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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 8:58 PM
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I've yet to find an actual photograph of the house once at the NE corner of Norton and 7th. While it looks like Samuel K. Rindge and his wife may have moved into it a few years after it was built (apparently sometime between 1910 and '14; it was referred to as the Rindge's "new" house in a 1916 Times social note), they didn't stay long. Rindge seems to have been the family outlaw, suing the rest of his family over what else, money and property. Don't know when it was demolished, but the kitschy apartment building now on the lot was built in 1955.

LAT Jan 5, 1920

LAT March 3, 1920





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I've yet to find an actual photograph of the house once at the NE corner of Norton and 7th. While it looks like Samuel K. Rindge and his wife may have moved into it a few years after it was built (apparently sometime between 1910 and '14; it was referred to as the Rindge's "new" house in a 1916 Times social note), they didn't stay long. Rindge seems to have been the family outlaw, suing the rest of his family over what else, money and property. Don't know when it was demolished, but the kitschy apartment building now on the lot was built in 1955.

LAT Jan 5, 1920
According to Aerial Maps dot com.....the house has been removed as of their 1954 view. Its a vacant lot.
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After the soldiers visited NBC…(see above post):



…they also went up to Hollywood and Vine:

Taft Building on corner; part of the Brown Derby in background:

http://davelandblog.blogspot.com/201...d-canteen.html


http://davelandblog.blogspot.com/201...d-canteen.html

They visited this location, only noted as “around Hollywood” – anyone have any ideas -- perhaps the Hollywood Athletic Guild(?):


http://davelandblog.blogspot.com/201...d-canteen.html

And, of course, they visited the Hollywood Canteen:


http://davelandblog.blogspot.com/201...d-canteen.html

The Hollywood Canteen was located at 1451 Cahuenga Boulevard and was open from October 3, 1942 to Thanksgiving Day, 1945.

Waiting to get in:
Hollywood Photographs

Here’s Betty Hutton performing at the Hollywood Canteen:

Betty Hutton Estate

An interior shot:
Hollywood Photographs

In 1943, Bette Davis and makeup artist Perc Westmore help dress a soldier in drag. (?)

Hollywood Photographs

The dance floor:
Hollywood Photographs

How many shots like this one were taken during World War 2? Ninteen year old Fred Norman (r) and a friend in front of the Hollywood Canteen in 1944:
Jessica Pickens

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L.A. Times 1955

I always thought the Hollywood Canteen was on Cahuenga Boulevard.
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I've often seen conflicting addresses for the Hollywood Canteen.
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E_R, I didn’t see any replies to your query in this original post that you outlined in the Times article. It IS a mistake, but not the way it might have appeared. Yes, the Hollywood Canteen during World War II was on Cahuenga, but, until today, I didn’t know this: The Hollywood Canteen, located at the former Florentine Gardens at 5951 Hollywood Blvd. was used during the Korean conflict.

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As late as 1966 the original Hollywood Canteen was still there as the Le Grand Comedy nightclub:
Hollywood Photographs

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Old Posted Apr 25, 2014, 10:36 PM
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After the soldiers visited NBC…(see above post):


How many shots like this one were taken during World War 2? Ninteen year old Fred Norman (r) and a friend in front of the Hollywood Canteen in 1944:
Jessica Pickens
Read more about the Hollywood Canteen on Wiki:

Martin, you're really finding some great photos.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Canteen
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The NBC Studios on Sunset & Vine, as well as the Sunset & Vine area, has been featured in many posts on NLA.



I know this photo of the lobby mural has been posted before:

LAPL

I have also mentioned before that I’ve been looking for a color photo of the mural and, so far, no luck. It was painted by Ed Trumbull, while in his fifties, and it appears he painted many other murals in public buildings in San Francisco, Chicago and Philadelphia, among others, including the mural on the ceiling of the iconic Chrysler Building in New York City. (It was painted on canvas and cemented to the ceiling!) There’s also many photos of the murals, in color, too. That’s probably due to the fact that they are all still around. But, in my opinion, in the twenty-five year existence of the NBC Building, someone must have taken a photograph of this mural in color!

It dawned on me the other day that I have seen very few photos of this mural at all besides the one above. There’s more photos of Elizabeth Short, even one posted by E_R in front of this building! (Perhaps tourists or visitors were not allowed to take photos in the lobby?) I also have not discovered much at all written about this mural. (Does it have a name/title?) His other murals all have names and I haven’t even come across that bit of information about this one. I’ve even begun to wonder if the mural was painted in color at all, which might be why no one thought of taking a color photo of it. Perhaps?

Does anyone have any ideas where I could research this further, as I seem to run into a lot of brick walls while doing so. I admit feeling like I must be doing something wrong to keep being thwarted in this endeavor. Maybe NBC feels guilty for having destroyed this beautiful building and it’s lobby mural and has tried erasing it’s legacy, heh!

The demolition on NBC Radio City at Sunset and Vine was one of the most horrible things ever done in Los Angeles/Hollywood. Radio City was only about 26 years old when it was demolished! Had it survived, it would certainly have been preserved and restored, much as CBS Columbia Square is now, right down the street.

The building was the victim of the end of the Golden Age of Radio, the beginnings of TV, and the fact that NBC did not own a radio station in Los Angeles. It's been speculated that had NBC of owned a station in Los Angeles, the building might have survived.

NBC opted to move to Burbank and construct facilities dedicated to television and to focus on TV operations there, as the era of color television required more elaborate facilites than what Radio City could provide.

With reference to the mural once located in the lobby of NBC, it is my understanding that it survived after the building's demise. Apparently it was removed prior to the demolition of the building. I heard this many years ago. I have no clue if it still exists to this day, or if it does, where it might be. Perhaps an organization like Hollywood Heritage might shed further light on this. At least there's a glimmer of hope it still exists.

I've also never been able to confirm if it was done on canvas, or another material that allowed it to be removed from the building. Nor do I know if it was truly in color, but judging by the intricacy of the mural, I would say it was.

This fantastic mural was meant to portray the power of radio, the signals traveling to the far corners of the earth, communication between aircraft and ships at sea, and to the remotest places on earth. It also portrays the world of entertainment that radio provided, music, comedy, drama, sports, and news.
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Old Posted Apr 26, 2014, 12:43 AM
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A couple of days ago I posted a 1940 aerial picture of Lafayette Square. The aerial below shows the area slightly west. This one has "48" in the lower right corner and the Lafayette Square one has "49", so I assume they are part of a set which was taken at the same time. On the far left is the Red Car viaduct over Pico at San Vicente. FredH wrote about the viaduct in post #5381.


USC Digital Library

Just below center, the large white structure is Sears. The picture below is from 1939.


USC Digital Library

When I first saw the aerial shot, I thought there was some sort of race track to the left of Sears. When I zoomed in, I realized it was the Pico & Rimpau Loop. The curved structure with all the arches near the top left is the Plaza Market. Check out post #19202 to see the picture that e_r posted in January (they sold lutfisk there!).


Detail of aerial above.

The Pico & Rimpau Loop was used to transfer passengers between streetcars and buses. USC has several ground-level shots. The following three are all dated April 12, 1937.


USC Digital Library

A little closer.


USC Digital Library

And from the opposite direction.


USC Digital Library

The Ebay seller of this picture dates it at 1942.


Ebay

The area between Venice and Pico has now been redeveloped. Sears and the streetcar loop have made way for a Lowe's hardware store and a parking structure. There is still a small bus terminal next door. Google's 45 degree views all show the Lowe's building under construction (as do the ones on Bing). Some of the Streetview images and the overhead view (below) do show the new buildings.


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In researching the history of 4032 Wilshire Boulevard—an old friend here first brought to our attention by ER on Oct 12, 2011, and later identified by BRR—I made an interesting discovery.






LAT Sept 13, 1936


The finished remodeling differs from the Times rendering, but in any case it never occurred to me that the Streamlined medical office wasn't new construction.


Full story of 4032 Wilshire Boulevard: http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...e-see-our.html
Wow! What a pluck. Great job.
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A couple of days ago I posted a 1940 aerial picture of Lafayette Square. The aerial below shows the area slightly west. This one has "48" in the lower right corner and the Lafayette Square one has "49", so I assume they are part of a set which was taken at the same time. On the far left is the Red Car viaduct over Pico at San Vicente. FredH wrote about the viaduct in post #5381.


USC Digital Library

Just below center, the large white structure is Sears. The picture below is from 1939.


USC Digital Library

When I first saw the aerial shot, I thought there was some sort of race track to the left of Sears. When I zoomed in, I realized it was the Pico & Rimpau Loop. The curved structure with all the arches near the top left is the Plaza Market. Check out post #19202 to see the picture that e_r posted in January (they sold lutfisk there!).


Detail of aerial above.

The Pico & Rimpau Loop was used to transfer passengers between streetcars and buses. USC has several ground-level shots. The following three are all dated April 12, 1937.


USC Digital Library

A little closer.


USC Digital Library

And from the opposite direction.


USC Digital Library

The Ebay seller of this picture dates it at 1942.


Ebay

The area between Venice and Pico has now been redeveloped. Sears and the streetcar loop have made way for a Lowe's hardware store and a parking structure. There is still a small bus terminal next door. Google's 45 degree views all show the Lowe's building under construction (as do the ones on Bing). Some of the Streetview images and the overhead view (below) do show the new buildings.


Google Maps
I mentioned this a couple of yrs ago but,up til around 04..maybe later,the loop was very much intact along with the sears/home depot/builders surplus..right next to the loop was the sears auto shop,which was then builders surplus's garden section,they had the cool old green porcelain lamps (which i wanted to buy when they tore down the building but was out bidded) anyways for the longest the asphalt at the loop was in dire need of repair with a bunch of track crack/ track coming through...I was very surprised that the loop lasted as long as it did.
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I mentioned this a couple of yrs ago but,up til around 04..maybe later,the loop was very much intact along with the sears/home depot/builders surplus..right next to the loop was the sears auto shop,which was then builders surplus's garden section,they had the cool old green porcelain lamps (which i wanted to buy when they tore down the building but was out bidded) anyways for the longest the asphalt at the loop was in dire need of repair with a bunch of track crack/ track coming through...I was very surprised that the loop lasted as long as it did.
Google Earth shows quite a few aerials from around that time. They started clearing the area in 2004, they took down the Sears sometime in 2005, and the loop seems to have lasted into early 2006. Here's a shot from late 2003 before anything had been torn up:


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Edison Building 1957 Survey

I was doing some research on the Edison Building at 5th and Grand and I came across this site that has Historical Surveys in California. It's a rabbit hole of information!

For instance, this document from a 1957 survey (Bunker Hill study?) describes the Edison Building and it's architecture significance. It confirmed for me that 5th Place that ran in front was left over from when the Normal School blocked 5th Place:


But also mentions at the end about the Los Angeles People Mover project, and that the proposed route would go in front of the Edison (where 5th Place was, and the shops are now.)


It also includes survey photos:



http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/c...s/012233pv.jpg

Full document:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/c...ca1250data.pdf

There's a lot of other folders and I'm trying to make sense of them all. Some are in San Diego or San Francisco, so they're not just in Los Angeles. I have found a survey on a house on Bunker Hill. And a document on the Title Guarantee Building "Present Occupant: Largely vacant. There is a Thrifty drugstore at ground level and a few professional offices upstairs."

Sorry if this is a known source already. I've never seen them anywhere!
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Thanks, CityBoyDoug and radio63, for your further NBC Radio City info!

Across the street from NBC Radio City:

I happened to find a blog that, as the blog writer, who calls himself Pop Culture Fanboy, states, "contains gathered information about the history of Capitol Records" and related topics.

It's been mentioned on NLA previously that, before the iconic Capitol Records Building was built on Vine, Capitol Records had it's location at two previous addresses, 1483 Vine Street and 1507 Vine Street, which was above Wallich's Music City.

Below: Capitol's 1st office at 1483 Vine Street, Hollywood, CA. The entry is highlighted in blue. Detail from a photo by Otto Rothschild.



Below: Capitol's 2nd office at 1507 Vine Street, Hollywood, CA. The offices took up the entire 2nd floor above Glenn Wallichs' Music City. Detail from a photo by Gene Lester.



What interests me, too, is that there's an inclusive, clear and readable shot of the Coffee Dan's at 1511 North Vine Street.
(Call HOllywood 4-2290!)

And a related photo, below: This is the back of Music City from a proof by Sid Avery


Back of photo:


Here's a photo of the THIRD Capitol Records location, under construction, on Vine Street. Opened in 1956.



This image was taken after the ground level that contains the lobby and the recording studios was finished, but the top level and spire are still under construction and the protective louvres have yet to be installed.

I think this info is worth posting from the article:

Capitol Tower Facts and Figures:
* The Tower was Hollywood's first air-conditioned high-rise office building.
* The circular floors of the building are approximately 92 feet in diameter.
* The gross area is 93,000 square feet.
* The Tower is 150 feet tall
* The second floor has a diameter of only 78 feet to give the rest of the Tower the appearance of "floating."
* The 82 foot trilon spire atop the Tower is just for looks except during the holiday season, when it supports the strands of lights that turn the top of the Tower into an award-winning giant Christmas tree display.
* The Tower is 13 stories tall because that was the height limit in Los Angeles at the time for commercial buildings. Wallichs had wanted to build higher, and it was the one sour note of the construction experience for him when, the year after the Tower was completed, the ordinance was changed.
* There are 72 windows on each floor and the Tower's distinctive porcelain enameled louvres protect the glass area from excessive heat and glare of the sun.

[AND SOME CONTEMPORARY (1956) LEVITY!]

An article in the June, 1956 issue of Record and Sound Retailing listed "as a service to Capitol and a warning to gagsters" the following good-natured jokes that had already been heard too many times:

"It's round like a record, but what are they going to do if the industry changes to tape?"

"There are no squares in the Capitol Tower."

"You ought to put a coin machine in front of the building so tourists can drop in fifty cents and watch the Tower revolve."

"Secretaries are going to love the new building because their bosses can't corner them there!"

"I hear they're changing the speeds on the Freeway lanes behind the Capitol Tower to 78, 45, and 33 1/3 MPH!"

Song Publisher's Lament: "I went to Capitol and they gave me the run-around."

"We hear there's a huge record changer on the roof that ejects floors."

"After they put an Italian restaurant on the roof, they're going to call the building the Tower of Pizza."

"Now that the intersection of Hollywood and Vine has the ultra-modern Capitol Tower, the name's being changed to Hollywood and Vinyl."
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...rim shot!

Lots of other information HERE.

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Thanks, CityBoyDoug and radio63, for your further NBC Radio City info!


"Now that the intersection of Hollywood and Vine has the ultra-modern Capitol Tower, the name's being changed to Hollywood and Vinyl."
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Lots of other information HERE.
Great jokes Martin....mostly in the one-line Bob Hope style.

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The "Hollywood in Miniature" idea was the brainchild of Joe Pellkofer. [...] It shows 45 main blocks in Hollywood, including 450 buildings, all built to scale. Surrounding the entire city is a painted cyclorama mural of the Hollywood Hills and surrounding areas.

Originally, there were six miniatures: Hollywood, the Malibu film colony, a composite of the film studios of the day, Grauman's Chinese Theatre, the Hollywood Bowl and the Brown Derby.

[...]

Several of the photos of the miniatures were taken from an auction site from 2010 that indicates the highest bids were not accepted.
I did this post about these "Hollywood Miniatures" in January. In the most recent edition of the Hollywood Heritage Newsletter, I saw this item:

The Hollywood Heritage Museum archive collection includes artifacts and memorabilia from the early motion picture industry as well as of early Hollywood. This year it has grown by leaps and bounds. We will be adding the "City of Hollywood" miniatures, created by Joe Pellkofer in 1938, to our collection.

It doesn't say exactly when, but "good news!"
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I wasn't able to find a 1933 Los Angeles Clearing House Certificate, but here's one from 1907.


http://auction.archivesinternational...Note_i16209324

So how does a Clearing House Certificate work? Why use this instead of money...what's gained from doing so?

...sooo many questions.
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From what I can tell, pre-1913 "Clearing House Certificates" were basically not-exactly-legal credit IOUs backed by JP Morgan Chase to keep money flowing in the market during a banking crisis when everyone was trying to pull their cash out of the failing banks. When the Federal Reserve *legally* took over the job of maintaining market liquidity starting in 1913, it was basically the same thing, only backed by the US government instead of JP Morgan Chase. Unlike today where the Fed can just "print money" as the economy demands, back then we were still on the gold standard and every $20.67 in currency had to have one actual troy ounce of gold backing it up in a vault somewhere. Since the Fed couldn't pull gold out of a hat during financial crises, they couldn't print additional money, but it *could* authorize the printing of Clearing House Certificates as IOUs. As it happens, I don't think they ever used those 1933 certificates, choosing instead to devalue the US dollar by 40% by "adjusting" the gold standard to $35/oz in January 1934, which allowed them to print up and lend out an additional $14.33 worth of actual paper money for every ounce of gold they already had.
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Thank you for answering my question about the Clearing House Certificates jbange.
I really appreciate it.

I wonder what they did with all the certificates they didn't use (the ones that were already printed).
-no doubt they ended up in some incinerator.
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I was doing some research on the Edison Building at 5th and Grand and I came across this site that has Historical Surveys in California. It's a rabbit hole of information!


http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pnp/habshaer/c...s/012233pv.jpg
Impressive finds Sweet Los Angeles!

SLA, I've been trying to find out how the Edison Building is currently illuminated so I can compare it to the lighting scheme from 50 years ago.
(see below)


1964

slide/ebay


1964

ebay

You see, I can't drive downtown and look for myself. I'm in the midwest dag-nabbit'.
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NBC radio mural on Sunset and Vine

Originally posted by Martin Pal. 6553634

My observation,

Not really the idea on the NBC radio mural artist and the company. But why does this mural remind me of so strongly of communism? The theme and overall look and feel of it. Don't get me wrong, a similar mural I saw at the Empire State Building in Manhattan.


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SCB, you might have it confused with the Diego Rivera murals in Rockefeller Center.
From this vantage point there is no way one can see communism in it unless you've been preconditioned by other works in the same style.
-that said....D. Rivera's 1932/34 mural was in fact communistic. It featured a portrait of Lenin for heaven's sake...until it was painted over.
If anything, the NBC mural is homoerotic.



slide/1964

slide/ebay

I believe this eagle is from outside the American Airlines office on the northeast corner of Hollywood and Vinyl (oops...I meant Vine )


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Just an unremarkable shot of Wilshire Boulevard.

Looking west down Wilshire Boulevard between Wilton Place and Van Ness, 1960

(GW will know. Mystery photo for a day. Back tomorrow. (Nice little oval-windowed VW).)

As GW, below, has correctly (I believe) identified our proto-elusive 'unicorn' in only the second photograph that I've ever been able to find of it. How fitting that we're denied a clear view.

USC digital archive/Los Angeles Examiner Collection, 1920-1961

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Mural about the power of radio.....

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Originally posted by Martin Pal. 6553634

My observation,

Not really the idea on the NBC radio mural artist and the company. But why does this mural remind me of so strongly of communism? The theme and overall look and feel of it. Don't get me wrong, a similar mural I saw at the Empire State Building in Manhattan.


ER has some comments on this mural....as does SCB.

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