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Vos stats ont 6 ans. Je t'enverrais les derniers de stats can si ca t'interesse vraiment.
Let me get this right, If i understand correctly, Lyle, are you saying that Québec has a higher rate of university grads compared to the rest of Canada?
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Let me get this right, If i understand correctly, Lyle, are you saying that Québec has a higher rate of university grads compared to the rest of Canada?
No. I'm saying that Quebec does not have the lowest rate of university grads in Canada, as Maclean's Magazine and others have tried to state for their own anti-Quebec motives. Quebec has a higher bachelor degree obtention rate, per capita, than Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan and PEI. In other words, in the middle of the pack. Quebec does have the second highest rate of Masters degrees and the highest rate of PhDs in Canada, according to the numbers Statistics Canada sent me when I requested them, something the journalists at Macleans are evidently too lazy to do.
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No. I'm saying that Quebec does not have the lowest rate of university grads in Canada, as Maclean's Magazine and others have tried to state for their own anti-Quebec motives. Quebec has a higher bachelor degree obtention rate, per capita, than Alberta, British Columbia, Saskatchewan and PEI. In other words, in the middle of the pack. Quebec does have the second highest rate of Masters degrees and the highest rate of PhDs in Canada, according to the numbers Statistics Canada sent me when I requested them, something the journalists at Macleans are evidently too lazy to do.

Thanks for clarifying that!!
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C'est quand même le Mcleans, faut pas trop en demander.

Tell you the truth, i've never read Macleans...
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From the same reporter who wrote the piece that started this thread:


How education narrowed the jobless gap between Quebec, Ontario
KONRAD YAKABUSKI

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July 12, 2007 at 7:09 AM EDT

MONTREAL — There are some things you just know you'll never live to see.

Like Paris Hilton winning a Nobel Prize. In Physics. Or Stephen Harper as grand marshal in the Pride parade. In drag. And somehow, you're okay with that because it suggests a certain order to the universe.

Then, just like that, the world turns upside down and you're no longer sure of anything.

On Friday, Statistics Canada reported that the unemployment rate in Toronto, Canada's supposedly solid financial centre, surpassed the jobless level in Montreal, Canada's proverbial second city. No one even remembers the last time that happened, if it ever did.

In June, the jobless rate stood at 6.5 per cent in Montreal, compared with 6.9 per cent in Toronto. A year ago, Montreal's unemployment rate was almost 40 per cent higher than Toronto's - 8.5 per cent compared with 6.2 per cent.

Now go back 20 years, and the turnaround in Montreal's labour market is amazing. In June, 1987, the city's jobless rate was 10.2 per cent, while Toronto's was a comfortable 5.2 per cent. Even at the height of the last great boom, in the summer of 1988, Montreal still struggled with unemployment at 9.2 per cent, almost three times the 3.2-per-cent rate in Toronto.

Sure, Statscan uses a three-month moving average and smaller sample size to track unemployment in major cities, so there is a greater margin of error than with the national and provincial numbers. So what do the latter show? The same narrowing trend.

In fact, with unemployment at 6.5 per cent in Ontario and 6.9 per cent in Quebec in June, the labour markets of the two provinces have never been so in sync. That's obviously better news for Quebec than for its neighbour.

In 1977, for instance, unemployment in Ontario stood at 6 per cent. In Quebec, it exceeded 11 per cent. That five-percentage-point gap has, with some variation over the economic cycle, been shrinking steadily ever since.

This flies in the face of almost every economist's prediction that higher taxes, higher rates of unionization, a higher minimum wage (as a percentage of the average manufacturing wage) and a higher regulatory burden would serve as a brake on job growth and condemn Quebec to chronic double-digit rates of unemployment.

Of course, part of Quebec's most recent spurt in job growth is due to good 'ol politicking. Premier Jean Charest rushed to disburse a pay equity settlement with public sector workers smack dab during the March election campaign, putting $1.8-billion into the pockets of consumers, which has led to lineups at the cash register as women shoppers - the pay equity beneficiaries are all female - blow their windfall on kitchen renovations and summer outfits. Stores are hiring like crazy, offsetting the devastating impact of the near-parity CanBuck on export-dependent manufacturing jobs.

Still, the short-term boost from pay equity payouts doesn't account for the steadily shrinking unemployment gap between Canada's two biggest provinces. That phenomenon is decades in the making.

So what's behind it? The short answer is education. Four decades ago, fewer than half of working age Quebeckers had a high school diploma. Today, post-Quiet Revolution Quebeckers are among the best educated Canadians. In fact, in 2006, fully 69 per cent of Quebeckers between the ages of 25 and 44 had either a college or university degree, compared with 65 per cent of Ontarians, according to recent study by Université du Québec à Montréal economist Pierre Fortin.

The impact of higher education levels is borne out in the employment rate, or the percentage of Quebeckers of working age who have jobs. It stood at an all-time high of 61.1 per cent in June, within striking distance of Ontario's rate of 63.5 per cent.

Prof. Fortin notes that the employment rate among those between 25 and 54 - the age group that covers those who've finished schooling but haven't yet been tempted by early retirement - has actually converged in the two provinces, at about 80 per cent.

An aging population promises an even tighter labour market in Quebec in coming years, as the number of people entering the work force falls below the number leaving it. Eventually, though, demographic decline - and the slower economic growth it entails - could cancel out many of the gains Quebec's job market has made in recent years.

Still, there's no denying Quebec's labour market its due: It's come a long way, bébé.

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Great Article Lyle, Thanks for posting it. We need every bit of good news we can get.

But the last paragraph is what worries me the most...

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Eventually, though, demographic decline - and the slower economic growth it entails - could cancel out many of the gains Quebec's job market has made in recent years.
There are too many super-socialists in this province who don'T seem to care about this problem(that we will have to face in the next decade). It just passes 10 feet over their heads!

But like I said earlier, this is good news.

Notice how not too many people are talking about this in teh Canada section!?!? I wonder why!
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Cet article est une copie mot pour mot d'un texte de M. Piché je crois, sauf en anglais. L'auteur a juste ajouté un peu plus de détails sur le taux de chomage à Toronto.
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There are too many super-socialists in this province who don'T seem to care about this problem(that we will have to face in the next decade). It just passes 10 feet over their heads!
You don't have to be a conservative to have kids! My wife just called -- she's pregnant with another boy. That makes a centre, left and right wingers that I'll have on the ice in a couple years.
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Et je me demande pourquoi c'est une bonne nouvelle quand ça viens du canada anglais :p on a pas besoin d'eux pour se réconforter hehehe
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Cet article est une copie mot pour mot d'un texte de M. Piché je crois, sauf en anglais. L'auteur a juste ajouté un peu plus de détails sur le taux de chomage à Toronto.
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You don't have to be a conservative to have kids! My wife just called -- she's pregnant with another boy. That makes a centre, left and right wingers that I'll have on the ice in a couple years.
Congrats Lyle!

Well, seeing as last year we did have a mini babay boom, things might be headed in the right direction on that front, but we would have to not only sustain this level of births, but increase it some more!
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On peut avoir l'impression, par les temps qui courent, qu'il n'y en a que pour les faillites, les fermetures et les délocalisations.

C'est la faute aux Chinois, aux Indiens, à la mondialisation, et voici que même le Honduras se mêle de voler des jobs aux travailleurs québécois de Gildan!

Vrai, le Québec perd des emplois manufacturiers par milliers. C'est également le cas dans le reste du pays. Derrière les chiffres se profilent de véritables drames humains.

Mais il y a un revers à la médaille, sur lequel on n'insiste pas assez à mon avis. Pour chaque emploi perdu dans le manufacturier, il s'en crée un nouveau, et même plus, dans les services.

Et, contrairement à une opinion largement répandue, les emplois créés dans les services ne sont pas tous des jobines à temps partiel, au contraire.

La dernière enquête mensuelle de Statistique Canada, dont les résultats ont été publiés hier, montre que le marché québécois du travail n'a jamais été aussi robuste: le taux d'emploi atteint un sommet, le taux de chômage est à un creux historique, et le marché est dominé par les nouveaux emplois à temps complet.

Il y a une autre donnée qui mérite de retenir l'attention.

Traditionnellement, le chômage a toujours été plus élevé au Québec qu'en Ontario. Beaucoup plus élevé. Les spécialistes ont avancé toutes sortes d'explications pour interpréter cet écart.

L'Ontario part en effet avec certains atouts: concentration des emplois fédéraux dans la région d'Ottawa, présence massive de l'industrie automobile dans le sud de la province, fardeau réglementaire et fiscal moins contraignant qu'au Québec, aucune barrière linguistique avec le reste de l'Amérique du Nord, position centrale, meilleure productivité, qualité des infrastructures, et j'en passe.

Aujourd'hui, il faudra se creuser la tête pour trouver d'autres explications, parce que l'écart ne tient plus, ou si peu.

En juin, le taux de chômage au Québec se situait à 6,9%, contre 6,5% en Ontario.

La différence, quatre dixièmes de point de pourcentage, est la plus petite jamais observée. Au cours des 30 dernières années, le taux de chômage mensuel moyen, en Ontario, s'est situé à 7,5%, contre 10,6% au Québec.

L'écart mensuel moyen entre les deux provinces se situe à donc 3,1 points de pourcentage.

Ces chiffres ne nous disent pas seulement que le marché québécois du travail, en juin, réalise une performance exceptionnelle. Ils nous apprennent aussi que, sur une longue période, le Québec s'est amélioré beaucoup plus rapidement que l'Ontario.

Ce n'est pas tout.

Il peut être éclairant et instructif de mesurer et de comparer les écarts en points de pourcentage comme nous venons de le faire, mais cette démarche ne dit pas tout.

Pour avoir une meilleure idée des gains réalisés au Québec par rapport à l'Ontario depuis quelques années, il faut aussi exprimer la différence relative entre les deux provinces.

Pour cela, il ne faut plus parler de points de pourcentage, mais d'écart en pourcentage. Cela fait toute une différence.

Si votre taux de chômage passe de 6 à 8%, il n'a pas augmenté de 2%. Il a augmenté de deux points de pourcentage.

Une augmentation de 2%, par rapport à 6, nous donne 6,12%. Dans notre exemple, lorsque le taux de chômage passe de 6 à 8, l'augmentation en pourcentage n'est donc pas de 2%, mais bien de 33%.

Prenons deux provinces où les taux de chômage sont respectivement de 8 et 5%. L'écart est de trois points de pourcentage.

L'année suivante, le chômage a grimpé à 13% dans la première province et à 10% dans la deuxième. Exprimé en points de pourcentage, l'écart n'a pas bougé d'un iota: c'est toujours trois.

Pourtant, il saute aux yeux que la situation s'est dégradée beaucoup plus rapidement dans la deuxième province, où le taux de chômage a doublé.

Voyons comment cela s'applique au Québec et à l'Ontario.

En juin, comme nous l'avons vu, l'Ontario affichait un taux de chômage de 6,5%, contre 6,9% pour le Québec. Toutes proportions gardées, le chômage est donc de 6% plus élevé au Québec.

Et maintenant, ceci: au cours des 30 dernières années, entre les deux provinces, le taux de chômage mensuel a été en moyenne de 41% plus élevé au Québec.

Ce chiffre n'est qu'une moyenne. À certaines occasions, l'écart atteint des proportions énormes.

Ainsi, en juin 1989, alors que l'économie ontarienne était en pleine surchauffe, Statistique Canada observait un taux de chômage de 10% au Québec, contre seulement 4,7% en Ontario, une différence de 113%.

D'un point de vue québécois, c'est le pire écart jamais enregistré, et il fait partie d'une période particulièrement sombre pour le Québec.

À l'époque, pour étouffer l'inflation qui montrait de dangereux signes de reprise, la Banque du Canada a ralenti l'économie ontarienne en augmentant les taux d'intérêt.

Le Québec, qui ne montrait aucun signe de surchauffe ou d'inflation, a été durement touché. Ainsi, entre février 1988 et mai 1990, sur une période de 28 mois, l'écart entre les deux taux de chômage ne descendra jamais en bas de 75%.

Avec un écart de 6% en juin, on ne peut qu'apprécier l'ampleur du redressement
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