Elevated train lines and commercial corridors

[Larry King]

Are there any examples of a commercial corridor which thrives despite being under an elevated train line? is the noise and shadows of a train enough to kill a commercial corridor?

In Philadelphia we have two commercial districts (Kensington ave and W Market) under an elevated line that aren't exactly successful... I would like to see them revitalize one day.. wonder what that would look like

[nei]

NYC ones generally look ok:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=brook...113.89,,0,1.68

not the busiest but might be the time of day:

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=brook...179.06,,0,6.71

[Perklol]

^ You left out the #7 subway elevated stops in Queens.

[the urban politician]

Wabash St in Chicago's Loop is moderately successful

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Larry King

Are there any examples of a commercial corridor which thrives despite being under an elevated train line? is the noise and shadows of a train enough to kill a commercial corridor?

Pretty much all commercial corridors under NYC elevated lines are quite busy and thriving.

[Leo the Dog]

Boston replaced its El trains. Improved the appearance of the neighborhoods big time.

[mhays]

Seattle's 1962 monorail corridor from the CBD to the Space Needle does well. It's a growing residential/hotel/office area with scattered retail. But that's just a couple concrete beams that might be 4 feet wide each. And not much noise. And the monorail doesn't run late at night.

[Minato Ku]

Paris
There aren't a lot of elevated lines above streets in Paris but this doen't seems to have any impact.
Those boulevards are usually not the most commercial of the city but this is usually because of the lack of rentail space in the first floors of many buildings constructed during the second half of the 20th century.
I don't think that train had any effect on this.

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8495...gwRg!2e0?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8312...V6jA!2e0?hl=en

Barbes, example of a busy commercial corridor along an elevated line
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.8840...fF7Q!2e0?hl=en

[tdawg]

Absolutely. The area around my station in Astoria, Queens (Ditmars Blvd on the N/Q) is very bustling, almost acting as a mini-downtown.

[M II A II R II K]

How does the Wuppertal impact it's German streets....

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by M II A II R II K

How does the Wuppertal impact it's German streets....

I don't think the train there runs along a commercial corridor. That type of arrangement isn't super common in Germany, I don't think.

[Xelebes]

Vancouver's does well. Main Street and Terminal Avenue does well near the elevated Skytrain more than it does further from it (but that is near East Hastings so. . . )

I wonder how Edmonton's will turn out near Wagner.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

Vancouver's does well. Main Street and Terminal Avenue does well near the elevated Skytrain more than it does further from it (but that is near East Hastings so. . . )

I wonder how Edmonton's will turn out near Wagner.

I think we're discussing different things here. I take the question as considering retail corridors running directly below/along an elevated platform.

Obviously retail follows transit, but it's rare to have retail oriented along an elevated line.

[Xelebes]

Originally Posted by Crawford

I think we're discussing different things here. I take the question as considering retail corridors running directly below/along an elevated platform.

Obviously retail follows transit, but it's rare to have retail oriented along an elevated line.

No, I'm not talking of different things.

[Crawford]

Originally Posted by Xelebes

No, I'm not talking of different things.

Well, you mentioned Main Street & Terminal Ave. in Vancouver, and there is no such retail, hence my confusion.

I have never seen such retail anywhere in a new built transit line, as it would obviously make no sense. It's generally a relic of 19th century planning.

[harryc]

No problem here -
In the Loop


River North

[initiald]

Tokyo. Stuff on the right is under the elevated Yamanote line:
https://maps.google.com/?ll=35.70715...01.56,,0,-8.71

[The Chemist]

It seems to thrive pretty well on streets in Shanghai under the elevated lines here, of which there are quite a few. Line 3/4 is the only elevated line in the city centre, but segments of Line 1, 2, 5 (all elevated), 6, 8, 9, and 11 are all elevated further out and from what I've seen from the train the streets below them are pretty busy.

[EastSideHBG]

Originally Posted by Larry King

Are there any examples of a commercial corridor which thrives despite being under an elevated train line? is the noise and shadows of a train enough to kill a commercial corridor?

In Philadelphia we have two commercial districts (Kensington ave and W Market) under an elevated line that aren't exactly successful... I would like to see them revitalize one day.. wonder what that would look like

While smaller and an interesting mix because some of it is the back of the buildings on Main St. which do very well, I'd count Cresson St. in Manayunk also since some of the buildings do front Cresson.

[MonkeyRonin]

We don't have any elevated lines.