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Old Posted Oct 17, 2013, 11:35 PM
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around that many people Downtown every game day.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2013, 7:35 PM
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That's about 15% of typical weekday commuter load, or about half a typical Old Sacramento special event like SMF, Pacific Rim or Gold Rush Days, maybe 4-5 times the current K Street weekend nightlife crowd on the 1000-1200 block. It's at a time when downtown is usually pretty well emptied, but a lot depends on how much time and money is spent by the crowd in the surrounding neighborhood, and how many arrived by means other than driving.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 6:23 AM
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That's about 15% of typical weekday commuter load, or about half a typical Old Sacramento special event like SMF, Pacific Rim or Gold Rush Days, maybe 4-5 times the current K Street weekend nightlife crowd on the 1000-1200 block. It's at a time when downtown is usually pretty well emptied, but a lot depends on how much time and money is spent by the crowd in the surrounding neighborhood, and how many arrived by means other than driving.
The way the parking is spread out, I think it will encourage people to park and walk up K street or from the surrounding blocks. There will be the premium price people who will pay to park at the arena. But that is about the same smaller percentage you see today at the current arena. Mostly people will figure out their own strategy for getting to an event down there. Just talk to people who park downtown a lot and they have it down to a science.

As when both ARCO arenas opened up, there will be a mess of traffic for a month. Then everyone will figure it out and it will be fine. And the nice part about the thousands of spaces spread all over the west downtown area, the traffic will spread out too instead of all trying to park next to the arena.

I've also talked to a few of the city people who are working on this project. I offered a suggestion where they use RT buses as shuttles from some of the outlying big garages like the Memorial Garage. Park there and the shuttle picks you up and drops you off at the entrance to DTP before and after events. Raley Field used to do that for River Cats games and that was back and forth over the river. They seem to like the idea of bringing their big garages into play for event parking.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2013, 2:18 PM
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Assuming that the Sacramento/West Sacramento streetcar line gets built, it would play that role pretty well, as it will run closer to a lot of the private lots and outlying lots. Extending the hours of existing bus and light rail lines to facilitate use for pre/post games makes a lot of sense--but someone has to pay for those extra runs, especially if the city wants to create a free/discounted zone around the arena.

The question is revenue capture--will the projected parking revenue increases reach their targets if people park in West Sacramento, or unregulated street parking in Midtown, instead of paying at an evening parking meter or city lot downtown? There will be a lot of money to be made in providing parking in private lots and state parking lots, but I haven't seen a plan for a city parking tax or other way to tap into that new market to pay for the arena if they aren't using city lots. I just got back from Chicago and noticed a schedule of city/county parking lot taxes in a private lot--I assume to balance private-lot charges with the rates of (currently privatized) street/city lot parking.
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There are parts of this film which talk about public subsidies of billionaires for arenas......"none make money for the city"


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No one posted these yet, so I guess I will. Saw these on Twitter, look like they were taken from an ABC news piece on the arena. New renderings, and a little more of the idea of the indoor/outdoor concept shown here:





These are possible directions they are going in, as far as the style/look of the arena itself. Some interesting things here. Not really a fan of that last one, kind of blah. The one with trees growing on the roof looks really interesting, would certainly be an awesome addition to the City of Trees!
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Here are some higher resolution pics from the bee









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I'm really liking the look of that 3rd picture. Are they between designs though? Pic 1 & 2 don't match the design of 3 & 4.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 2:35 AM
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I'm really liking the look of that 3rd picture. Are they between designs though? Pic 1 & 2 don't match the design of 3 & 4.
The extra highrises make it nice too heh
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2013, 4:44 PM
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I'm really liking the look of that 3rd picture. Are they between designs though? Pic 1 & 2 don't match the design of 3 & 4.
1 & 2 are different designs. #2 is has the same overhead as the one with lots of green space on the roof. There is an overhead drawing for #1, but it hasn't made it out into media pictures I guess. It was in the presentation to the council last night.

#3 & #4 were the overall favorite by show of hands last night at the meeting. KJ even put up both hands and a leg. I guess that means he likes it!

It kind of looks like a crown from the air. Definitely doesn't look like a space ship landed on the mall.
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Old Posted Oct 31, 2013, 4:55 PM
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I'm not sure how the one w/ trees on top could be close to the design given the fact Chris Granger said during his presentation that the arena would have a retractable roof. I assume that means "partially" retractable. Still, this arena will be the best of its kind in the world when it's built!
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Old Posted Nov 12, 2013, 7:27 PM
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Bright lights, big city: Is Sacramento’s night skyline about to shine?
By Tony Bizjak
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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 12, 2013 - 12:00 am

Purple lights bathed some of Sacramento’s signature buildings late last month, advertising the start of a new season for the Sacramento Kings.
That relatively modest light show could be just the beginning. With a new Kings arena in the works for Downtown Plaza, city officials and business leaders are talking about ways to use lighting as a major calling card for the arena district, including LED lights that would flash product ads on the sides of buildings, or simply turn building facades into massive canvasses for dramatic light shows.

Michael Ault, head of the Downtown Sacramento Partnership, a business and property owners’ group, is among those interested in using LED advertising as a way to bring life to the arena and boost commerce downtown.

“They’re talking about (millions) of people coming down here a year,” he said. “It is kind of an exciting time. We should look at as many creative ideas as we can.”

The practice of lighting buildings to promote social causes, sell products, or highlight architecture has become increasingly common in recent years, enabled by the development of LED technology. Prominent buildings across the country, including Sacramento’s state capitol, have gone pink for Breast Cancer Awareness Month. Locally, the new Crocker Art Museum and the L Street Lofts are bathed nightly in various colors. The Esquire building on K Street boasts a blue light column – its developer David Taylor calls it the blue spire – to identify its surrounding neighborhood as an entertainment district, and Taylor’s U.S. Bank building on Capitol Mall is topped with a cascading blue light show mimicking river flows.

In some larger cities, the lighting is much brighter, busier and often used to promote products. Visitors to New York’s Times Square or the LA Live entertainment district, home to the Staples Center arena, are greeted by an extravaganza of colors and ads flashing on digital, LED billboards.

Sacramento city officials are sounding a cautious note. They say they are exploring updating city signage rules to allow more advertising and light displays at the arena, but they do not plan to jam the site with advertisements.

“We definitely want to enliven the area, and add color, movement and excitement to the district,” Assistant City Manager John Dangberg said. But “we’re not talking about blocks of advertising.”

Sacramento Kings officials, who are teaming with the city to build the city-owned arena, say they are considering a brightly lit interactive arena facade. That may include message boards that recognize and welcome season ticket holders by name when they arrive in the plaza outside the building. The more often the fan shows up, the larger his or her name might appear on the welcome board, team president Chris Granger recently said.

The team arranged with city officials and other property owners to bathe a handful of structures, including old City Hall and the Tower Bridge, in purple light last week on opening night of the NBA season. Capitol officials declined a request to light the Capitol building purple, however.

Downtown Sacramento Partnership head Ault said he has talked with advertising industry representatives who say the arena and its front plaza at 6th and K streets, along with new buildings around the plaza, could offer numerous opportunities for LED-lit advertising boards on buildings.

“We are not trying to do Times Square,” Ault said. “We are trying to engage under-utilized spaces and (take advantage of) opportunities this new facility is generating.”

Taylor, whose U.S. Bank building sits across L Street from the planned arena, said he also has been approached by a group interested in using adjacent buildings for lighting displays. “I think it would be effective,” he said.

Others say the city is right to be cautious about how commercial it allows the arena area to become.

“It is a sticky wicket: What is too much?” said Michael Sestak of Sestak Lighting Design, who helped bathe the old Governor’s Mansion in new white lights this week. “That is a discussion that has to come up.”

City official Dangberg said the city must keep in mind the effect of arena district lighting on surrounding properties, including nearby residents.

“Signs are a sensitive thing,” he said. “You want to get it right.”
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2013, 5:06 AM
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If you read further into the story, Kings president Chris Granger said
that the proposed arena would have its seating capacity reduced down from a
planned 18,500 to 17,500 or even less, possibly making it even smaller than
the Kings’ current area.
You're confusing the number if seats with capacity. The capacity is still expected to be 18,500, 17,500 which would be seats. The rest are standing tickets. A lot of people spend a lot of time in the restaurants and in the bars.
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2013, 5:59 AM
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But still a smaller number of seats than the current arena, or listed in the term sheet, and thus a smaller capacity--with a resulting drop in revenue.
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But still a smaller number of seats than the current arena, or listed in the term sheet, and thus a smaller capacity--with a resulting drop in revenue.
You're still confused.

A smaller number of seats does not automatically equal smaller capacity. Many stadiums and arena sell SRO tickets. So you're wrong.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 1:51 AM
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People will pay to stand through an entire basketball game and pay the same ticket price? Or they will oversell a game because they assume that people will be up and about for part of the game, making seats available for those above capacity?
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But still a smaller number of seats than the current arena, or listed in the term sheet, and thus a smaller capacity--with a resulting drop in revenue.
No...... Number of seats doesn't matter a whole lot. It's all about Luxury boxes and Club seating. That's where the $$ comes from and where the current arena lacks. But a sold out arena downtown will show attendance as 18,500ish

Compare Sleep Train with other recent arenas.

Sleep Train - 17,317 for basketball, and has 30 luxury suites and 412 club seats.
Amway Center, Orlando - 18,846, 1,428 club seats, 161 luxury Suites
AT&T Center, San Antonio - 18,581 Seats, 2,018 club seats, 50 luxury suites

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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 8:48 PM
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What's the price differential between standing-room square footage and a seat?
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2013, 5:20 AM
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But still a smaller number of seats than the current arena, or listed in the term sheet, and thus a smaller capacity--with a resulting drop in revenue.
Not at all. The revenue generators will be enhanced by more retail and dining options in and around the arena. The revamped mall itself will be a generator for the team since Sacramento Kings LLC will own the mall.
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Old Posted Nov 23, 2013, 5:21 AM
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The city put up arena project site plans and other documentation here: http://portal.cityofsacramento.org/A...t-Process.aspx
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