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FredH · #**23801** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 12:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by Lorendoc

I will point out thate_r's pictue #4 has what looks like "Maxwell's Cafe" posted as "out of bounds for service personnel." This dates the photo to no earlier than 1942 and no later than 1946.

A poster in the window can be read with some difficulty as advertising the presence of Kim Smilo on the Organ. The internet lists a Herman Kim Smilo (b. 5/14/18 d. 11/7/82) and various ads from the 50s state he was playing organs at various places in LA including the mob-owned Seven Seas Cafe. In an ad Kim put out, he mention that he was "sober and dependable," presumably qualities rarely seen in the places like the Maxwell Cafe shown in picture number four.

The Out of Bounds (downtown) area was primarily along Main between 3rd and 8th streets. I have a declassified list of these places...somewhere that i got from a FOIA request to the Army some years ago. I will look for it again, more to follow.

The reflection in the window looks like an early 1950's Buick (we used to have one).

This is a 1952:

http://s129.photobucket.com/user/fhi...eee12.jpg.html

Maybe the Out of Bounds list extended into the post-war years. Also, the other photos posted
by ER seem to have early to mid-1950's autos in them.

MichaelRyerson · #**23802** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 2:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by FredH

The reflection in the window looks like an early 1950's Buick (we used to have one).

Maybe the Out of Bounds list extended into the post-war years. Also, the other photos posted
by ER seem to have early to mid-1950's autos in them.

I think you're right. Does anyone know if Out of Bounds and Off Limits restrictions were re-instituted during the Korean War?

Earl Boebert · #**23803** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 2:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

I think you're right. Does anyone know if Out of Bounds and Off Limits restrictions were re-instituted during the Korean War?

Well, there was one place off limits outside San Antonio in 1962 (the notorious Eastside (IIRC) Country Club, venue of the equally notorious danseuse "Miss Wiggles") so I don't think they need a war to do it.

Cheers,

Earl

Lorendoc · #**23804** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 2:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

I think you're right. Does anyone know if Out of Bounds and Off Limits restrictions were re-instituted during the Korean War?

Nice pickup, FredH, on that car. There certainly was an out-of-bounds list during the Korean War. My impression is that places could petition the armed services to be dropped from the list, and that as a result, the list changed from time to time.

CityBoyDoug · #**23805** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 4:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Lorendoc

Not the first time I've been scooped by HossC

After spending 30 minutes digging through my non-existent filing system, I got my hands on that out of bounds list.

It dates from 1944 and includes:

"Maxwell Cafe, 214 West 3rd (LAPD Vice Officers say this is a pervert spot)"

I wonder if the place still exists. I like to visit off-limits places...one might meet interesting people there. Anyone want to go with me?

Listed in Martin Turnbull's blog:

''Maxwell’s – aka M Cocktail Lounge – 214 W.3rd St (1950s era)
By the late 1950s, despite continuing hostility and harassment of the LAPD, a number of gay establishments had sprung up: the House of Ivy, the Cherokee House, Maxwell’s, The Black Cat, the “356” bar downtown. Most gay bars had existed outside Los Angeles city limits where county sheriffs were traditionally far more tolerant.''

CityBoyDoug · #**23806** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 4:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

Well, there was one place off limits outside San Antonio in 1962 (the notorious Eastside (IIRC) Country Club, venue of the equally notorious danseuse "Miss Wiggles") so I don't think they need a war to do it.

Cheers,

Earl

wiki

I guess I missed this one....

Wig-Wag · #**23807** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 4:40 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

Well, there was one place off limits outside San Antonio in 1962 (the notorious Eastside (IIRC) Country Club, venue of the equally notorious danseuse "Miss Wiggles") so I don't think they need a war to do it.

Cheers,

Earl

With a Name Like Miss Wiggles I just had to research the lady!

Here for your viewing pleasure. . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzwYZ_Ul6m0

Cheers,
Jack

CityBoyDoug · #**23808** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 1:48 PM**

Not sure I want to live in one of these homes...

In the '94 quake, which was pretty severe, only one of these hillside homes came down, and the city had already warned the occupants that the house was unsafe. It was scheduled to be torn down. Sadly, the occupants, a young real estate agent and his girlfriend, were both killed when the house collapsed down the hillside. They were in bed when the quake began..

UPI photo file

ethereal_reality · #**23809** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 8:42 PM**

Those hillside homes on stilts are truly frightening CBD.

unknown parade in Los Angeles

ebay

below: I wonder what the giant P and K stand for? (and what's that to it's right..looks like a cartoon elf in blackface.

ebay

-the seller included this detail.

Chotiners. "building coming down."
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below: I just found this from earlier in the thread.

originally posted by flyingwedge (857 S. La Brea)

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17458

...but I'm looking for a Chotiner's that was located downtown.

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HossC · #**23810** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 9:27 PM**

The Chotiners' fine footwear business was at 551 S Broadway in 1921, but by 1926, Harry and Max had moved into investments and theatres.

LAPL

ethereal_reality · #**23811** Posted **Sep 24, 2014, 10:36 PM**

Thanks HossC. When I checked for Chotiners only the 1936 directory came up.

originally posted by 3940dxer

photo by David (3940dxer)

David's photographs got me thinking about the building across the street.

Here's the Olive Motel's unique layout in green / the building in question in red.

google_earth

Here it is.

GSV

I always thought this was an old Department of Water & Power Building.

cinemascope55 at https://www.flickr.com/

-and in 1980.

old file of mine

and covered in vines by 2006.

It's actually the old Pacific Electric Olive Substation and repair shop dating back to 1905.*

https://www.flickr.com/photos/waltar...ream/lightbox/

Today it houses the offices of Epitaph Records.

*It's hard to believe we haven't covered this building on NLA, but I searched and searched using multiple key words and couldn't find any previous posts.
(I know we covered the Ivy Substation on Venice Boulevard in Culver City)
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HenryHuntington · #**23812** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 12:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

streetcar #3004, 1958

ebay

So is that Whittier Blvd. behind the streetcar? The little trolley-stop looks interesting..mostly open-air.

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Actually, we're looking north at W. 3rd St. LATL 3004 is on private right-of-way that once ran to 6th St. between Gramercy Pl. and Wilton Pl. After the passenger boards, the car will be backed out onto 3rd St. to begin its journey through Downtown to New Calvary Cemetery.

ethereal_reality · #**23813** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 12:58 AM**

Thanks HenryHuntington, very interesting details.
I'm pretty amazed that you know this. -very..very impressive.
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All the following photographs are from 1957.

I can't quite make out the cafe's name.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/

Luie's Garage.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/

This is interesting...taken through the 'porthole' window.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/

above: At first glance I thought the business at left was a car dealership.

repairs. no porthole windows on this utility car.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/

I spy a 7Up sign and a large venue (apartment building?) at far left.

El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/

wide open spaces...looks like Oklahoma.

El Corbador at https://www.flickr.com/

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HossC · #**23814** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 1:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by FredH

A couple weeks ago, ER found this great series of aerial photos from the 1930's. I noticed something interesting in this one that shows Union Station.

Just north of Union Station is a small housing tract I never noticed before. Does anyone have any information about this area?

http://ctr.trains.com/~/media/Files/...930s%20BEV.pdf

I originally saved the map below after I found a picture of James Cuzner's house on S Harvard Boulevard in the USC library. Luckily, I searched NLA before doing too much more research, and found that Flyingwedge had beaten me to it in post #19399. The residential area in question is the Kerckhoff Cuzner tract, which was right next to the Kerckhoff Cuzner lumber mill. Back in 1921, there was also housing to the east of Date Street (in reality, Alameda is almost north/south at this location), most of which got taken out when Union Station was built.

www.historicmapworks.com

The street layout to the west of the rail tracks is still recognizable on this 1948 aerial, even though there have been several changes. Probably the biggest changes are removal of most of the industry (the Oil Well Supply Co and the Kerckhoff Cuzner lumber mill), and the appearance of the Terminal Annex building. Rosabelle, Elizabeth and Augusta Streets are still visible, but Date Street has been severly truncated. Access to the area is now from Alameda via Bauchet Street, which previously only went east from Date Street.

Historic Aerials

Just four years later, and all the housing has gone. The old streets can still be seen, but they just have parking lots between them.

Historic Aerials

Looking at the current view, Bauchet Street has been slightly realigned to meet the intersection of Alameda and Main Streets. Rosabell and Augusta Streets still exist, although pretty much in name only. All other traces of residential streets and houses have gone.

Google Maps

I haven't come across many references to this area. The clipping below is from the October 2, 1905 edition of the Los Angeles Herald, and gives notice of sewer construction around Augusta Street.

California Digital Newspaper Collection

Slightly off the original topic, but USC have this picture described as the "Oldest date palm in the city of Los Angeles on Date Street, ca.1888". Given the age, I'd guess we're talking about the same Date Street.

USC Digital Library

ethereal_reality · #**23815** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 1:33 AM**

Po and Wing

ebay

Old Chinatown, Los Angeles 1900s.
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Retired_in_Texas · #**23816** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 1:43 AM**

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

-put a radio in your car.

Los Angeles 1939

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Hmmm....so when did car manufacturers begin to put radios in their cars? It's something I never pondered before.
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1930: First Commercial In-Car Radio

The Galvin brothers’ expensive $130 unit (a Model A Deluxe coupe cost $540) was the first commercially successful car radio, and the first product to wear the Motorola name.

ethereal_reality · #**23817** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 2:02 AM**

A little over a week ago I posted this slide of the Shrine Auditorium in the 1950s.

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Albany_NY was kind enough to identify the cars in the parking lot:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23703
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Here are the three remaining slides from this extraordinary series.

ebay

-looking east on Sunset from near Vine.

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-west side of Vine below Hollywood Blvd.

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Is that James Dean's silver Spider?

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Lorendoc · #**23818** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 2:51 AM**

I have been experimenting with Google Maps, with mediocre results.

The push pins indicate out-of-bounds venues in 1945 according to the Department of the Navy. I think there may be a way to embed this map; that way when you hover over the push pin, you get the place's address.

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Re: the series of Red Car photos e_r posted rang a bell. Didn't the thread have a video of the Red Car's last run through Watts to Long Beach? I remember the oversaturated reds and blues were similar to the photos.

The 1956 CD has Luie's Garage at 10614 S Graham.

CityBoyDoug · #**23819** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 4:06 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc

I have been experimenting with Google Maps, with mediocre results.

The push pins indicate out-of-bounds venues in 1945 according to the Department of the Navy. I think there may be a way to embed this map; that way when you hover over the push pin, you get the place's address.

--
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Re: the series of Red Car photos e_r posted rang a bell. Didn't the thread have a video of the Red Car's last run through Watts to Long Beach? I remember the oversaturated reds and blues were similar to the photos.

The 1956 CD has Luie's Garage at 10614 S Graham.

Skidrow Spots Out Of Bounds

LOS ANGELES..January 1945 (UP) — Skidrow "joy joints'" were really put on the skids last week as the shore patrol hung more than 54 "Out of Bounds" signs in an attempt to bring a halt to crimes, diseases and other conditions affecting the health and welfare of Navy personnel. According to Comdr. C. H. Fogg, head of the Los Angeles shore patrol, over 700 crimes involving money and property of sailors and Marines and amounting to over $40,000 have occurred during the last several months. "We are taking this measure as a security precaution as well," Fogg said. "An intoxicated man off a combat vessel or just returned from overseas may reveal information and is a danger to his shipmates."

FredH · #**23820** Posted **Sep 25, 2014, 4:25 AM**

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Originally Posted by HossC

Slightly off the original topic, but USC have this picture described as the "Oldest date palm in the city of Los Angeles on Date Street, ca.1888". Given the age, I'd guess we're talking about the same Date Street.

USC Digital Library

Wow! Thanks for all the info on that area near Union Station. Amazing!

Hey HossC: Any chance this is the date tree? I may be on the wrong street (as usual).

http://ctr.trains.com/~/media/Files/...930s%20BEV.pdf

Again, thanks for the great research.