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Old Posted Dec 22, 2012, 5:05 AM
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Is it just me, or does the photo BifRayRock posted of Gene Tunney look creepily like John Erik Hexum (who met an untimely end that may not have noir, but still icky)?
Photo of Gene Tunney http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/180/5248975.page
Photo of Jon Erik Hexum http://pdhexum.tripod.com/sitebuilde...g.w300h372.jpg
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2012, 6:55 AM
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Good Food with Jack Dempsy...

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Notes accompanying one or more photos suggest Jack Dempsey had more than a passing interest in the Hotel Barbara. He purchased it twice!



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http://www.lamag.com/citythink/timef...1/second-round

Source notes do not provide dates or locations, but above photos strongly suggest these Dempsey images are also from "his" Hotel Barbara in the early '30s.

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These are really some wonderful old photos. I wonder what the food was like at that hotel and what cuisine it was? Thanks for posting.
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Companies showering celebrities with luxury items for the promotional value, to keep or to borrow, is nothing new. While we've read about Jack Dempsey's Rolls-Royce and Chrysler Imperial here, and you can find pics of him online driving various other makes as well as vague references to him driving still others including the DuPont, the car he's driving here took me a while to positively identify. Zooming in on the wheel hub I found the fuzzy suggestion that it was the DuPont, a high-end make produced from 1919 to 1931 by an arm of the chemical company (which in the '20s famously owned GM, of which the DuPont car was not part); apparently only 600 were made during those years. I was surprised to find nowhere online identification of the car in these photos featuring Dempsey, but as far as such triumphs go I am happy to say I've managed to nail down the car: It's a 1929 DuPont Model G. And perhaps Jack took delivery of it through E. A. Van Trump, Jr. Inc.:


Los Angeles Times June 16, 1929


Van Trump would have been in the corner store in the photo below at right, although I see no signage in this shot the LAPL dates as 1929. More significantly, this pair of buildings, similar but not matching, is attributed to Morgan, Walls & Clements. I know it will never be 1929 again, and thank God for that in a about 1,000 ways, but I'd like to have on pikes the heads of those who decided to replace them with what is at the north corner of Wilshire and Oxford today....


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Notes accompanying one or more photos suggest Jack Dempsey had more than a passing interest in the Hotel Barbara. He purchased it twice!



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http://www.lamag.com/citythink/timef...1/second-round

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Is that the Stark of Stark's restaurant of fond memory in West Covina? Ate there a lot in the early 70's. All kinds of old-timers from the entertainment business would get up and do bits (mostly songs, some jokes).

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Old Posted Dec 22, 2012, 3:50 PM
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Is it just me, or does the photo BifRayRock posted of Gene Tunney look creepily like John Erik Hexum (who met an untimely end that may not have noir, but still icky)?
I think it fair to say Tunney took advantage of his photogeneity. I have heard it said that he bore a resemblance to the 35th US President, JFK.

Gene and Jack
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/gene-tunney

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Dec 4th, 1935, Hollywood, CA — H.G. Wells, the noted British writer and novelist, Gene Tunney, former heavyweight boxing champion, and Charlie Chaplin (left to right), at the party in Hollywood given for Wells by Chaplin
http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpre...328043acme.jpg

Umm. Rudolph Valentino and Gene Tunney - apparently getting camera ready.
http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/gene-tunney
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Companies showering celebrities with luxury items for the promotional value, to keep or to borrow, is nothing new. While we've read about Jack Dempsey's Rolls-Royce and Chrysler Imperial here, and you can find pics of him online driving various other makes as well as vague references to him driving still others including the DuPont, the car he's driving here took me a while to positively identify. Zooming in on the wheel hub I found the fuzzy suggestion that it was the DuPont, a high-end make produced from 1919 to 1931 by an arm of the chemical company (which in the '20s famously owned GM, of which the DuPont car was not part); apparently only 600 were made during those years. I was surprised to find nowhere online identification of the car in these photos featuring Dempsey, but as far as such triumphs go I am happy to say I've managed to nail down the car: It's a 1929 DuPont Model G. And perhaps Jack took delivery of it through E. A. Van Trump, Jr. Inc.:
Los Angeles Times June 16, 1929
Congratulations GWilshire for finding the make of this car...duPont.!


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I'm not sure I would park my car there, especially on a rainy day. Does anyone know where this parking lot was located?


found on an old cd of mine

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Murderer captured!


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I also found this article on the murder. It's noir from beginning to end.




http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6746,6389727

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The Colonial/Coral Sands Hotel/Motel, Hollywood

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1948:


1958:

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Now the Coral Sands:

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Some things never change, or not much anyway...


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I'm not sure I would park my car there, especially on a rainy day. Does anyone know where this parking lot was located?


found on an old cd of mine

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That's the Mission Apartments at Olive & 2nd st-- The corner reminds me of a great video we've seen before, always worth another look: A Drive Through Bunker Hill and Downtown Los Angeles, ca. 1940s


Another angle:

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Diamond Bob's 111-year-old Date Palms at the Plaza Hotel, Hollywood


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Col Robert Northam, called "Diamond Bob" for his extravagant tastes, made a fortune off real estate in Huntington Beach while working for Abel Stearns.
In 1901 he bought the block bordered by Hollywood, Vine, Selma and what-was-then Cosmo, of the original Hollywood tract, from Philo & Daeida Wilcox Beveridge.
Northam built a Spanish/Moorish home, surrounded by citrus trees and date palms, smack in the center of the block, facing east.
In 1902 he added another parcel, also acquired from the Beveridges, southeast of Vine and Selma where he built a barn and raised horses.
Less than two years later Diamond Bob moved on again, selling his Hollywood property to Jacob Stern (some accounts claim Northam lost the property to Stern in a bet).

Original Wilcox/Beveridge Hollywood tract:

hollywoodheritage.org

The original plans for the Northam home were more ambitious that what was actually built. (It was planned for Northam's first wife and finished for his second):

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Diamond Bob Northam's house with citrus trees and date palms facing Vine, ca 1901-03:
(the palms don't even have trunks yet, they're just sprays of fronds coming out of the ground)

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Northam-Stern estate, east front of house.
The palms have gained a bit of height., 1910:
(population of Hollywood: 5,000)

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Northam-Stern estate, 1920, showing the great arc of date palms (Hollywood & Vine, upper right):
(population of Hollywood: 100,000)

hollywoodphotos.com

2012. Compare with the shot immediately above. The site of the remaining palms was at the NE corner of the Northam-Stern house
(The site of the actual house is now a vacant lot. - 2017 UPDATE: it's a parking structure now):

google maps

Stern meant to keep the estate until retirement, but the crush of commercial development led him to rent his barn in 1913
to filmmakers LL Burns and Harry Revier who, in turn, sublet it later that same year, to Lasky, Goldfish (Goldwyn) and DeMille
of The Lasky Company/Famous Players (the deal was signed at the Alexandria Hotel, drawn up on Alexandria stationary).

DeMille signs on the dotted line for the Lasky Company, 1913:

hollywoodheritage

Northham-Stern estate, center left margin.
Famous Players/Paramount stretches along Sunset Blvd, east of Vine.
(including DeMille barn at SE corner, Vine and Selma), pre 1925

hollywoodphotos.com

In 1925, giving up all hope of a quiet life on Vine Street, Stern enthusiastically embraced real estate development
and built the Hollywood Plaza Hotel (Walker & Eisen, 1925) on Vine near Hollywood Blvd, carefully preserving
a stand of Diamond Bob's date palms to enhance an outdoor lounge plaza for guests at the rear of the building,
giving the hotel its name. The plaza was called Patio de las Palmas.

The extremely convenient hotel attracted a fabulous clientele.

Patio de las Palmas, 1925

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In 1931 the palm grove became The Russian Eagle Garden Cafe with an equally awesome roster of customers,
Greta Garbo always sitting at the same table.

The Russian Eagle Garden Cafe, 1931:

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Two palms were moved in 1952 to build a pool in the palm grove for guests.
(Palms have very shallow roots and are actually easy to move and replant. Their tap root grows back quickly)

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In 1973 the pool was filled in and the hotel converted to senior housing.
The building's owner, Robert Stern, grandson of Jacob, resisted
advice to grub out the palms for additional parking.
The date palms still stand, 50 to 60 feet tall and 111-years old.

2012:

googlemaps

Other 1920's development on the west side of Vine between Hollywood and Selma:
Vine Street Theater (Myron Hunt, 1926)
Dyas Specialty Emporium/The Broadway Hollywood (Frederick Rice Dorn, 1927)
Mom's/The Curb Charbroiler/Molly's (1928)

More info:
http://www.hollywoodheritage.org/museum/timeline.html

http://paradiseleased.wordpress.com/...-luxury-hotel/


http://historichuntingtonbeach.blogs...ch-hidden.html




UPDATE:

As of February 2017, the palms are still there and now 116 years old (here seen from Ivar):

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Col Robert Northram, called "Diamond Bob" for his extravagant tastes, made a fortune off real estate in Huntington Beach while working for Abel Stearns.
In 1901 he bought the block bordered by Hollywood, Vine, Selma and Ivar, of the original Hollywood tract, from Philo & Daeida Wilcox Beveridge.
Northram built a Spanish/Moorish home, surrounded by citrus trees and date palms, smack in the center of the block, facing east.
In 1902 he added another parcel, also acquired from the Beveridges, southeast of Vine and Selma where he built a barn and raised horses.
Less than two years later Diamond Bob moved on again, selling his Hollywood property to Jacob Stern.
What a neat story about the date palms, the old house and the hotel. Thanks.
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Always love a great palms story! Thanks!

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An in depth look at the lighting scheme of the Richfield Building.


from this wonderful book

http://www.amazon.com/Architecture-N.../dp/3791325876










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Seasonal-type greetings, ye merry Noirishers!

I was recently tricked into taking part in a little side project that involves spending a lot of time looking at this year's Christmas-themed television commercials. Twice now I've spotted vintage Los Angeles landmarks used for location shoots, and I thought I'd share them.

The first shows Santa walking among his prized collection of automobiles. Santa's "garage" has been somewhat modified by digital means, but it's still as gorgeous as it is recognizable.


[source: KABC Channel 7]


[source: KABC Channel 7]

The second shows throngs of excited holiday shoppers happily steaming into a magnificent retail store.


[source: KNBC Channel 4]


[source: KNBC Channel 4]

Hmm...I wonder why the art directors on these commercials didn't use some of the more recent architectural marvels around town?
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Hollywood & Highland plus Sunset & PCH

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below: Here is a wonderful photograph of Prospect Avenue before it was renamed Hollywood Boulevard.
You can clearly see the original Hollywood Hotel (with strawberry fields across the street).


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It has CC Pierce's stamp and his, or a staff member's, pencil notations about the location on the back, which is totally cool. I am thrilled to own an original CC Pierce print.

I actually bid on the CC Pierce photo below of campers at the mouth of Santa Monica Canyon (later Inceville, later still Sunset & PCH) but it went for $140.00!

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Seasonal-type greetings, ye merry Noirishers!

Hmm...I wonder why the art directors on these commercials didn't use some of the more recent architectural marvels around town?


Time to leave that man a thank you note:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...271803&df=all&

(Parkinson's revered in the UK as "the Brit who built LA".)
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