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[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by ScottyB

Great photo! Can someone identify the white car in the foreground?

1961 Dodge Polara. Rare beast.

https://transpressnz.blogspot.com/20...ge-polara.html

[Charlie_Noir]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Welcome to NLA, Charlie Noir.

I searched all afternoon yesterday and all I found was a corner of the roof. (that's Peter)


getty_images

I also fell in a rabbit hole - and I have to tell you Peter Ivers was quite an interesting character.

His cable show, New Wave Theater predated MTV by a few months and shortly before his death the show had gone national on the USA Network.
He attended Harvard and was arguably the world's best harmonica player. He wrote the song, 'In Heaven' for Lynch's Erasurehead in 1976.


Here's Ivers with a young David Lynch on his show, New Wave Theater..(date unknown)


dangerous-minds

His murder remains unsolved.
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Thank you for spending the day searching! Yes, Peter Ivers was a really fascinating guy and was surrounded by some interesting (and very strange) characters. I've been deep in the rabbit hole of his life and murder for a while now and for some reason got it in my mind I just had to see the downtown loft he was murdered in. I'm hoping someday to come across a picture of the building from the 70's or early 80's.

[Snix]

Thanks Godzilla
You're right! The Ralphs at Wilshire and Hauser was built as an Alpha Beta in the fall of 1994...

LAT 9.8.94
and was converted to a Ralphs the following summer. The Miracle Mile had one glorious Alpha Beta Christmas.

LAT 7.2.95

Originally Posted by Godzilla

FWIW, the Ralphs depicted above was initially an Alpha Beta store.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Beta

https://miraclemilela.com/the-miracl...-carousel-1116

[Noir_Noir]

Originally Posted by Charlie_Noir

Thank you for spending the day searching! Yes, Peter Ivers was a really fascinating guy and was surrounded by some interesting (and very strange) characters. I've been deep in the rabbit hole of his life and murder for a while now and for some reason got it in my mind I just had to see the downtown loft he was murdered in. I'm hoping someday to come across a picture of the building from the 70's or early 80's.

Hopefully your hopes will be realised. Getting there by small degrees.

This is the rear of 321 E. 3rd Street as seen in the film The Star Chamber, released in August 1983.



archive.org - The Star Chamber





In this second capture you can see a portion of the lower rear windows just to the right of Michael Douglas.



archive.org - The Star Chamber


Production and shooting apparently began in May 1982 so these shots likely come from a time that Peter Ivers was living in the building.

You can search on IMDB for other E. 3rd Street film and TV locations from the 1970s/early 80s.

You never know, T. J. Hooker or Jim Rockford might come up trumps for you.

[Scott Charles]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

You can search on IMDB for other E. 3rd Street film and TV locations from the 1970s/early 80s.

Noir_Noir, I've been mucking around on IMDB, but I just can't figure it out... how do you do a search by filming location?

[Noir_Noir]

Well this is what works for me Scott Charles.


Advanced Search -

https://www.imdb.com/search/title/


Expand the "Page topics" filter and choose "Locations" in the "Search within topic" box.

Then enter your location search queries in the box below that.





You can set a time range under "Release date" and any other filters you may want.


Hit Enter.

[Charlie_Noir]

Noir_Noir, I cannot believe you found that! I honestly cannot express how thankful I am. That is exactly how the building would have looked when Peter Ivers lived there (as you said), and it has surpassed my expectations. It looks even seedier than I imagined (and I imagined it looked pretty sleazy!).

I'm not sure what poor Peter was thinking living there at that time. Anyone with bad intentions would have seen him coming a mile away!

Also - thanks for the imdb tip. Funny enough, in the past when I was searching for old pictures and information about a DTLA building I found from imdb it was used in an old episode of Hill Street Blues. It was the Holland Hotel on 7th St. I've noticed lots of cool shots of DTLA in Hunter, TJ Hooker and wow are there ever a lot in Baretta!

Thank you again for finding these amazing pics of Peter's old building, you've made my day.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

The guy chasing Charlie Chaplin in the scene above is Eric Campbell. I remembered that Campbell had
died in an auto accident, but I never knew it was at Wilshire and Vermont:

December 21, 1917 Los Angeles Times @ LAPL

If he was eastbound on Wilshire in the westbound lanes, and the other car was going north on Vermont,
the accident must have happened right in front of this house:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=31448


Where was Eric Campbell going at 4:30AM?

According to the report, an inebriated Campbell had presumably left the Vernon County Club. His vehicle was traveling east on Wilshire in the oncoming lane at or near Vermont Ave. when the fatal accident occurred. His vehicle collided with a vehicle operated by W.A. Hollenbeck (of 1620 Maltman Avenue) ¶“Hollenbeck’s car was struck on the rear end by Campbell’s auto and both machines turned over. With Mr. Campbell was Miss Jean Crosby of 1207 Maryland Avenue and H.L.Schneiders of No. 1120 West Sixth Street. Both were thrown from the machine and severely cut and bruised.” “All of the injured party were treated at the Receiving Hospital by Police Surgeon Zorb.”


Another news report states: “Miss Jean Crosby, motion picture actress; left arm crushed and internal injuries. Harold Schneiders, magazine and scenario writer; sprained knee, seven ribs fractured.”

Still another report references "three women in the car with the actor." Including "Gene" Crosby of Brooklyn.



https://secure-images.rarenewspapers...1/image087.jpg





https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/bl...h630-p-k-no-nu





https://www.cable-car-guy.com/images...180112_001.jpg




Not that it would have prevented the accident, but was in 1917, was Wilshire and Vermont fully paved? Were there any traffic controls? Campbell was reportedly living in downtown LA at the LA Athletic Club. News reports differ as to the number of passengers in Campbell's vehicle, two, three or more? Was Jean/Gene Crosby’s residence in LA or Glendale - or Brooklyn? Schneiders’ residence was evidently in LA. Was Campbell dropping them off, or was this a traveling event? "Evidently," per the image below and its source, Miss Crosby had some Chaplin connection and she continued to act, post accident. Hiccup.

Gene Crosby (1890-1949)>> https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0188991/ (Notably appeared in "Mile-a-Minute Morgan" (1924))
https://photo.charliechaplin.com/ima...c_0114_big.jpg








Chaplin and Campbell, among others, on La Brea prior to the construction of Chaplin's studio.


"Left to right: Charles Chaplin, John Jasper, Henry Bergman, Carlyle Robinson, Eric Campbell, Albert Austin (in costume for How to Make Movies) and Sydney Chaplin during construction of Chaplin Studios" https://www.charliechaplin.com/en/ar...to-Make-Movies
https://photo.charliechaplin.com/ima...ies_2x_big.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZshz5rysgQ



Marker

https://images.findagrave.com/photos...mpbelleric.jpg

[ethereal_reality]

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Excellent post, Godzilla...I had forgotten all about the tragic fate of Eric Campbell - despite Tovanger 2's post, here.


.................................................IN MEMORY OF ERIC CAMPBELL.

.....................................................................1879 - 1917



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[riichkay]

Walter D. "Dootsie" Williams in front of his recording studio/record label HQ/family home at 9512-14 S. Central Ave....photo is undated but likely mid-late '50's.





gsv




A 1956 permit....










1950 census....











The following are excerpts from a mini-bio here......https://crownrecordsstory.wordpress....dooto-records/


DOOTSIE WILLIAMS (June 17, 1911–August 21, 1991))

Dootise Williams (birth name Walter D. Williams, Jr.) started life in Cleveland, Ohio but in 1918 his family moved to Black section of Los Angeles. By the 1940s Dootsie was the leader of the local Harlem Dukes Band & also part of Andy Kirk’s band.

In 1951 Dootsie founded Dootone Records on the front porch of his family’s house at 9512 South Central Ave.

Dootone hit pay dirt with a demo recording by the Penguins, a group of kids from Jefferson High School. The song was Earth Angel, written by one of the kids, and it became an instant hit when the demo was played on local radio.





In 1957 Dootsie changed the name of his label to Dooto Records to avoid a lawsuit from Duo-Tone Records.

The mid-1950s brought another major change to Dootsie’s record company when he signed a young comedian named Redd Foxx to a long term contract, releasing more than 50 LPs of Foxx’s risque comedy routines plus a slew of other releases of Black comedians performing similar “blue” material. Foxx eventually left Dootsie when he was cast in the Norman Lear TV series Sanford & Son but that didn’t stop Dootsie from re-releasing Foxx’s material to capitalize on the comedian’s crossover popularity....







In 1962 Williams entered a new era of his entrepreneurship when he created the Dooto Music Center at 13440 S Central Ave....




At that time the Chicago Defender called Dooto Records “the largest Negro-owned record label long before Motown was ever dreamed of” such an empire. Williams championed the “wealth of talent” among black people & had aspirations to branch into movies and more. The Dooto Center had a 1000 seat auditorium, recording studio and was able to broadcast live boxing events.


Dooto Records stopped releasing vinyl in 1975 but Dootsie Williams remained active in the Black community of Los Angeles until his death in 1991. Dootsie Williams, an innovative African-American Los Angeles entrepreneur and major contributor to the culture and recording industry of Los Angeles.




The Dooto Center was adjacent to the Sportsman Bowl, covered in 2016 by e_r here.....https://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum...%27s&page=1765

[Godzilla]

Redd Foxx productions was located at 933 N La Brea. Complete with a walk of fame, a la Grauman's. https://kookoocalifornia.blogspot.co...k-of-fame.html


https://images1.loopnet.com/i2/xBYss...to-1-Large.jpg


https://images1.loopnet.com/i2/uuD6x...Definition.jpg


https://live.staticflickr.com/3049/2...b379b0f69a.jpg

[riichkay]

I posted this Ed Ruscha image back in 2020, with the quip "Because, whenever I think of hair styling, the first name that always comes to mind is Redd Foxx".....7561 Sunset Blvd., August 1975

[ethereal_reality]

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Here is a rather astonishing cabinet card of the Residence of Baron Rogniat in East Los Angeles.


Currently on eBay

This perspective is new to NLA. Flyingwedge posted a different c-card back in 2018, here





The reverse of the cabinet card.


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[ProphetM]

I've just caught up after quite a long time (a couple years? not sure) away from the thread, and I just wanted to say thank you to all the folks who have continued to post and keep this thread alive and interesting!

I haven't got anything new to post right now, but here's an oldy that was posted here by e_r back in 2011. I hope that's long enough ago that a repeat is ok. There is a copy at Water and Power Associates as well.

The carriage is the Lafayette Hotel Stage, and we are looking north on Los Angeles Street (or Calle de la Zanja) south of the Plaza in the 1870s, possibly 1871:



On the left is the Arcadia Block (1859-1927); the Coronel Adobe is ahead, on the other side of the empty area known as Broad Place. The street to the right is Calle de los Negros. Peeking up above the right side of the Coronel Adobe is the south end of the Lugo House, and a large tree (probably on the plaza) can be seen above the left end of the adobe, partially blocked from view by the Arcadia Block.

[ethereal_reality]

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Welcome back, ProphetM.



Here's a supermarket we haven't seen often (if ever) on NLA.

Seller's description:.."CA California LA Los Angeles Alexander’s Market Grocery Store 35 MM Slide Photo"


eBay

Does anyone recognize this location?

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[ethereal_reality]

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Here's another mystery location slide from the same eBay seller.

"https://www.ebay.com/itm/31517300024...oAAOSwJTdl1tdY"



Despite the rooftop sign this one might be bit more difficult to solve.

Go forth! minions.


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[ProphetM]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Welcome back, ProphetM.



Here's a supermarket we haven't seen often (if ever) on NLA.

Seller's description:.."CA California LA Los Angeles Alexander’s Market Grocery Store 35 MM Slide Photo"


eBay

Does anyone recognize this location?

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Best guess - 1601 N. Vermont.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fkeJtPMCc6dMNh9n8
(The link above is in the parking lot inside the pony wall, because the street-based views are badly blocked by trees, buses, and homeless encampments on the sidewalk.)

I found a list of 1967 and 1970 Alexander's locations on this site:
https://www.groceteria.ca/board/view...hp?f=27&t=1192

I went through them all - most buildings are still there, and one of them has a tall sign like the one in the old photo (273 E. Gladstone, Azusa), but the one on Vermont seems to be the best match, with a short pony wall at the sidewalk and a high hill behind it (the Hollyhock House and grounds), which is *maybe* on the old photo - it's dark back there but it looks like a building or retaining wall on the left and a building poking up above the market on the right.

[ProphetM]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

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Here's another mystery location slide from the same eBay seller.

"https://www.ebay.com/itm/31517300024...oAAOSwJTdl1tdY"



Despite the rooftop sign this one might be bit more difficult to solve.

Go forth! minions.


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The most I can get out of that sign is The CO _ _ _ ALE APTS

And only maybe.

[Noir_Noir]

Nice work with deciphering the sign ProphetM, which led to the Lonsdale Apts. which led to this possibility.

At the bottom of the picture you can see part of an arrow sign for "Los Angeles Wallpaper".



rescarta.lapl.org


The first listing I see in the directories for the Lonsdale is 1930. Demolished in 1968.

I cannot locate a mention or picture in this thread so far.

[ProphetM]

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir

Nice work with deciphering the sign ProphetM, which led to the Lonsdale Apts. which led to this possibility.

At the bottom of the picture you can see part of an arrow sign for "Los Angeles Wallpaper".



rescarta.lapl.org


The first listing I see in the directories for the Lonsdale is 1930. Demolished in 1968.

I cannot locate a mention or picture in this thread so far.

That has a lot of potential, especially as I look through aerial photographs. Not definitive but a seemingly good match. However, why do the apartment numbers only go up to the 300s on a 6-story building?

The Los Angeles Wallpaper ad looks like it's on a bus bench to me, and I'm not sure that is an arrow on the right hand side. If it is pointing to the right, I would think that it is pointing to an address on Wilshire Blvd., not on Serrano.