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Old Posted Aug 1, 2015, 5:12 PM
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Broadway Central Building / The Judson

Thanks! The pix are great.

This one shows clearly how room was found for the elevators:

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Old Posted Aug 1, 2015, 5:27 PM
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Broadway Central Bldg: Thanks for sharing your photos and observations on Downtown and its changes. Growing up for me, it was the place to go.

When I was a child mother and I took the streetcar Downtown for shopping and lunch. May Co., Broadway, Robinsons, etc. Pig n' Whistle and Clifton's. It was vibrant and crowded. The toy departments were memorable to a child.

We would visit friends of my grandmother on Bunker Hill.

When I was old enough I went by myself shopping and to the movies, at those big old movie palaces - endless carpets, crying rooms, beautiful decor, big balconies, and the big screens.

During the Summer, and Christmas, breaks from school my parents sent me to the Downtown Y, at 7th and Hope, for day long activities - exercise, swimming, field trips. Before and after the Y my friends and I would explore Downtown - the knife shops, music stores, books shops, coin shops, and pen shops and wander the department stores.

Along Spring Street was the financial area - banks, brokers, etc. Main Street had the, ummmm, colorful bars and burlesque houses, theaters showing Asian movies, and pawn shops.

As a teenager and later I would haunt the pawn shops looking for deals on guitars and amps.

One of my uncles was a Western Electric phone installer and worked in the big buildings, another was a diamond merchant and jewelry maker n the jewelry district and my grandfather owned a restaurant in the 1920s near present City Hall.

Later, as an adult I would travel to LA for business, and during downtime explore downtown. I'd show colleagues the Bradbury Bldg., take them for Mexican food in the Grand Central Market, and drinks at the Biltmore. Or to eat in Little Tokyo.

Despite being somewhat frayed and neglected Downtown was still a vibrant place, reflecting the needs of current LA residents, and now with an influx of new people with a vision of urban life and plans, it is changing again.
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There's a wealth of choices for a new name for Pershing Square.
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Basically, for me, anything but "Pershing", which memorializes an embarrassingly jingoistic episode. Not our finest hour.

I dunno, what name would you pick?

Nathan Masters on former name changes
I am not in favor of renaming public places ad infinitum or the current vogue
of making money off selling the name rights as USC is considering to do for the
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

I say, it's been that way about a century, so leave it Pershing Square.

I overheard a relative youngster recently saying they had just seen a movie at the TCL.
I wondered where that was until later it dawned on me he was talking about the TCL Chinese Theatre.

From Grauman's Chinese Theatre to Mann's Chinese Theatre to TCL Chinese Theatre.

Kodak Theatre to Dolby Theatre.

Did you guys know that awhile ago the city of Los Angeles was trying a program of
licensing advertising on the waste receptacles and other type things in the city public
parks? Trash cans and the like were adorned with posters for the new, at the time,
Yogi Bear film. It was not greeted with any enthusiasm.

One night at Dodger Stadium a movie company got the Dodgers to place a
strip at the bottom side of each "base" advertising their upcoming film. The
more players who got on base. The more advertising. I wonder if the people
operating the cameras were told to focus on those? It wouldn't surprise me.
Attending a game once I wondered why a small MasterCard advertisement
was in a really strange place in the stadium on a seemingly innocuous wall
near the visitor's bullpen. Until later in the year I was watching a game on TV
and noticed it all the time on the TV coverage. And I'm sure the way they're
spending money now it won't be long before Dodger Stadium is sold out to
be called something else like Farmer John Dodger Dog Stadium.

How about Noirish Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum?

NLA Chinese Theatre?
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Old Posted Aug 1, 2015, 6:52 PM
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Not to worry, you're talking to people who have spent many pages discussing a single palm tree.

Thanks for the wonderful pics!
I was going to say BCB, go ahead and "hijack" the thread and post away. (We all do it from time to time.) If YOU are interested in something, there's always someone else who is, too. We have a very eclectic group of people who are interested in various things and have the knowledge to comment on them or add fascinating information, both historical and personal.

All of us have our particular interests and I am pretty sure not everyone is interested in everything posted, but so what? It's what has made this thread go on and on. Sometimes, if something of lesser interest to me is being discussed, I get more interested in it because of the passion in which people are discussing it and I find myself getting involved.

So thank you ALL.
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How about Noirish Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum?
We already have one. This is the image I posted last year to celebrate 1000 pages.


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landing between 1st and 2nd floor:



This tile looks older to me than the rose colored marble in the lobby. I think it might be original.
That floor tile looks broken....probably from LA earthquakes, to the building settling over the years. It all adds to the ''maturity'' of the building as the Judson ads remark.

Love your photos BCB. We never get too much of anything really. There's always some of us who like any new discovery, no matter how ordinary it may appear.

New photos of something we haven't seen are always welcome.


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I keep track of the various plans to update the park. The driveways to the underground parking are a big problem though, as they have been since they were built.

There's a wealth of choices for a new name for Pershing Square. A nod to our deep history might be in order: Tongva Square or Yang-na Park (although Santa Monica opened their own Tongva Park last year). The name of the park that honored the 44 Pobladores has been changed to "Grand Park", which I find confusing, as we already have a Grand-Hope Park (those names are too generic anyway). I wouldn't mind "Pobladore Square". Governor de Neve might be a choice. He's the one that neatly side-stepped the Franciscans and got the mandate from the Spanish Crown back on track by founding our city. "de Neve Square" sounds good. I've long thought Dona Bernarda Ruiz should be remembered and honored. Her name would be an excellent choice. I'm sure others can think of many more.

Basically, for me, anything but "Pershing", which memorializes an embarrassingly jingoistic episode. Not our finest hour.


I dunno, what name would you pick?


Nathan Masters on former name changes
OMG, I'm in shock. Are people actually saying that "Pershing Sq." park might become ''people friendly'' again? Have the humanoids in City Hall lost their minds? What's happening?

Are they planning on having seating where you can sit under a shady tree and talk to people or have lunch? What kind of madness has infected the City Manager and municipal planners?
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1940s kodachrome slide.

Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades.


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I'm confused about the building(s) in the lower left corner that appear to be located on the east side of Roosevelt Highway (P.C.H.).
I'm not sure if it's one building or two.




Here's an enlargement to see the details better.



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Could this be a remnant of that building?


gsv



Or is that a remnant of this building?


http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...ta_Monica.html

kinda' confusing I know

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Old Posted Aug 1, 2015, 9:36 PM
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And from that same group of 1940s kodachrome slides, here is Marion Davies Santa Monica Beach House.



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Can you imagine this is just a beach house.

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I'm confused about the building(s) in the lower left corner that appear to be located on the east side of Roosevelt Highway (P.C.H.).
I'm not sure if it's one building or two.

Here's an enlargement to see the details better.



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Is this the same building? It's in the same location as the remnant in the GSV picture. USC have this image vaguely dated at "circa 1936/1958".


Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Here's the full picture.


USC Digital Library
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The Los Angeles Soap Company on 1st Street in 1884.
You can see the name of the company above the entryway on the right.




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'course we can go all the way back to the Montana Grocery store days...


Montana Grocery Store on the corner of Temple Street and Hill Street, November 1908


Photograph of Montana Grocery Store on the corner of Temple Street and Hill Street, November 1908. A sidewalk is visible in front of the two-story store along the two roads, although neither road is paved. A sign advertising Coca-Cola is legible in huge lettering on the side of the building, below the clapboard veneer. The sign for the grocery store itself advertises "Fresh Fruits, Cigars and Tobacco," and "Laundry Agency". Utility poles line the side of Hill Street. Trees are visible at the top in the background at the top of the hill at the intersection with Court Street.

USCdigital archive/Title Insurance and Trust / C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960


and we can then step across the street (Temple) turn around and take another snap...(here you get a nice sense of the second Los Angeles High School's location)


View of Hill Street looking north from Temple Street, Los Angeles, ca.1906

Photograph of a view of Hill Street looking north across Temple Street, Los Angeles, ca.1906. A man stands with his hands on his hips in the middle of Hill Street in the center foreground. The Montana Grocery is to his right and bears an advertisement for Western Star Soap. People walk along the sidewalk behind him. A wrought-iron fence stands in front of a two-story house further back, which is partially obscured by trees. In the background, the clock tower on Los Angeles High School on Fort Moore Hill can be seen. More Victorian-style residences line the street to the right. Utility poles enter the frame from the right foreground. The streets are apparently unpaved.

USCdigital archive/Title Insurance and Trust / C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960




Western Star Soap - 633 East First Street



March 17, 1899 - Los Angeles Soap Company building with personnel and John A. Forthmann Senior.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/12784/rec/87

















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It says "Forthmann & Bergin" (aka. the owners of the Los Angeles Soap Company). The USC description for the photo above reads:

Photograph of the Los Angeles Soap Company building, 1st Street, 1884. The stately, two-story brick building can be seen, at center. Seven men can be seen standing outside of the building. Three young boys can also be seen in the left foreground, sitting together on the sidewalk in front of the building. A portion of a church can be seen to the left of the building, and a note on the back of the photograph reads as follows: "Old Grace Methodist Episcopal Church on far left". Legible signs on the building include the following: "Forthmann and Bergin", "Los Angeles Soap Co.", and "Los Angeles Lith Co.".


Detail of photo at USC Digital Library


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Could this be a remnant of that building?


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That was once a motel, but I cannot remember the name of it just now. I'm sure it's come up on the thread.

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And oh my goodness, Marion Davies' beach house. It sure didn't look like the one I grew up in:

the daily mirror (more pix at the link)

The interior is very well documented on the web.

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I say, it's been that way about a century, so leave it Pershing Square.
I didn't mean to cause offense Martin. I was just hoping for a new name with some local meaning which has stood the test of time, rather than the latest craze. Pershing, a controversial figure in life, had many parks and squares named after him, including this one (not that it looks like this these days):

ephemeralnewyork

Paseo de Los Pobladores stood for fifty or sixty years before it was changed to "Grand Park" without any discussion I can recall just now

And, I, of course, do not want naming rights auctioned off. (That would be highly confusing if they did that with our streets!)

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No offense, just a small rant and I liked the article you linked about that as well.
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We already have one. This is the image I posted last year to celebrate 1000 pages.


Original photo from USC Digital Library
Thanks, HossC! That was worth seeing again!
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Sunspot Motel

The Sunspot (formerly Carl's) Motel is the one I was thinking of e_r. Could this be the ruin?


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hmmm....I don't think that's the building t2 (and the hill/cliff behind doesn't seem to match).
But it's good to see the Sunspot Motel.
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Four 'mystery' snapshot from Oct. 4 & 5, 1922. The seller mentioned the Hollywood Bowl area.


#1

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#2

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The following photograph is the most intriguing (to me anyway)

#3

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"Mrs. Hamilton Estate. -whole mtn."





#4

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for closer inspection:

#1




#2






#3 Mrs. Hamilton estate, whole mtn.


I'm hoping Mrs. Hamilton rings a bell for someone.





#4


Are the three "orbs" on top of the pole at left electric lights? -and I think I see a house in the valley.

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I believe this is pretty much the same view as photograph #2. Twenty-five years later!


posted about a month ago.


Here's #2 again.

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What do you think? pretty close?

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Is this the same building? It's in the same location as the remnant in the GSV picture. USC have this image vaguely dated at "circa 1936/1958".


Detail of picture in USC Digital Library
Yes, I think this could be the same building Hoss, some of the dimensions are similar. So what building is it?


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Is that rebar sticking out of the flat roof? I think it lost the second floor.
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1940s kodachrome slide.

Santa Monica, Pacific Palisades.


eBay

I'm confused about the building(s) in the lower left corner that appear to be located on the east side of Roosevelt Highway (P.C.H.).
I'm not sure if it's one building or two.




Here's an enlargement to see the details better.



eBay






Could this be a remnant of that building?


gsv



Or is that a remnant of this building?


http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...ta_Monica.html

kinda' confusing I know

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Ok, that Embit Scan dude (or dudette) is starting to get on my nerves. Just release all the great, fabulous LA color pix at once already and quit teasing!


But I do have some info on that ruin. It’s the remnant of the parking garage and glass-roofed pool for the ill fated The Gables beach club, built in 1926 and burned down in 1930. The garrage was started in 1928; planned as a 23 story tower- they made it to 3.

The garage was across the street built into the bluffs. It was unfinished, but used as a parking garage up to 1962 at least. The Gables, what was salvaged, became another beach club, The Sorrento.

Hoss C posted these great veiws here: http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=17793
along with its near neighbor The Deauville. The 3rd one down shows the garage under construction.

LAPL

unk

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UCLA




UCLA

UCLA

I walked past the site of the Gables/Sorrento in November (to and from Cary’s, and also popped in at Marion’s and Norma’s) and noticed this sidewalk tile. There’s one of those hideous pedestrian stairs there… It looks ye olde style at first, but I finally concluded the tile has to be new (new as in same time the overcrossing went in).

my photo

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