts might be a candidate with a rate of 30 per 100,000.

That's higher than Chicago or Philadelphia.

[HomeInMyShoes]

That would be Thunder Bay. Over the last five years, Thunder Bay has won it four times and ranked an average of 2. Regina has won it once with an average ranking of 3. Winnipeg hasn't won in the last five years, but their average ranking is 5.2. These don't include the worst places though as they aren't within the top-40 population centers.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by HomeInMyShoes

That would be Thunder Bay. Over the last five years, Thunder Bay has won it four times and ranked an average of 2. Regina has won it once with an average ranking of 3. Winnipeg hasn't won in the last five years, but their average ranking is 5.2. These don't include the worst places though as they aren't within the top-40 population centers.

Though the "worst" places are probably one-offs like Val-des-Monts.

A town of 2500 people could have 4 murders (often in a single event) giving it a sky-high murder rate for that specific year, but might not have a single murder for the next 20-25 years.

[HomeInMyShoes]

True, but that's why we don't normally count them, until it becomes a pattern. North Battleford had four homicides last year. Population around 15,000. What's that per 100,000? 27ish? But then North Battleford's mayor will argue that given the high number of transients, the population is probably closer to 30,000. So? 13ish? Still way higher than any of the front-runners in 2019 which were around 6 per 100,000.